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Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 1:35:40 AM   
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I searched the forum and found some unhappy players when it come sto Steam.

Personally I have had an excellent experience. So much so that I won;t buy digitl versions anywhere else.

I have also come to disdain physical media as cumbursome and annoying.

Any chance Matrix will be selling on Steam in the future?
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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 2:30:24 AM   
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Very unlikely - Steam would not be interested in these type of games. They only want cheap mass-market games. Can you imagine War in the East at $80 :) It just wouldn't happen.

So you'd have to buy direct from us. However we have a very simple serial number system that means none of the hassle of remembering account details etc. Once you buy the game you own it and can install as often as you like and download it again later.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 11:30:50 AM   
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^ Whilst your system is by far the least intrusive, what I would like to see is no need to enter the serial number again for a patch - it's not like you can't get the serial number - you do store it on the system (I'm sure I saw it in the Registry)...so remove that requirement and it's really the least intrusive, least annoying, least cumbersome and most intelligent system out there.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 12:08:11 PM   
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^ Whilst your system is by far the least intrusive, what I would like to see is no need to enter the serial number again for a patch - it's not like you can't get the serial number - you do store it on the system (I'm sure I saw it in the Registry)...so remove that requirement and it's really the least intrusive, least annoying, least cumbersome and most intelligent system out there.



Perhaps it is only with recent games, or depending on how your rig is set up, but I have noticed that the serial number is already entered when I install patches. I have not needed to re enter serial numbers for Panzer Corps, all AGEOD titles, and a couple of other games for some time.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 12:16:53 PM   
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That's interesting - because I always have to go to my serial text file and find the game, copy the serial and paste into the game installer...ALWAYS...for as long as I've bought games from Matrix - and most recently was for Panzer Corps.

And I'm not entirely sure how I would setup my computer to prevent/allow the serial number to be retreived

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 12:28:26 PM   
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I never knowingly changed anything on my pc to allow this to happen and always presumed that the update installer was now simply finding the serial number in the main game folder and pasting it in on its own....

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 12:47:50 PM   
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My experience is the same as JudgeDredd's. I have to input the serial # for pretty much every patch.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 1:00:22 PM   
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Either of you using Windows 7? I am and maybe it is inherent in the OS...

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 1:29:05 PM   
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Dear Matrix,

Please never, ever I repeat NEVER consider using steam for your games!

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 2:06:43 PM   
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I use Windows 7 - but this has been an irritating issue (albeit a very small one) for me since I started buying games - so all through my XP days too.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 2:10:41 PM   
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Well then I'm flummoxed as to why my serial numbers are automatically inserted.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 2:11:16 PM   
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Dear Matrix,

Please never, ever I repeat NEVER consider using steam for your games!

As mentioned, the likelihood is not there anyway because of the games being sold here...

However, I presume you mean "Please never, ever I repeat NEVER consider SOLELY using steam for your games!" because using it as an additional outlet wouldn't really affect you or any other steam "haters" and may well do the company (and it's developers) some good - at the very least with exposure. There seem to be plenty of indy developers games on Steam - priced low but still getting their name and product out there.

Anyway - as Iain alluded to - it's a moot point...Steam would not be interested.


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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 3:17:25 PM   
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Well then I'm flummoxed as to why my serial numbers are automatically inserted.


Do you use the update option in the program, or do you download the patch and install manually?

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 3:25:57 PM   
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I download and install the patch manually

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 4:45:40 PM   
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I download and install the patch manually


When I do that, I have to insert the serial number. When I let the program check for updates I don't have to. It's all done for me...At least on the ones that I've used the automatic updates on!!

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 5:12:18 PM   
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oh - well there you go. I haven't used the updater on the game menu for ages - last time I used it was quite a few years ago and I'm it didn't work (I think it was something to do with being in the UK).

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 7:08:15 PM   
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I update manually all the time....could it be whether or not one has the save password security feature active or not? I allow Windows 7 to save my passwords so perhaps serial numbers fall into that group.....

