Matrix Games Forums

Deal of the Week Battle Academy Battle Academy 2 Out now!Legions of Steel ready for betaBattle Academy 2 gets trailers and Steam page!Deal of the Week Germany at WarSlitherine Group acquires Shenandoah StudioNew information and screenshots for Pike & ShotDeal of the Week Pride of NationsTo End All Wars Releasing on Steam! Slitherine is recruiting: Programmers required
Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

Buildings

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Panzer Command: Ostfront >> The War Room >> Buildings Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Buildings - 10/24/2011 10:39:14 AM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
I have to say that I enjoy the fact that one can place infantry units in tall building structures such as church steeples. Really messes up one's day when a HMG unit opens up from one of these positions. I do wish that the same could be done with vehicles so that one could set up an ambush situation. Yes, the vehicle might become immobilized or the main weapons might be damaged. Think of the surprise a Russian tank crew would experience when they rounded a corner in a town, only to wind up looking down the barrel of a 88 on a Tiger I hidden in the rubble of a building.

Why can't buildings or sections of them be destroyed by HE fire from some of the heavier guns on SPGs or offboard artillery/aircraft? I have played other games, mainly the Battlefront Game's Combat Mission series, where buildings are destroyed after sustaining numerous hits from the larger guns. This would be a great addition to this game but probably would require quite an extensive revision of the code to be included in a patch. Maybe include these events in any future game of the series. Something else too. I haven't played any small unit action games where a bridge can be destroyed. Being able to do so to stop the advance of enemy units (especially tracked or wheeled vehicles) would come in very handy for the defending forces. Would love to see the water tower come crashing down...okay, maybe I'm asking too much.

Thanks. Chris.
Post #: 1
RE: Buildings - 10/24/2011 5:08:57 PM   
Rick

 

Posts: 12314
Joined: 4/20/2000
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: resinslinger

I have to say that I enjoy the fact that one can place infantry units in tall building structures such as church steeples. Really messes up one's day when a HMG unit opens up from one of these positions. I do wish that the same could be done with vehicles so that one could set up an ambush situation. Yes, the vehicle might become immobilized or the main weapons might be damaged. Think of the surprise a Russian tank crew would experience when they rounded a corner in a town, only to wind up looking down the barrel of a 88 on a Tiger I hidden in the rubble of a building.

Why can't buildings or sections of them be destroyed by HE fire from some of the heavier guns on SPGs or offboard artillery/aircraft? I have played other games, mainly the Battlefront Game's Combat Mission series, where buildings are destroyed after sustaining numerous hits from the larger guns. This would be a great addition to this game but probably would require quite an extensive revision of the code to be included in a patch. Maybe include these events in any future game of the series. Something else too. I haven't played any small unit action games where a bridge can be destroyed. Being able to do so to stop the advance of enemy units (especially tracked or wheeled vehicles) would come in very handy for the defending forces. Would love to see the water tower come crashing down...okay, maybe I'm asking too much.

Thanks. Chris.


Chris,

There is a ruined terrain type that can be used on maps, and I know it shows up some. There are also models of ruined buildings that show up on some maps. But you are right, we don't have the ability in this release for dynamically destroying terrain or map objects. It isn't something we can add in a patch thougth. But it is certainly on our wish list of things we want to look at for the next game in the series.

Thanks!
Rick

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 2
RE: Buildings - 10/26/2011 7:24:44 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
Rick. Yes, I noticed that there were ruined and burning buildings in the game. Just being able to tear a building apart with direct HE fire is so much fun. Another question and something that should be seriously considered for any future games in the series. We need tree-bursts when artillery hits a woods or forested area. We also need for certain types of terrain (grass, grain fields, wooden buildings) to catch fire when they are hit by any kind of direct fire, especially flamethrowers. Speaking of flamethrowers, it would be great if the hand-held version the German Pioneer units used could be included in the game. I know that there is a limit to what can be added to a game, patch or new version, but I feel that the way this game is designed that it could easily incorporate more weapon types (many more). Remember, he who dies with the most toys....WINS.

Chris.

(in reply to Rick)
Post #: 3
RE: Buildings - 10/26/2011 7:38:36 PM   
Rick

 

Posts: 12314
Joined: 4/20/2000
Status: offline
Chris,

Destructible terrain is certainly on our list of things we want to add to the next game in the series.

As far as handheld flamethrower, are you referring to one different from what appear in the Novy Risadey scenario?

thanks
rick

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 4
RE: Buildings - 10/26/2011 10:09:12 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
Spoke too soon. Sorry about that Rick. I'll check out the scenario to see if it is indeed the flamethrower I am referring to. Chris.

(in reply to Rick)
Post #: 5
RE: Buildings - 10/26/2011 11:14:09 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
Did a little research. I've included a photo of the flamethrower I'm speaking about. It was a single shot weapon that shot a flame out to about 26 meters. It might be a tad too small a weapons, then again, maybe not. These were used by Fallshimjager and Volkstrumm troops. It name was Einstossflammenwerfer. Anyways, here is the photo I found.






