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East Front Map

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Five months later. Ugh. I will be sooo glad when this is done. 10km per hex.



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I know that feeling!

Nice work though. Looks great!
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It really does look well made. The terrain, particularly in the North, looks much more appropriately severe than in earlier works I've seen.

I'm curious about the technique, though. This is the second half-finished map I've seen posted like this, where the map maker fully completes each hex before moving to the next. My practice has always been to do a specific tile over the entire map before moving on to the next tile. So, I do all the coastline first, then all the cities, then all the rivers, etc. I just find it easier - but it may be six of one, half-a-dozen of another. I wonder what the breakdown of the whole map-making community would be on that?
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[&o] You're insane.. but i like that! When that thing is done and you're back from convalescent care.. what are your plans with it? You didn't want to use the FitE map, which is also at 10 km per hex - why?
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Plans? Some East Front scenarios and/or the whole campaign. Yeah, it's been done. But not like I want to see it. I thought about the FitE map and editing some stuff on it but decided to take my own advice. If you don't like it then do it yourself.

I'm using the Army Map Service set from the U of Texas site. Over 240 separate topo maps stitched together using Paint Shop Pro into 22 or so separate sections grided and marked using MS Paint and putdown in the editor. Vast majority Red Army wartime with some German thrown in compiled by the U.S. Corps of Engineers in 1950 and 1951. Or something like that. At least that's what it says on the maps. Been doing research and gathering 'stuff' for a couple years now. Should be done with it in the spring. Just not sure which year.
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Very nice - great detail and sounds like you went through hell and high water to get the maps and resources set up. An enormous amount of work!
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Thanks guys.

The OOB should be lots of fun too. [8|]

BTW, my sincere and lasting thanks to Curt Chambers, maker of Opart Design and Debug Utility (ODD). This would have been near impossible without that great program. [&o][&o][&o]
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Section NM38. Don Great Bend and Stalingrad. Grid applied. Ready for terrain features to be drawn.



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Damn!! I think I just drooled all over my computer.
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It really does look very good. And that's looking at these tiny images, not at the huge monster you've built. Congratulations. All that effort has turned out very well.

Good luck with OOB research.

I truly hope you have backed this baby up, and tested recovering from back-up.
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Looks good.

I'm sure you already know this, but the NM38 map you posted shows a widened Don, the Tsimlyansk Reservoir. The dam forming the reservoir wasn't completed until 1952 though.
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BTW, if you haven't completed that section SW of Leningrad because you lack this particular area, I can send a scan of German maps.
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Any post war res. is filled with hashmarks so the original terrain is still visible. The area around Oranienbaum shouldn't be a problem. I can use any topo map to fill that in. But thanks for the offer.
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About the Dnepr at Kanev. I'm believe there was a railroad bridge there during the war. And in real life a RR bridge can be used as a road bridge. Just not in TOAW for some reason.

In any event, I've seen people place a road bridge there. However, I've seen maps where a road bridge would appear to be and maps where a road bridge is not there, but a ferry. So I'm kind of confused as to whether or not there really was a road bridge at Kanev or if it was merely a ferry and later a pontoon bridge was placed. If a ferry/pontoon bridge then the player would be forced to leave an engineer unit there to continue to move supplies and units across at that point on the Dnepr.

Does anyone have definative information for a permanent road bridge spanning the Dnepr at Kanev?
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GoranW over at the War in the East forum might be able to help you. He's some kind of living Heeres-Kartenamt. :)
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ORIGINAL: Telumar

GoranW over at the War in the East forum might be able to help you. He's some kind of living Heeres-Kartenamt. :)

Ok. Thanks.
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Excellent work, Panama!

You are probably aware of the Eastern European topo maps online from the tu library in Austin:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/eastern_europe/

1:250,000 topo, forests, roads, villages, RR etc.
From 1935-40 topo maps of the General Staff, Red Army, revised 1944-45 from aerial photos, printed in English 1947 by the US Army Corps of Engineers.
For example, the Dnepr bend at Kiev is still undamed, as is the Dnepr at Dneprodzherzhinsk.

Looking forward to downloading your "final edition" (quotations since these are never finished.
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Mr. Panama, anything new from the map room? How's it going?
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So far

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RE: East Front Map

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Oh my goodness, It just looks gorgeous. Great work, Panama.
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