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 8:13:00 PM   
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Dear Matrix,

Please never, ever I repeat NEVER consider using steam for your games!


What he said! Please, no steam for Matrix!

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 10:54:38 PM   
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Without going into the old argument about steam itself,....... I will say that those who dont wish to use steam should do that,...and stop trying to prevent others from being able to use it. If you want to sit on the porch in your rocking chair talking about how great the "goold ole days" were, thats fine,...but please dont try and imprison those of us who dont mind living in the modern world there with you. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you should try to prevent others from using it.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/9/2011 11:16:15 PM   
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That is unfortunate.

I bought the complete Paradox collection off Steam.

This includes such powerhouse titles as Hearts Of Iron, Victoria, Europa Universalis, Mount and Blade etc

Many of these title are far from 'top shelf'

The indie stuff is often much worse quality.

If your response is based on attempting and being tols no by Steam I understand but if you haven't tried...



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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 12:33:55 AM   
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Without going into the old argument about steam itself,....... I will say that those who dont wish to use steam should do that,...and stop trying to prevent others from being able to use it. If you want to sit on the porch in your rocking chair talking about how great the "goold ole days" were, thats fine,...but please dont try and imprison those of us who dont mind living in the modern world there with you. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you should try to prevent others from using it.


Here's the bottom line to this debate.....if you have a choice, why on earth would you want to have an internet connected game installer on your pc, if you can have the ability to simply download the setup files for a game, and install them anywhere you want whether you are connected to the internet or not (a 'la Matrix)? I understand that if there is a particular title you want, and it is only available via Steam, then go ahead and buy it. But to request a gaming company to abandon their simple install approach and go the Steam route makes absolutely no sense, unless you are employed by Steam of course......

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 1:05:51 AM   
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I wouldn't mind seeing one or two older back catalog titles from Matrix appearing on Steam as a proof of concept. Most of my high end gaming is through Steam now; though I wait for the holiday sales to rack up my game count -- I recently got Ghostbusters The Video Game for about $3 bucks; and got my money's worth out of it.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 1:06:23 AM   
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Without going into the old argument about steam itself,....... I will say that those who dont wish to use steam should do that,...and stop trying to prevent others from being able to use it. If you want to sit on the porch in your rocking chair talking about how great the "goold ole days" were, thats fine,...but please dont try and imprison those of us who dont mind living in the modern world there with you. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you should try to prevent others from using it.


Here's the bottom line to this debate.....if you have a choice, why on earth would you want to have an internet connected game installer on your pc, if you can have the ability to simply download the setup files for a game, and install them anywhere you want whether you are connected to the internet or not (a 'la Matrix)? I understand that if there is a particular title you want, and it is only available via Steam, then go ahead and buy it. But to request a gaming company to abandon their simple install approach and go the Steam route makes absolutely no sense, unless you are employed by Steam of course......


I don't remember asking Matrix to stop selling the way they do now.

I asked for a 'choice'.

I prefer a single provider of digital licensing. I don't want to have mutiple logins or serial numbers to save somehwere and then have to remember where I put them a year later. I don't want media that can be lost or damaged. I want to restore my pc or buy a new one and logn then install all my games. This is the conveniance steam supplies. I also get patches managed and updated by steam. I can play online or offline and communicate with other players. I also love that fact the game store is on my pc and in one place.

Yes Matrix games are expensive compared to other similar products. I attribute this to lack of volume sales. If a company like Paradox that creates similar titles can do well on steam I don't see why Matrix cannot. There is a world of potential new wargamers out there and the question is how can Matrix reach them?

I am not familiar with the investment required to sell on Steam. There may be a simple fiscal reason why not to. I just find it hard to believe that exposing your titles to over 3 millions concurrent users can be a bad thing. Civ5 requires Steam and is a gateway game to true wargaming.