Attachment (1)

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 6
RE: Buildings - 10/26/2011 11:20:50 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
You know, this weapon could be used by German Fallschimjager or Volkstrumm troops much the way a PanzerFaust would be used, just a shorter range. Seems like it would be a great close-assualt weapon (especially again fortified buildings or bunkers). Did you know the Germans even had a flame mine? I don't know if they actually used them but damn that would be a terrible weapon to encounter. Thanks again. Chris.

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 7
RE: Buildings - 10/26/2011 11:27:21 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
The Germans did have a flamemine. Here is what I found on Wikipedia

"The Abwehrflammenwerfer 42 was a German static defensive flamethrower, flame fougasse or flame mine used during the Second World War. The design was copied from Russian FOG-1 mines that were encountered in 1941 during Operation Barbarossa. These were usually buried at intervals of 12 to 30 yards (11 to 27 m) covering road blocks, landing beaches, harbor walls and other obstacles. They were normally mixed in with other mines or emplaced behind barbed wire and could be command detonated or triggered by tripwires or other devices.

The mine consisted of a large fuel cylinder 53 centimetres (21 in) high and 30 centimetres (12 in) with a capacity of 29.5 litres (6.5 imp gal; 7.8 US gal) containing a black viscid liquid, a mix of light, medium, and heavy oils. A second, smaller cylinder, 67 millimetres (2.6 in) in diameter and 25 centimetres (9.8 in) high, was mounted on top of the fuel cylinder; it contains the propellent powder, which was normally either black powder or a mixture of nitrocellulose and diethylene glycol dinitrate. A flame tube was fixed centrally on top of the fuel cylinder, it was a 50 millimetres (2.0 in) diameter pipe that rose from the centre of the fuel cylinder and curved to extend horizontally approximately 50 centimetres (20 in). When the mine was buried, normally only the flame tube was above ground.

When the mine was triggered, a squib charge ignited the propellant, creating a burst of hot gas which forced the fuel from the main cylinder and out of the flame tube. A second squib ignited the fuel as it passed out of the end of the flame tube. The projected stream of burning fuel was 4.5 metres (15 ft) wide and 2.7 metres (8 ft 10 in) high with a range of about 27 metres (89 ft), and lasted about 1.5 seconds"

Like I said, what a terrible weapon to encounter. Chris.

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 8
RE: Buildings - 10/27/2011 1:30:36 AM   
Rick

 

Posts: 12314
Joined: 4/20/2000
Status: offline

That doesn't look quite like what we have with our flamthrower unit. I think what we have is a dedicated Flamethrower Team.

But one of the neat things about PCO is that you could actually add this weapon to PCO and then create a unit that would have it as well. PCO uses a fairly 'open' system that allows you to do things like this.

I know there are some mine weapons that are in the system, but are not assigned to any units. But they are there if someone wants to create a unit to use them.

Thanks,
rick

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 9
RE: Buildings - 10/27/2011 1:32:46 AM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
Oh no, one more thing for me to think about. Making new units. Thanks alot.

(in reply to Rick)
Post #: 10
RE: Buildings - 10/27/2011 1:53:00 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
Rick. What I think I am going to do with this weapon system is to intergrate it into a Fallschirmjager or Volkstrumm unit. I'm thinking that I will modify the flamethrower weapon (not the unit) and then incorporate it into the infantry units. As for the flame mines, Russian and German, that might take a little more work since they are units per se. I'll be sure to post both if I get them designed properly. Thanks again. Chris.

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 11
RE: Buildings - 10/27/2011 4:38:42 PM   
Rick

 

Posts: 12314
Joined: 4/20/2000
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: resinslinger

Rick. What I think I am going to do with this weapon system is to intergrate it into a Fallschirmjager or Volkstrumm unit. I'm thinking that I will modify the flamethrower weapon (not the unit) and then incorporate it into the infantry units. As for the flame mines, Russian and German, that might take a little more work since they are units per se. I'll be sure to post both if I get them designed properly. Thanks again. Chris.


Chris,

Be aware that if you're planning to play against others make sure you use unique file names and 'unit type' names for your new units. If you don't your units could end up replacing current ones. When playing in MP games, the sytem checks to make sure both players are using the same unit definitions.

Let us know how it goes.

Thanks
rick

(in reply to resinslinger)
Post #: 12
RE: Buildings - 10/27/2011 6:45:11 PM   
resinslinger


Posts: 880
Joined: 10/21/2011
From: Columbia, South Carolina
Status: offline
Yep. I ran into that problem many years ago when the first SPWaW was available. I did a whole bunch of mods to that game and didn't tell my opponents about them. Scenarios didn't work too good. So yes, I will make absolutely sure everything is backed-up, as soon as I get a new DVD-RW dirve. Mine decided to crap out on me and it is going to hold-up my HDD upgrade. I can't make a System Restore disk to use as a boot-up disk for the new HDD. Don't ya just love computers????? Chris.

(in reply to Rick)
Post #: 13
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Panzer Command: Ostfront >> The War Room >> Buildings Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.082