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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 12/31/2011 12:30:19 AM   
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The only question that may confuse players is air production. When doing R&D on an airframe, they will not repair much the further away they are due (an airframe due in '45 will not repair often in '42). An engine that is not due for production until '45 will start to repair after every expansion. So if you double your engine factory from 30 to 60, after 30 days and 30k in supply it will be repaired and then start accumulating Developmental Points so once it gets to the magic 100 points, it will move forward a month. It is easy to move engines forward by months, if not year which makes little sense to me, but I'll stay off that soap box.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 12/31/2011 12:33:02 AM   
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Yeah - Santez wanted me to re-write that and having you echo that concern - I might as well.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 1/16/2012 3:26:00 PM   
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Yeah - Santez wanted me to re-write that and having you echo that concern - I might as well.


hi - bumping this and looking forward to the next update

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 1/16/2012 3:56:29 PM   
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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 1/18/2012 12:28:05 PM   
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The only question that may confuse players is air production. When doing R&D on an airframe, they will not repair much the further away they are due (an airframe due in '45 will not repair often in '42). An engine that is not due for production until '45 will start to repair after every expansion.


So say i build 30 R&D factories in 41/12 for the Ki-84a Frank which is due on 44/1 (and that i have enough supplies) then i am not going to see anything near 1 factory repairing per day (like happens with production factories) - however, do you have any idea, given the example of the Frank, how much earlier it would become available.

Damian - Is it possible for Tracker to do some magic calcs that will tell us this info if we input a start date and number of factories to be built - i appreciate it would only be a rough estimate but would still be very helpful for us newbies.

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So if you double your engine factory from 30 to 60, after 30 days and 30k in supply it will be repaired and then start accumulating Developmental Points so once it gets to the magic 100 points, it will move forward a month. It is easy to move engines forward by months, if not year which makes little sense to me, but I'll stay off that soap box.


I know this is just an example but is there any reason why you would ever have more than 30 R&D factories (unless you have them to start with) as i thought the magic number was 30 and you got vastly diminishing returns above that????

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 1/18/2012 12:44:18 PM   
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For the A6M5 Zero you change it to the A6M3 Zero which is fair enough as with the other factory you have 2 x 30 R&D.  Is the thinking here that you will just change the factories over to the new models on their standard arrival dates and that it is more important to have the A6M3 early than the A6M5?


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No, my thinking is that once the M3 R&D factories are fully repaired, I'll move them up the line ASAP.


I think i am missing your point here - isn't the A6M5 already further up the line?



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Also - is it worth rushing the Sen Baku (which is the upgrade to the A6M2) as it upgrades to the A6M5b and i'm assuming there will be a large number of the old A6M2 still around? 


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There is no damage or cost associated with moving a fully repaired R&D facility to the next upgrade option as defined by the editor. The advantage with non-realistic is that fully repaired production plants can be moved along this path at no cost too.
Which is why building the A6M2, and then switching it to the Baku and then the M5b is a good option for non-realistic(straight away), but can’t be achieved with realistic R&D.

So what I'm saying is don't research the Baku, playing Realistic Off - build a few more M2 factories, when fully repaired, switch them to the Baku and in the same turn, to the M5b and voila - you're researching that! Can get it a year early if wanted.


Implication here is (if i understand you correctly) that the Baku is not that important and not needed early whereas the 5b is a better option.

As a result it seems you can get the 5b earlier than the Baku even though the Baku won't have finished R&Ding and the 5b comes after the Baku. This seems odd.

Finally, when you say switch them in the same turn - does it have to be the same turn? e.g. if you forget to do it on the same turn can you still do it the following day>

Many thanks

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 2/24/2012 4:50:15 PM   
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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 3/5/2012 12:18:15 AM   
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Can't you guys add a button to this tool

"Stuff that you should really be doing next turn" ...........

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 4/30/2012 9:26:13 AM   
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Giving this wonderful thread a bump for us new/restarting Japanese players.  I'm sure Larryfulkerson will want to see this to.  Thank you for giving me something to build upon .

