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The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 4:35:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Warspite's thread hypothetical about what might have happened had the Japanese destroyed the fuel stores at Pearl Harbor got me to looking at the Doolittle Raid. During this excecise, I noted that one of the B-25s on the raid was named The Ruptured Duck.

What in the world is the origin or inspiration for that name, does anybody know?

And why are "ducks" such popular items for terms, e.g. "lame duck," "duck soup," "like shooting ducks in a barrell," etc.?

And, what are some of the best aircraft names from World War II? You know, Memphis Belle, Aint She Sweet, etc?

Did any other nationalities (like the Brits) name their airplanes?

Is this enough questions for a single thread?
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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 4:43:15 PM   
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Is this enough questions for a single thread?

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 4:51:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The pilot of the Ruptured Duck was Ted Lawson. After the Doolittle Raid, he co-wrote Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo with a newspaper columnist - it took them about four days in a hotel room to sketch out the entire story, which deals with the Doolittle Raid. The story was made into a movie (which won an Oscar for Best Special Effects). Van Johnson played Lawson. Spencer Tracy and Robert Mitchum were also in the movie.

Lawson Army Airfield at Fort Benning, Georgia, is actually named for two Lawsons. It was originally named for Walter R. Lawson (no relation), a World War I pilot. Then it was "co-named" for Ted Lawson.

....so, a thread by Warspite starts me on surfing expedition that turns up interesting little tidbits like this.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 4:55:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's more information on the whole "Ruptured Duck" thing, found at:
http://therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Whatis/whatis.htm

The Origin of "The Ruptured Duck" Insignia

"The original Ruptured Duck was a cloth insignia depicting an eagle inside a wreath. It was worn on uniforms above the right breast pocket by American WWII servicemen and women.

"It was issued to service personnel who were about to leave the military with an Honorable Discharge. It also allowed them to continue to wear their uniform for up to thirty days after they were discharged since there was a clothing shortage at that time. This showed the MP's that they were in transit and not AWOL. Well, the boys thought the eagle looked more like a duck; and, because it meant they were going home, the popular saying was, "They took off like a Ruptured Duck"...hence the nickname."

Undoubtedly, many of you knew this, but it was new to me.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 5:21:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I remember to movie correctly, they practiced short take offs of the B-25s - revving to full power and trying to get the wheels off as quickly as possible. One time they got the nose up before the wheels, and drug the tail - tearing it open - hence the Ruptured Duck

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 5:57:07 PM   
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If I remember to movie correctly, they practiced short take offs of the B-25s - revving to full power and trying to get the wheels off as quickly as possible. One time they got the nose up before the wheels, and drug the tail - tearing it open - hence the Ruptured Duck

If I remember right, the Ruptured Duck took off without flaps down. Lawson and Davenport were both so excited they forgot to deploy flaps. All that happened was they dipped a bit, but then they climbed right out. They were no 7 in line, so they didn't have the whole deck to work with either. What a tribute to the Navy for putting 60 knots of breeze right exactly down the deck, and the skill and training of the Army aviators to feel it and make it happen.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 9:01:25 PM   
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Status: online 		On my Ike Jacket there is a badge on the right breast of the"ruptured duck". Oh yeah, your military right.




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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 9:17:38 PM   
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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 9:20:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		My father talked about the Ruptured Duck for guys getting out of the military.  He said of all the BS stuff given to him during the war, that one was the one he wanted to see the most.

I don't think the Ruptured Duck patch was being issued at the time of the Doolittle Raid (or before), so I think the plane was named after something else.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 9:53:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Warspite's thread hypothetical about what might have happened had the Japanese destroyed the fuel stores at Pearl Harbor got me to looking at the Doolittle Raid. During this excecise, I noted that one of the B-25s on the raid was named The Ruptured Duck.

What in the world is the origin or inspiration for that name, does anybody know?

And why are "ducks" such popular items for terms, e.g. "lame duck," "duck soup," "like shooting ducks in a barrell," etc.?

And, what are some of the best aircraft names from World War II? You know, Memphis Belle, Aint She Sweet, etc?

Did any other nationalities (like the Brits) name their airplanes?

Is this enough questions for a single thread?


here's one i always liked...







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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 10:19:04 PM   
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Status: online 		RAAF aircraft in the Pacific often were named, plus a lot got sharks teethas well, I'll try and find a link to something.

Those in the ETO came under RAF control and naming was less prevelant though still occured.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/10/2011 10:48:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Donald Duck was very popular at the time. He was even featured on some of the Squadriglia of the Italian Air Force.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/11/2011 12:00:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Ruptured Duck can also be seen in the movie Pearl Harbor. Donald Duck was in many "shorts" as cartoons were called back then. 2 or 3 of them would be shown before the Movietone News, then the movie. Movies were $.10 to $.25 depending on where you lived. And almost always ended by 10pm.