I will not purchase any games from Matrix using the current method. I have been burnt before with sellers going under or no longer supporting my title. I have many other options out there so don't need to risk it. I only ask because as a wargamer I may enjoy some of these games and it would be nice if Matrix offered their products through my preferred source. It is in no way a requirement. If current Matrix customers are happy with the process and Matrix is not interested in the client base available through Steam then I wish you all the best and enjoy your games.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 1:29:32 AM   
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I'm also a big Steam fan. I understand why people don't like it, but the flip side is that they've provided by far the most stable mass-online distribution platform since Digital Distribution became a "thing." I was a huge skeptic a few years ago, but now I have tons of games through Steam. Tons through Impulse, too, although I'm not sure what i'm supposed to call that service now. Maybe "The Artist Formerly Known as Impulse but now just a Gamestop Icon?"

In all seriousness, though.. Matrix is a great company, and i applaud any "small business" (so to speak) who is willing to stand behind the quality of their product and say "We will charge what it is worth!" Of course, that's all because so far all the games i've bought from Matrix have been more than worth the money I paid. I don't see how Steam could hurt anything--surely it would broaden horizons--but at the same time I'm sure Matrix will be just fine either way.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 1:35:47 AM   
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Without going into the old argument about steam itself,....... I will say that those who dont wish to use steam should do that,...and stop trying to prevent others from being able to use it. If you want to sit on the porch in your rocking chair talking about how great the "goold ole days" were, thats fine,...but please dont try and imprison those of us who dont mind living in the modern world there with you. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you should try to prevent others from using it.


Here's the bottom line to this debate.....if you have a choice, why on earth would you want to have an internet connected game installer on your pc, if you can have the ability to simply download the setup files for a game, and install them anywhere you want whether you are connected to the internet or not (a 'la Matrix)? I understand that if there is a particular title you want, and it is only available via Steam, then go ahead and buy it. But to request a gaming company to abandon their simple install approach and go the Steam route makes absolutely no sense, unless you are employed by Steam of course......


I don't remember asking Matrix to stop selling the way they do now.

I asked for a 'choice'.

I prefer a single provider of digital licensing. I don't want to have mutiple logins or serial numbers to save somehwere and then have to remember where I put them a year later. I don't want media that can be lost or damaged. I want to restore my pc or buy a new one and logn then install all my games. This is the conveniance steam supplies. I also get patches managed and updated by steam. I can play online or offline and communicate with other players. I also love that fact the game store is on my pc and in one place.

Yes Matrix games are expensive compared to other similar products. I attribute this to lack of volume sales. If a company like Paradox that creates similar titles can do well on steam I don't see why Matrix cannot. There is a world of potential new wargamers out there and the question is how can Matrix reach them?

I am not familiar with the investment required to sell on Steam. There may be a simple fiscal reason why not to. I just find it hard to believe that exposing your titles to over 3 millions concurrent users can be a bad thing. Civ5 requires Steam and is a gateway game to true wargaming.

I will not purchase any games from Matrix using the current method. I have been burnt before with sellers going under or no longer supporting my title. I have many other options out there so don't need to risk it. I only ask because as a wargamer I may enjoy some of these games and it would be nice if Matrix offered their products through my preferred source. It is in no way a requirement. If current Matrix customers are happy with the process and Matrix is not interested in the client base available through Steam then I wish you all the best and enjoy your games.

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Ok..if you are telling me that you simply want Matrix to also use Steam as a way to sell their product, while keeping their current setup as well, I can understand a bit better where you are coming from. But I think Iain answered that part of the question well enough.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 2:59:35 AM   
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Purely from a business perspective being on Steam gives an absolutely massive boost to the number of potential customers. (For example Paradox sells their games on Steam, but Steam is NOT required to purchase or run their games).

More money is more and better games for us all.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 3:09:07 AM   
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Absolutely! I in no way would suggets they stop what is working.

Iain's comment suggests that Steam would not be interested due to pricing. It also suggest that Matrix has not pursued the option.

If they have not tried then I can only say "nothing ventured, nothing gained"

If they have tried and Steam refused then I believe Steam is missing an opportunity.

