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The cupboard appears bare! - 10/14/2011 6:46:00 AM   
BASB


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Status: offline 		I brought this topic up a several months ago, I can't find my original thread. The cupboard was bare then, but a few months on the stocks are not much better. Is there a lack of devs out there producing good war games, doesn't seem to be any new dudes on the block. I am resorting to old games. Has Panther Dave given up on developing further titles? Just wondering.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/14/2011 7:19:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Far from it. Cmd Ops is due to get the patch really soon, with updated HTTR maps/scenarios to take advantage of the new engine features as an expansion/scenarios pack.
Once this is out the focus will be on the Eastern front module.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/14/2011 10:15:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've noticed the lack of new developers and coming soon wargames here at Matrix.

If I come across something I pass the info onto Matrix.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/14/2011 11:48:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin
I've noticed the lack of new developers and coming soon wargames here at Matrix.


It's not just here ...

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 12:40:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes! I also wonder what is in the pipeline. Will we see anything besides the new Distant Worlds expansion before Christmas? Only Erik knows!

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 1:34:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		All Quiet on the Western Front.

Waiting for the 2by3 announcement of WitW and maybe WIF or Heroes of Stalingrad get finished - sometime.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 1:34:47 AM   
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Status: online 		Well, the good thing is we have a pretty good selection to choose from and play for the rest of our lives, right now. Sure, we want new stuff. But, just think if we had to live without any more new games with the ones from the 90s. Good games, but nowhere near as good as what we have now.

Silver lining?

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 12:30:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Gilmer, but in 15 years time you'll be saying that about games that have come out today. There is always room for improvement. We aren't at perfection yet in any genre. A long way off yet.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 1:02:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lützow

All Quiet on the Western Front.





Please tell me more.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 3:03:08 PM   
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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 3:15:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin
I don't think he ment anyhting by it except it's all quiet on the wargame front.


.. or it was a reference to the fact TheLordz (the guys from Panzer Corps) have a WWI game in development - from what I've seen of it, it's going to be the definitive WWI game, no monster game, but ultra-playable and with lots of chrome

Greetz,

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 3:16:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin

I don't think he ment anyhting by it except it's all quiet on the wargame front.


There was I thinking there was a WW1 game on the horizon.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 3:17:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sterckxe

quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin
I don't think he ment anyhting by it except it's all quiet on the wargame front.


.. or it was a reference to the fact TheLordz (the guys from Panzer Corps) have a WWI game in development - from what I've seen of it, it's going to be the definitive WWI game, no monster game, but ultra-playable and with lots of chrome

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx


So there is hope?

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 3:23:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin

I don't think he ment anyhting by it except it's all quiet on the wargame front.


This.

Was also a reference to WitW. Sorry, if anyone got excited in expectation of a new WW1 title.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 3:28:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys, I'm feeling the same way. I feel blessed with what already has been released though. I feel quality is much more important than quantity but it seems when a quality game is released some people beef because it's not at the same price as a quantity wargame. I was extremely dissapointed with the cancelation of Carrier Force . I've wasted alot of money one great titles that aren't even installed on my desktop, since I have a game that will last me the rest of my life Admiral's Edition I've decided to wait for another top notch naval oriented title or not buy anything at all.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 5:19:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lützow

All Quiet on the Western Front.

Waiting for the 2by3 announcement of WitW and maybe WIF or Heroes of Stalingrad get finished - sometime.

I'm probably in the minority but I would love to see 2by3 games come out with a third WAW with many of the features in War Between The States.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 5:39:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sue I'm very keen on the precived scale of The Lordz WW1 game. Hardly any hexes make up the entire West front.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 6:40:09 PM   
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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/15/2011 11:28:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		GMT games have one game being made into a PC game and several for IoS and android. They are also in talks with someone about Combat Commander and two others. They also have a big list they want converted and are looking for developers.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/16/2011 12:23:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin

GMT games have one game being made into a PC game and several for IoS and android. They are also in talks with someone about Combat Commander and two others. They also have a big list they want converted and are looking for developers.


Which game is being made into a PC game?


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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/16/2011 10:12:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: redcoat

quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

GMT games have one game being made into a PC game and several for IoS and android. They are also in talks with someone about Combat Commander and two others. They also have a big list they want converted and are looking for developers.


Which game is being made into a PC game?



more than 1 actually :

Barbarossa : Army Group South
Labyrinth
Twilight Struggle

Other games are getting ported to the iPad or Android tablets

Greetz,

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/16/2011 10:16:05 AM   
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Not sue I'm very keen on the precived scale of The Lordz WW1 game. Hardly any hexes make up the entire West front.


Sure - and that's just like it needs to be - gridlock on the Western front, manoeuvering on the Eastern front and everything imaginable happening on the Southern & Turkish fronts.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/16/2011 10:51:53 PM   
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Not sue I'm very keen on the precived scale of The Lordz WW1 game. Hardly any hexes make up the entire West front.



Yes I agree. I made that comment when it was first announced.
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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/16/2011 11:10:34 PM   
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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/17/2011 8:50:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Perturabo
What WW1 game?


Commander : The Great War

The engine was completely re-written from scratch so while it might look like this is just Commander : Europe at War with different units, nothing could be further from the truth - more info :

http://www.wargamer.com/article/3007/slitherine-matrix-european-press-event-

Greetz,

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/17/2011 9:50:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		We tend to avoid announcing things until they are close to completion because of the complexities of making games and the number that get delayed or fall by the wayside. To be honest it is rare for one to arrive when expected! Even then one's we're expecting to finish soon can be delayed months or even years. We have severe backlash from unhappy customers on these and we want to avoid disappointing people.

The biggest issue is many of the developers working on wargames are only part time or volunteer as the money isn't there to fund large full time teams. Even if there is a full time team member they often are backed up and supported by volunteers or part timers.



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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/17/2011 3:50:13 PM   
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The biggest issue is many of the developers working on wargames are only part time or volunteer as the money isn't there to fund large full time teams. Even if there is a full time team member they often are backed up and supported by volunteers or part timers.


Very true. Hence the delay with Modern Wars: Volume I.

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/17/2011 4:39:25 PM   
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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/17/2011 4:58:21 PM   
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We tend to avoid announcing things until they are close to completion because of the complexities of making games and the number that get delayed or fall by the wayside. To be honest it is rare for one to arrive when expected! Even then one's we're expecting to finish soon can be delayed months or even years. We have severe backlash from unhappy customers on these and we want to avoid disappointing people.

The biggest issue is many of the developers working on wargames are only part time or volunteer as the money isn't there to fund large full time teams. Even if there is a full time team member they often are backed up and supported by volunteers or part timers.

I was kinda suspecting that getting a stable paying job is a good idea when wanting to develop games that one wants to exist instead of games that the masses want. I wonder if it's worth to take a specialisation in AI in such situation...

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RE: The cupboard appears bare! - 10/17/2011 5:06:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		As you are now a joint company can I suggest 2 things

1 You have joint fora rather than having the learning split. I don't have the time/enthusiasm to look at WITE on both
2 You organise the games on the fora in a logical sequence. They seem random and I still can't find WiTE easily

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