Other tid bits:

You worked 7 days a week in 10 to 12 hr shifts.
Cigs: $.10
Bottle of Coke: $.05
Loaf of Bread: $.03
My Grandparents morgage in Dumont, NJ: $75 month

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/11/2011 12:31:58 AM   
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Mortgages didn't go up all that much after the war.  The mortgage on my parent's house in Los Angeles was $96 a month.  They got it in 1957.  By 1980 taxes and insurance was more than their mortgage.  It didn't stop my mother complaining about it, but she's the sort of person who is convinced every cloud has a mountain in the middle of it.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/11/2011 7:10:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JWE


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If I remember to movie correctly, they practiced short take offs of the B-25s - revving to full power and trying to get the wheels off as quickly as possible. One time they got the nose up before the wheels, and drug the tail - tearing it open - hence the Ruptured Duck

If I remember right, the Ruptured Duck took off without flaps down. Lawson and Davenport were both so excited they forgot to deploy flaps. All that happened was they dipped a bit, but then they climbed right out. They were no 7 in line, so they didn't have the whole deck to work with either. What a tribute to the Navy for putting 60 knots of breeze right exactly down the deck, and the skill and training of the Army aviators to feel it and make it happen.


Thats what wiki says:

"During a practice run, Lawson scraped the bottom of his plane's tail when he rotated the nose of the bomber too high before attaining takeoff speed. The following is from Lawson's book Thirty Seconds over Tokyo (Random House pub. 1943). "One morning I came out to my plane and found that somebody had chalked the words 'RUPTURED DUCK' on the side of the fuselage."

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/12/2011 9:18:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have always loved the witty puns used on these names, and the artwork wasn't too bad either. As an artist and art teacher I'm always amazed finding examples of people with little or no art background making these sophisticated, beautiful and hilarious things simply to make themselves feel good during tough times.






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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/12/2011 9:21:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obvert, that sounds liike a pretty cool master's thesis topic for a graduate student in art history! Imagine researching and writing about Allied aircraft "plane art" from the World War II era!

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/13/2011 3:01:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree! I think so many areas of art by non-trained artists have been studied extensively, especially 'outsider art' or 'naive art' from the US.

Think of all of the time and energy used to paint up these birds knowing they might not come back the next day. It was like an act of faith, investing in your belief and hope of success and survival.

Of course painting an image of a hot girl on a plane beats sitting around in your bunk all afternoon.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/13/2011 3:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, we have at least two resident pyshcologists (or psychiatrists - I don't know the difference): NyGiants and Nemo. Perhaps they might shed some insight into the psychology of combat plane art...the whole "beauty and creativity in the face of uncertainty" aspect).

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/13/2011 11:41:16 PM   
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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/14/2011 7:15:10 AM   
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Enjoying everyone's comments immensely. I'm starting to get into Allied planes a little bit more in my model building. This thread is inspiring me to check out what decal sets may be available for nose art, or even try a hand at making my own. Always loved catching the nose art on the fighters and bombers while watching WWII documentaries.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/14/2011 1:57:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dan - I'm a counselor/therapist with only a Master's degree while Nemo is a psychiatrist with a M.D.

I think plane art can be traced back to some ancient civilization that carved females into their bow for some reason that I cannot recall. Somebody help me out here. I think it had to do with evil spirits, but I may be off track here.

For how many years have ships been referred to as females?? That was transferred over to bombers since they have sizable crews.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/14/2011 2:03:57 PM   
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Dan - I'm a counselor/therapist with only a Master's degree while Nemo is a psychiatrist with a M.D.

I think plane art can be traced back to some ancient civilization that carved females into their bow for some reason that I cannot recall. Somebody help me out here. I think it had to do with evil spirits, but I may be off track here.

For how many years have ships been referred to as females?? That was transferred over to bombers since they have sizable crews.


Not every nation/culture refers to ships as females. I remember Russians referring to their ships as males.

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RE: The Ruptured Duck - 10/15/2011 9:50:31 AM   
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Dan - I'm a counselor/therapist with only a Master's degree while Nemo is a psychiatrist with a M.D.

I think plane art can be traced back to some ancient civilization that carved females into their bow for some reason that I cannot recall. Somebody help me out here. I think it had to do with evil spirits, but I may be off track here.

For how many years have ships been referred to as females?? That was transferred over to bombers since they have sizable crews.


Not every nation/culture refers to ships as females. I remember Russians referring to their ships as males.



Wow!!!! Is that why some of them sink so often????



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