IRONMAN - SPOILER THREAD

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IRONMAN - SPOILER THREAD

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Dont look if you dont want to know

OK anyone with any direct feedback on how Ironman (either side) is playing out please post here.

p.s. I will take feedback on any AI script but I am asking specifically for Ironman feedback
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Playing Scen 10 as Allies against your evil mind.
I have no idea what the empire gets, havent looked at their side.
I have it on hard, reinforcements on +-60 days and 2 day turns(only brave men play this on PBEM!)

Only at the end of December
Lots of small CV TF's (CVL's?) roaming around the PI destroying my shipping fleeing Manila.
Lots of Betty & Zekes in the Malaya/DEI/Burma.
Late Dec the AI invaded Wuchow, never seen that in vanilla.
KB stayed 1 day and retreated via Wake Is which felll faster tha usual.
Seems a bit pushier and in NG, Rabaul etc a bit earlier.
I think China is developing for a push by the IJA.
I;m trying to sneak 18th Brit into Singapore, I've built a strongpoint at Kuala Lumpur (2 Divs+) I need the extra Division.
POW survved with 98flot pts of damage.
Lost 1 CA to KB and another to SS off Singapore but think I got an IJN CA off Batan is.

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please keep me in the loop the more I know the better v 4 will be
 
Thanks Jeff
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I forgot, An IJN TF of a DD and 3-4 TB tried to interdict a supply TF I was sending into Darwin.
Surface action in the Arafura Sea NE(map) of Gove.
Good move except for the CA and 2 CL I had withe convoy. (It was my attempt to get darwin on its feet for as long as possible)
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1st week of January 1942
Jan 1, IJN land on Midway, Tulagi & Ambon!!   -   The Midway attack needs CV support, a Vibrator Sqn has decimated the attacking fleet.
Pride of the Kriegsmarine,  the Orion happens upon one of the TF retreating from Batavia to Colombo (Why dont we use Trincomalee as our major base??)
Only problem was it was the Dutch Fleet and it wasnt a fair fight ahainst 3 CL & 7 DD.  Still did 36pts of sys damage to a DD.

Allies still hold KL & Temluloh in Malaya plus Manila & Clark Field on the PI.  No movement into Burma proper yet.
(All could fall tomorrow though[:'(])
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Through to Jan 18 42
 
At least 1, maybe 2 AMC on the lanes between SF & PH, must have moved on as I swept some CV through there on there way to PH.
 
Starting to see some CVL, CA & CL with names I dont recognise.
 
Lots of Betties, must have swapped out the Nells.
 
In the PI and Malaya my positions hold, just. (Really only KL is threatened)   3 IJA Engineer Rgts at KL make a mess of my forts but I scrape back to lvl1 each turn (2 days)
 
The "Bugger" moment of the week was 2 RN DD's which left Hong Kong for Pakhoi, scraped past Hainan Is and while heading past Hue met 2 CVL & escorts, no combat as they were out of ammo!!!!
(PS  Its very hard to hit these fast moving DD's!)
 
Now the KB should have retired and on its next task its gird the loins time.
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Thanks Jeff this is really usefull has the AI made a move south towards Rabaul or moved to flank you in Malaya ??
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I've only been mentioning things that are "odd"
 
Rabaul fell pretty easily, a large force took Lae and another group landed at Lunga. Canton Is was taken at the end of December.
 
In Malaya I have 2+ Divs at KL and 1+ Div at Temuloh.   IJA has been bashing against both at really poor odds but KL is a struggle, just sent my reserve bde from 18 Brit there.
No outflanking moves by land or sea.
 
In the PI I left 3 PA Divs and a Tk Bn at Lingayen, beat back 2 assaults by Tank Rgts but fell when Infantry turned up. I split my defence between Manila and Clark, IJA strength isnt enough to take out either. We'll see if AI supports them or I may be holding on here for a while.
 
Java is due for invasion soon, IJN CV TF are circling the island smashing any ships left behind.
 
PoW made it to Colombo, I think QEII will be in power before she leaves the docks.
 