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 4/30/2012 9:56:06 PM   
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Damian, I'm finally working my way through this document. Very nice stuff. So far, one comment:

Page 7 – Resource Storage and Flows – You turn on resource storage at Sapporo. Why not turn it on instead at Hakodate? I like to ship all resources and oil from Sakhalin to Hokkaido (oil from Shikuka to Sapporo and resources from Toyohara to Wakkani). Then I turn on resource and oil storage at Hakodate. That way I can ship both from Hakodate to Ominato – a two hex distance. Increase those two ports to size 7 and you can move a lot of stuff in a short amount of time. It’ll minimize the amount of shipping you need here.

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 4/30/2012 10:15:18 PM   
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That's interesting Mike, especially once you have drained most of it. I will have to look into it.

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 5/1/2012 12:41:54 AM   
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Damian, I'm finally working my way through this document. Very nice stuff. So far, one comment:

Page 7 – Resource Storage and Flows – You turn on resource storage at Sapporo. Why not turn it on instead at Hakodate? I like to ship all resources and oil from Sakhalin to Hokkaido (oil from Shikuka to Sapporo and resources from Toyohara to Wakkani). Then I turn on resource and oil storage at Hakodate. That way I can ship both from Hakodate to Ominato – a two hex distance. Increase those two ports to size 7 and you can move a lot of stuff in a short amount of time. It’ll minimize the amount of shipping you need here.

Mike - I agree. I saw this document as a beginning to resource haulage and that after a while (when ports supersized) that adjustments should be made. I should include this and other thoughts I've had since I first wrote this.

Thanks for your input.

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 5/1/2012 2:49:37 AM   
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Giving this wonderful thread a bump for us new/restarting Japanese players.  I'm sure Larryfulkerson will want to see this to.  Thank you for giving me something to build upon .

I do, I do. Bookmarked and everything. I'm going to have to go through it twice at least.

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RE: Econ 101 - Draft 2 - 5/1/2012 10:09:01 AM   
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Mike - I agree. I saw this document as a beginning to resource haulage and that after a while (when ports supersized) that adjustments should be made. I should include this and other thoughts I've had since I first wrote this.


Waiting your updates

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 5/1/2012 1:58:22 PM   
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Posted in error.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 7/14/2012 4:55:30 PM   
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Regards,

[edit] Noted that the pic's were a bit bad so re-did them. The Pdf looks better than the doc version.
[edit] Just updated the doc a bit... will continue to update ...
[update] Save file - completed orders up till the airframe sequence
Scen 1, R&D realistic
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17642556/wpae005.pws
Airframes complete
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17642556/wpae006.pws



Not sure what are these latter files can I just place these in my save game slots?

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/1/2012 2:42:52 AM   
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Bump and I'm still refining this thing as I go ... Sorry time has been wanting and I thank kind words I get from ppl such as Mac Lineham to continue my efforts.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/1/2012 2:47:13 AM   
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Damian, you need to link this thread in your sig. Without bumping and people recommending it, I would have never found it!

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/1/2012 8:57:23 AM   
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Damian, you need to link this thread in your sig. Without bumping and people recommending it, I would have never found it!


Or it needs stickying at the top.....it is so useful.


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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/3/2012 5:45:24 PM   
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Damien -

It is always difficult for a very knowledgeable player to condense and present a vast amount of information in a succinct, logical and understandable manner - especially when the target audience may be very new to AE. Your document has accomplished that and does it well - a very real skill that I suspect comes from years of teaching.

What has already been done has been exceptionally useful. It would take yet more time and serious effort - in addition to Real Life, to update or expand your document. However I have no doubt that you will eventually do it, as you and Floyd have had an enormous impact on AE with your collaborative AE Tracker - which is absolutely outstanding. Anyone willing to invest hundreds (thousands?) of hours in creating and maintaining Tracker will not settle for anything short of excellence in any project he started.

