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Here is an "ugly" one - 10/20/2011 10:37:05 PM   
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Chance Vought Sea Wolf Torpedo bomber. As ugly as a toad sitting on a fence post....




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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/20/2011 10:56:20 PM   
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It reminds of a greenhouse....


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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/20/2011 11:45:15 PM   
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yeah, a flying greenhouse!

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 12:34:29 AM   
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According to Wiki the top speed of this thing was 306 mph, the range was 1500 nm and it could carry 2000 lbs or bombs or a torpedo. Not too shabby for a torpedo bomber.

I saw a picture of one of these in a book my father got in the Naval Reserve just after WWII - it definitely looked better wearing navy blue. I guess it's principle problem was it was too late to the prom.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 1:47:32 AM   
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It was the backup program for the TBF.  Often when a plane is selected for a production program, there is a back up until the first place design is proven.  The 1938 specification had new specs for torpedo and dive bombers as well as fighters.  In the end, all three of the top picks saw combat: the TBF, SB2C, and F4U. 

The TBF program ran into few snags, so the TBU became a footnote.  I think one squadron in the Caribbean had them for a short while, but they were otherwise used as trainers.  I think Vought built about 20 before the TBF proved itself. 

The backup for the SB2C was made by Brewster and it turned out to be such a massive turkey that the Navy stuck with the SB2C.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_SB2A_Buccaneer

For some reason there was no backup for the Corsair initially.  I'm not sure why.  When the Corsair program ran into trouble, they approached Grumman to make an updated Wildcat for an interim fighter.  The F6F-1 had a Wright R-2600 engine.  While the prototype was in test, Grumman redesigned the Hellcat to use the same engine as the Corsair, the P&W 2800. 

The new F6F-3 was much better than the Corsair for carrier ops.  It had 95% the performance of the Corsair with outstanding low speed handling that made it much easier to land on a carrier, even when damaged.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 3:05:03 AM   
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Man, yall need yer eyes checked...that is a beautiful plane. You just can't appreciate it's uniqueness.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 4:45:48 AM   
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looks like a cool tourist prop plane.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 5:54:47 AM   
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Man, yall need yer eyes checked...that is a beautiful plane. You just can't appreciate it's uniqueness.


Except that pilot has to look through the cafeteria and the gym to see where he's going . . .

(It's a joke, OK?)

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 9:08:37 AM   
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Hi all,

Ugly but faster than (more successful and ultimately the only one used in war by USA) opponent...


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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 10:42:15 AM   
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Lots of info at http://www.microworks.net/pacific/aviation/tby_seawolf.htm

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 11:52:51 AM   
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That thing must have been next to impossible to land on CV...considering problems with F4U..look at the angle it is....

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 2:17:27 PM   
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That thing must have been next to impossible to land on CV...considering problems with F4U..look at the angle it is....

My thoughts as well ... looks damn difficult to set down ... have to do it pretty much blind. Ok on land, but a pitching and heaving flight deck?

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 2:25:45 PM   
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Hi all,

Ugly but faster than (more successful and ultimately the only one used in war by USA) opponent...


Leo "Apollo11"


The TBF was good enough and the manufacturing capacity to build it existed.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 3:00:02 PM   
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Man, yall need yer eyes checked...that is a beautiful plane. You just can't appreciate it's uniqueness.


Except that pilot has to look through the cafeteria and the gym to see where he's going . . .

(It's a joke, OK?)


You know its getting bad around here when you have to start labeling your posts 'This is a joke' to keep from offending people.

I got the joke, looks like you got mine too.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 3:16:04 PM   
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So did that thing have a bobsled team for a crew? :)

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 4:40:18 PM   
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So did that thing have a bobsled team for a crew? :)


Yep, and the bobsled was named the 'Mark 13'.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/21/2011 9:49:12 PM   
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You know its getting bad around here when you have to start labeling your posts 'This is a joke' to keep from offending people.

I got the joke, looks like you got mine too.


Yeah, I got yours.

Here in Minnesota there's a social convention which comes from one of the Scandihoovian cultures that settled this arctic wasteland. When something is really terrible, like your new haircut, they say "Well, that's DIFFERENT."

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/22/2011 2:53:03 AM   
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Chance Vought Sea Wolf Torpedo bomber. As ugly as a toad sitting on a fence post....




Naw, mate.
That's not an ugly plane...
[image][/image]

This
is an ugly plane![image][/image]




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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/22/2011 3:05:50 AM   
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quote:

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Chance Vought Sea Wolf Torpedo bomber. As ugly as a toad sitting on a fence post....




Naw, mate.
That's not an ugly plane...
[image][/image]

This
is an ugly plane![image][/image]





But it might just save your life.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/22/2011 5:01:40 PM   
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quote:

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Chance Vought Sea Wolf Torpedo bomber. As ugly as a toad sitting on a fence post....




Naw, mate.
That's not an ugly plane...
[image][/image]

This
is an ugly plane![image][/image]










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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/22/2011 9:59:16 PM   
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Naw, mate.
That's not an ugly plane...
[image][/image]

This
is an ugly plane![image][/image]





So "Flight of the Phoenix" was true?! This looks like someone crashed a TBY in the desert and had enough pieces left to build a flying machine...

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/22/2011 10:15:37 PM   
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Man, yall need yer eyes checked...that is a beautiful plane. You just can't appreciate it's uniqueness.





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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/23/2011 12:15:05 AM   
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quote:

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Naw, mate.
That's not an ugly plane...
[image][/image]

This
is an ugly plane![image][/image]





So "Flight of the Phoenix" was true?! This looks like someone crashed a TBY in the desert and had enough pieces left to build a flying machine...


Think 'Mad Max'. I believe this is the airplane from one of those movies.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/23/2011 4:42:53 AM   
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The Bennett/Waitomo PL-11 Airtruck is a New Zealand agricultural aircraft.

The prototype was constructed using bits of war surplus ex-RNZAF North American Harvards.

A shortage of Harvard parts lead to the type being redesigned for all new construction by the Transavia Corporation, as the Transavia PL-12 Airtruk, 118 of which were produced in Australia between 1965 and 1985.

(Wikipedia)

Wings Over New Zealand :: General :: The Agricultural Aviation Board :: PL-11 Airtruck


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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/23/2011 10:51:26 PM   
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"airtruck" - yep, lol

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/24/2011 1:17:29 AM   
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For some reason there was no backup for the Corsair initially.  I'm not sure why.  When the Corsair program ran into trouble, they approached Grumman to make an updated Wildcat for an interim fighter.  The F6F-1 had a Wright R-2600 engine.  While the prototype was in test, Grumman redesigned the Hellcat to use the same engine as the Corsair, the P&W 2800. 



I was looking at a few sources I have about fighter development during the interwar period for the US Navy and they have it that the Corsair was the winner of the fly off between the Grumman XF5F Skyrocket and the Bell XFL-1 Airabonita. However, both of the other aircraft just couldn't successfully make it out of the protoype stage without major money dump and major rework (which at the time of the cash strapped defense budgets of the interwar period was a non-player) the Corsair was the winner. However, teething problems with the Corsair during the operational conversion lead to the F4F being held over and for Grumman to begin internal work of the F6F as a cheaper supplement to the F4U, in the 1940's as the war threat started to grow for the Nation and the US started its expansion.

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RE: Here is an "ugly" one - 10/24/2011 5:24:57 AM   
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"airtruck" - yep, lol


Would have been my second choice, right after (air?)container.

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