I THINK, moves into the Solomons and Fijis are about to start and maybe something in southern Malaya or Sumatra, my airpower in the area is decimated though the subs are doing an OK job, possibles on a CA and a CVL.
 
I'm taking thisngs carefully, in fear of Scen 10, 2 day turns and trying to do it properly (lazy antiAI player sometimes)
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Hi Andy. 1st, thanks for your work on this. The AE AI is a quantum leap from the original WitP.

I have one ironman game that reached 4-'43. In this, the AI captured Geroldton & started heading south towards Perth. This seemed to be coordinated with a seaborn invasion of Perth. The invasion failed & my newly arriving armor managed to cut off the LOC of the advancing units, resulting ultimately in their demise & the recapture of Geroldton. After this the AI paid semi-regular visits to Perth for a while, damaging some ships, but not causing any serious problems. Sorry, I don't remember the timeframe for this.

Otherwise not that much out of the ordinary happened in this game. The AI made what I guess are the usual CV raids off eastern Australia. I had the 6 US CVs + 3 Brits in the area with predictable results. Any chance the AI could skip these raids or maybe send the whole KB when it decides to head south?
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Also have started a new ironman which has only reached 12-19-'41. I don't know if this is normal now or if I got a script that concentrates on China but there are numerous very large stacks of Japanese units (3+ divisions) causing mayhem in China. One is heading for the Kweilin area, possibly 4-5 divisions are adjacent to Changsha, a stack of 57K has taken Chengchow & Loyang, & there are 2 large stacks in the north, one of which is already across the river from Yenan. Fortunately, I managed to stop the units in the Ichang area.

Also I see the AI has learned the Mersing gambit [X(] I had the place mined & my torpedo bombers ready. Nevertheless I didn't really see this coming & had the Aussie 22nd Bde in strategic mode, ready to head to Singers & ship out. So the AI (1 division?) captured the place & is headed for Johore Bahru. The 22nd Bde has made it to Singers- in somewhat weakened condition.

The AI has bombed Rabaul heavily but not taken it yet. Atimonan, Davao, & San Fernando have fallen; landings at Jolo & probably Kuching; there appears to be a lot of ships north of Ambon.
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:) is that the new version of Ironman SBD ??

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It's v2 I think. I have 1106i + the latest beta installed so it's whatever version came with that. The 1st game was started quite a while ago so I assume it was v1.
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I've made it to February
 
Kuala Lumpur fell, despte IJA shock attacks at 1-19 I thought I was safish, but my losses each turn were horrendous, a couple of brigades were basically down to 0.
I have now got those men running for Singers, Temuloh holds and with only a rail line to evac down will dig in and hold up a Div+ force, a weakened Bde will try to cut IJA LOC north of KL.
 
The PI are quietish, apart from a couple of hundred Betty sorties each day, the IJA is too weak to take manila and Clark, and I'm too weak to do much about it.
 
The Guards mixed Bde attacked Midway, I think I sank the supply TF so nothing happened for a few days. then my resup and mining TFs arrived on the same day as an IJN resup TF. 2 CA's beats some motley DM & old DD's anyday (though I sank a DD)   So Midway is living off Gooney birds until the next attempt (with 3 CV in support) due to arrive in a day or 4 (2 day turns)
 
Its quiet from Hawaii to Lunga, basic early advances only.
 
I thought a major attack was coming on PM, 2 TFs came south of Milne Bay and within 2 hexex of PM and sailed home???
 
Maybe good because I had a SCTF with 3 CA, 3 CL and some DD plotting to hit PM if they went 1 more day.
 
I sent the Bird Forces and MG Bn to Koepang, silly sending bits everywhere. The IJA attack was originally held, up to 11,000 men reported attacking. I sent in 4 DD (USN Asiatic Fleet remnants) and sank 2 AK but their support which again included CA's sank 2.    Finally Koepang fell, its just so hard to get forces into this area in this timescale.
 