And:

Floyd - I am very much remiss in not earlier acknowledging your contribution as the other half of the Tracker Team. Thank YOU, Sir.

Gents, your work always has that stamp of excellence that makes one stand out - and is readily recognized by the rest of us.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/3/2012 7:07:13 PM   
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I second the vote for a sticky in the war room! I agree not every guide can be stickied as it would make the forums extremely difficult to follow, but this piece
of work is easily more fundamental than my coordination guide, as it describes how to keep the more difficult to play side smooth and running.

As a complete IJ industry ignoramus this doc has already helped me a lot in understanding the concept.
It is a very important contribution to the PBEM community - which is always is short of Japanese opponents.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/4/2012 12:11:18 AM   
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I third it. If all JFBs follow this avice placing my subs will be easy

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/4/2012 7:22:13 AM   
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This looks really interesting but the dropbox link is broken and I can only download the word doc called "Draft". Any chance someone can repost the "Final" version?
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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/4/2012 7:28:09 AM   
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This looks really interesting but the dropbox link is broken and I can only download the word doc called "Draft". Any chance someone can repost the "Final" version?
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Andrew - Hi mate ... long time. No final version available until I'm satisfied with it. The dropbox links are working on my end and the "draft.doc" is the latest.

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RE: Japan Econ 101 setup Draft Doc - 9/4/2012 1:27:13 PM   
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Howdy. Can't get it to work at this end. Must be all that high speed Korean internet you are getting.
All I get is this :
Error (404)
We can't find the page you're looking for. Check out our Help Center and forums for help, or head back to home
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Doesn't matter, got the draft version anyway so all good. Its going straight to the pool room this one.
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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/16/2012 5:24:13 AM   
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Andrew - Hi mate ... long time. No final version available until I'm satisfied with it. The dropbox links are working on my end and the "draft.doc" is the latest.

Cheers


The first two links work fine - the two game files (005.pws and 006.pws) generate "file not found", however. (At long last I'm working on the Japan version on the AE-setup spreadsheet, and plan to rely HEAVILY on your efforts here!)

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/16/2012 5:31:47 AM   
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Andrew - Hi mate ... long time. No final version available until I'm satisfied with it. The dropbox links are working on my end and the "draft.doc" is the latest.

Cheers


The first two links work fine - the two game files (005.pws and 006.pws) generate "file not found", however. (At long last I'm working on the Japan version on the AE-setup spreadsheet, and plan to rely HEAVILY on your efforts here!)


Hi Kull - glad to see you back! Try now - somehow they got deleted from my dropbox folder... I've restored what I think are the correct files.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/16/2012 5:45:00 AM   
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Hi Kull - glad to see you back! Try now - somehow they got deleted from my dropbox folder... I've restored what I think are the correct files.


That did it! Both links work fine. Never really left, but my Allied game vs. the AI reached a stasis point, so it seemed like a good time to delve into the workings of the Japanese game. Oh.my.god. Your work here is much appreciated!

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/16/2012 5:50:05 AM   
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Hi Kull - glad to see you back! Try now - somehow they got deleted from my dropbox folder... I've restored what I think are the correct files.


That did it! Both links work fine. Never really left, but my Allied game vs. the AI reached a stasis point, so it seemed like a good time to delve into the workings of the Japanese game. Oh.my.god. Your work here is much appreciated!

Got more to do regarding Oil and Fuel transportation (hubs and ship use), as well as a few other areas that people have asked for. These save files are just economic and nothing strategic in nature. Please comment when you have time. I'd also look At Mr. Solli's work which is invaluable as well as a thread here about Ak use.

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RE: JEcon 101 setup pre-final Doc - 9/16/2012 5:54:43 AM   
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First question. Spreadsheet is populated with the Tracker data, and there are 110 rows for Japanese Manpower centers. Reviewing your document, I don't see any mention of this category. Is this just something that can be ignored? Can't say I can recall ever hearing somebody complain about running out of troops....

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