Matrix Games

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Take in to account also that Steam take 30%

The games Steam sell are digital products.
Those products are already made,...so no large cost for development.
Selling a digital product after it has been created/finished/patched costs next to nothing, since their is no physical storage, shipping and no production/development required.
These facts mean that 30% of a few sales is almost all profit, while 100% of nothing is always nothing.
This is also the reason why some are miffed about prices rarely going down. Getting many more sales at a reduced price (and mostly profit) is better than not getting the sales because the price is never reduced.

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Regarding comparisons to Steam, while I also use Steam, it's worth noting that all of our games are DRM-free. As long as you download them once (or get the physical copy) and store the file and the serial number, there's nothing else you need from us. If Matrix disappears (hopefully not!) in the future, it won't matter as long as you keep your copies in a place where you can find them. I still have my boxed games for my Apple II+ in the basement, so it's not that hard. I can't say the same for all my Steam games.

Regards,

- Erik

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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I enjoy using Steam. It's essentially almost a one stop shop - and does have some great deals. I'm by no means a lover of it - but it suits my purpose.

What I would say though is the Matrix system is somewhat flawed. The transition from Digital River to Plimus was meant to be (and on the surface seemed to be) a good thing for us. As is, I'm not entirely sure how I can re-download a game I purchased should I have to and in fact cannot (and have never been able to) get the details of a game

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

I find it fascinating that NWS is able to sell physical copies for lesser prices than Matrix sells downloads. Is it because of the redownloading thing?

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I enjoy using Steam. It's essentially almost a one stop shop - and does have some great deals. I'm by no means a lover of it - but it suits my purpose.

What I would say though is the Matrix system is somewhat flawed. The transition from Digital River to Plimus was meant to be (and on the surface seemed to be) a good thing for us. As is, I'm not entirely sure how I can re-download a game I purchased should I have to and in fact cannot (and have never been able to) get the details of a game

I would look at the option to re-download games as a "perk" not an entitlement. Once you own a game you should be responsible enough to maintain the existence of your copy. Order a physical copy as I do. I still DL the game and play on the spot but I also have that magical thing called a "backup" when I lose my HD. I'm sure it costs matrix money to maintain order histories and everything to facilitate redownloading of games. Be happy the option exists at all.

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ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

Take in to account also that Steam take 30%

The games Steam sell are digital products.
Those products are already made,...so no large cost for development.
Selling a digital product after it has been created/finished/patched costs next to nothing, since their is no physical storage, shipping and no production/development required.
These facts mean that 30% of a few sales is almost all profit, while 100% of nothing is always nothing.
This is also the reason why some are miffed about prices rarely going down. Getting many more sales at a reduced price (and mostly profit) is better than not getting the sales because the price is never reduced.

But part of the problem is that once you get on steam, many people will expect all your future games to show up too. Lets say you finally get Steam to accept wargame X. Its an amazing game that garnered awards up the yinyang.It shows up on steam at a low price(let's say 19.99) Few bite, maybe a 1k or so because most who frequent Steam can't get a handle on it.The grogs already own it. Then Steam has their inevitable mini sale of your game and the price hits 3 bucks, or thereabouts. Some more buy it...Lets say 4-6K.
For the company making it its great. Thats more than they would make than if they sold it on their site. Everyone is happy. Except for Steam...... To them that 4-6k at 30% is not worth the hassle..They want 30k+ sellers..They don't want the next game. But customers now expect the company to sell their games at Steam prices or else...Customers are fickle...Sure the grogs who have been there all along will buy but not Johnny Newbie. He is off to the next shiny thing.

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ORIGINAL: wodin

If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?

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The steam forums were hacked last saturday, and now it seems the hackers also gained access to Steam itself and were able to access user names, email addresses, hashed passwords, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information.

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ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

You would practically have to give away one of your big sellers to get Steam to bite on a deal. And then you would have to hope the future doses are as good and as cheap.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

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ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

You would practically have to give away one of your big sellers to get Steam to bite on a deal. And then you would have to hope the future doses are as good and as cheap.

So, Steam is basically devaluating games in eyes of its customers?

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: wodin

If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?

Steam is just a delivery method.

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ORIGINAL: martok

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: wodin

If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?

Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

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ORIGINAL: martok

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: wodin

If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?

Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.

Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.

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ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

This discussion has run out of steam..........

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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

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ORIGINAL: martok

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: wodin

If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?

Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.

Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.

But it is not the same one, the one I've seen all over the place in India is a mirror of the nazi one.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

I find it fascinating that NWS is able to sell physical copies for lesser prices than Matrix sells downloads. Is it because of the redownloading thing?

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

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ORIGINAL: martok

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: wodin

If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?

Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.

Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

The serial number issue is one we're addressing. You no longer have to enter serials for patches - it looks them up and auto enters them for you. New patches will have this easier to use system. We could even skip the step completely if it detects a valid serial.

On the Steam argyuments we're not convionced that the Steam audience is a good match for the majority of the catalogue. Take in to account also that Steam take 30%, you have to customise your code to use their system which is a significant amount of work for the number of games we're talking about and Steam absolutely require you to slash your prices. Overall you have to sell a lot more copies to just stand still in terms of revenues. It is not teh alm dunk that everyone thinks it is. It also fragments the community which has an intagible cost but something we are very aware of and reluctant to do.

Another thing to bear in mind is Steam get 200 submissions a week and only 1 person allocated to review them. I'd guess only about 1% of the games people try to get on steam actually get on steam. The vast majority are never looked at or rejected. I'm guessing the majority of our line up would slide to the "dont even review category :)"

Having said all this it may be something we trial at some point. Never say never!

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ORIGINAL: Goragg

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

The serial number issue is one we're addressing. You no longer have to enter serials for patches - it looks them up and auto enters them for you. New patches will have this easier to use system. We could even skip the step completely if it detects a valid serial.

On the Steam argyuments we're not convionced that the Steam audience is a good match for the majority of the catalogue. Take in to account also that Steam take 30%, you have to customise your code to use their system which is a significant amount of work for the number of games we're talking about and Steam absolutely require you to slash your prices. Overall you have to sell a lot more copies to just stand still in terms of revenues. It is not teh alm dunk that everyone thinks it is. It also fragments the community which has an intagible cost but something we are very aware of and reluctant to do.

Another thing to bear in mind is Steam get 200 submissions a week and only 1 person allocated to review them. I'd guess only about 1% of the games people try to get on steam actually get on steam. The vast majority are never looked at or rejected. I'm guessing the majority of our line up would slide to the "dont even review category :)"

Having said all this it may be something we trial at some point. Never say never!

Thank you!

That explains a lot. I can see the reluctance now and understand why. I also see that the potential may be there in the future.

I will continue to window shop and who knows one day I may take the risk.

I keep hoping to see ASL in computer form and if anyone would have it I thought Matrix would.

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ORIGINAL: Hentzau

Steam is so yesterday, Storm Powered is the way to go. LMAO

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ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

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ORIGINAL: Hentzau

Steam is so yesterday, Storm Powered is the way to go. LMAO

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !

I wish them luck......But I won't be visiting anytime soon......