My Burma forces fell back to Pegu and dug in, IJA sent 55 Recce Bn across but we smashed it back, 2 days later it plus 55 Infantry Bde(Rgt) tried and it also suffered heavily from the auto assault.
 
China is a mess, I'm pulling back to the Changsha-Nanning rail, IJA everywhere and Nanning will fall soon.
 
My intel is claiming a CVL & CA sunk by subs, both with unfamiliar names, looks like the IJN got a generous helping hand, where's my goodies!!
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PM may have been a feint.....
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

PM may have been a feint.....
Oh, come on now. You've coded up feints as well now!!!! How are us poor, unsuspecting, limited IQ, AI players supposed to win now???? [:D]



Great job Andy!!!
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He's probably right, I found another SCTF slipping aound the tail of NG and got my SCTF in place, only 2 CA, 2L and 6 DD to fight my similar force.
I lost Houston & 2 DD and think I sank 3 DD, Boise suffered medium damage. The IJN rules in this type of battle in Feb 42.

There is an IJA force marching over the Owen Stanleys BUT the direction mark is aiming back at Buna??

Why does the Sumatra arrive at Soerbaja????  Half a dozen CV/CVL circling the island!!
So it did 3 raids on Bandjermasin sinking 5-6 AP/AK before heading back towards Perth, should make it for repairs on its forward guns.

Malaya Army is just about "safe" in Singapore, my hope is to survive past an IRL date, 6 days to go. ( I get the feeling that having Engineer squads sees a lot more enemy squads destroyed rather than disrupted, the IJA force in Malaya has at least 4 Engineer Rgts)

Burma is falling, Pegu fell to a Div sized force so it run for the hills.

The PI are looking shaky, couple of 1-1 in Manila but not sustained, Clark is solid.   Cebu was attacked, my USN PTBoats vailantly defended and sank a couple of AK but now are relying on their 50cals.

Koepang fell, Lautern was invaded and I could only get 2 DD there without torps but they severly damaged the SC and AK .

In China Nanning fell, Kweilin is under attack.

Midway holds, I'm scraping up some Marine Raiders/Paratroopers to reinforce, problem is these guys are good garrisons on atolls.

Great Mod, takes away some of the certainty that you get with the basic games, recommended on hard, and dont peek at the other side of the hill (I want to!!!)

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I am speaking of original IRONMAN under latest official patch (no idea what number it would be), and this is not specifically AI problem, but more initial deployment:


There are two Japanese CVEs around Kwajalein, but they are actually no match to even single US CV (heck, I accidentaly sunk one of them becuse they attacked my CV), so either there should be additional CVL/CV, or they should not begin game in this area.
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You may be surprised in V3 as to their ability to stand up to a single CV
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Moved into early March

Singapore fell 25 Feb and Bataan on 2 March, took a lot of the IJA with them and hopefully caused some delays.

Burma is odd, Pegu fell about 20 days back but no move as yet on Rangoon. Last turn Magwe came under attack. I'm slowly trickly forces back to Akyab and Mandalay.

The DEI is falling as per normal.

That "dummy" around Pt Moresby semms to have been an early raid on PM as a bit later an Invasion with more than 20k troops arrived, my SCTF which hit the dummy sortied from Cairns, Boise & 3DD all with 30 sys caught them a day out of PM and roughed up some TF's, however my heavier SCTF with 3 CA was 2 days behind and only found the IJN after the landings, sank a few AK, PB etc but too little , too late. Only minor damage but PM fell.

The IJN put in 2 raids on Christmas Is & Johnston Is, only a little damage. Christmas is now secure with 2 RCT, Arty and now a L4 airbase. Johnston is on the hind teat as I plan to use a few Bn sized forces to clear Midway.  I might break down an Inf Rgt to get a Bn there though.

I've moved my CV around to Perth, having no dea of where Andy has sent the AI, I might try to catch a couple of those CV TF swanning around Java and even up the odds.


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The Midway attack needs CV support, a Vibrator Sqn has decimated the attacking fleet.

Sorry but I have to ask: Did you add female pilots to this one Andy?
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