I would love to be privy to the reasoning behind either decision but likely I never will be.

Just one potential customer making a suggestion to a potential seller.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 4:30:48 AM   
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Here's the bottom line to this debate.....if you have a choice, why on earth would you want to have an internet connected game installer on your pc, if you can have the ability to simply download the setup files for a game, and install them anywhere you want whether you are connected to the internet or not (a 'la Matrix)? I understand that if there is a particular title you want, and it is only available via Steam, then go ahead and buy it. But to request a gaming company to abandon their simple install approach and go the Steam route makes absolutely no sense, unless you are employed by Steam of course......


No,...the bottom line is actually.........we should each be able to make our own choice and not be limited just because you cant see why someone else would make a choice different than you.
While you like downloading setup files,..and entering serial keys,...not to mention finding the DVD the install file is on,....hoping it isnt scratched or cracked,...finding that serial key......entering it............... I would rather install steam and click on the title I own to downlaod and install it. So much easier, and never in any danger of being damaged or lost.
But as already mentioned the BIG point is the huge increase in customers and profit Matrix would see by having their games on steam.

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 5:44:50 AM   
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Here's the bottom line to this debate.....if you have a choice, why on earth would you want to have an internet connected game installer on your pc, if you can have the ability to simply download the setup files for a game, and install them anywhere you want whether you are connected to the internet or not (a 'la Matrix)? I understand that if there is a particular title you want, and it is only available via Steam, then go ahead and buy it. But to request a gaming company to abandon their simple install approach and go the Steam route makes absolutely no sense, unless you are employed by Steam of course......


No,...the bottom line is actually.........we should each be able to make our own choice and not be limited just because you cant see why someone else would make a choice different than you.
While you like downloading setup files,..and entering serial keys,...not to mention finding the DVD the install file is on,....hoping it isnt scratched or cracked,...finding that serial key......entering it............... I would rather install steam and click on the title I own to downlaod and install it. So much easier, and never in any danger of being damaged or lost.
But as already mentioned the BIG point is the huge increase in customers and profit Matrix would see by having their games on steam.


But we are only guessing about the huge increase in customers aren't we? No one knows..... As far as I believe many of the clientele of Steam(and others of their ilk) are Ritalin-fueled adolescents who wouldn't know what the term "turned-based" was if it bit them on the ass...... I know I partake of Steam ever once in a while but somehow can't picture War In The East on a 10 buck sale.....I really cant picture them selling more than 1000 or so copies that way. Hell, half of the people would stop after the 4th or 5th word and go on to the next big shiny thing because it has BIG GUNS! ! 3-D BOOBIES !!!! RTS !!!!! FIRST PERSON !!!!LATEST N GREATEST !!!!!

I know people brought up Paradox Games as an example of wargames making it on Steam. There is a big difference between a pseudo rts like hearts of iron and WiTE.. Personally I like them both but most of those who play HOI probably know of Matrix, have been here but don't like turn-based or the Board-game style of WiTE and most of the other Matrix titles puts them off...Most of those that I personally know who own HOI are wargame-lite type of people.....

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RE: Matrix games on Steam? - 11/10/2011 6:45:12 AM   
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Most of those that I personally know who own HOI are wargame-lite type of people.....


Nay. Paradox's style of Grand Strategy is more in-depth and stimulating than any board game i've ever played. It is simply a case of old-school vs. new-school. Many of Matrix's wargames are of that old-school-something-kinda-like-Panzer-General-but-better-ish feel. Which is fantastic. Paradox's titles are on the extreme opposite end of the wargaming spectrum, where advanced AI, layers and layers of data for you the player to deal with, and then the fight. I like to think of the principle difference as:

Panzer General is all about the battle. Not in a small way, but in a strategic big-picture way. Hearts of Iron is about the four years of back-breaking work that went into getting your Army to that battle in the first place--and then the Battle, to boot. Both good approaches. Nothing 'lite' about either of them.

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