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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/8/2011 10:07:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGS: Has easily crossed over the Don river and are waiting on snow. The rail head is not far from the PZ HQ’s and these elements should be at full MP’s once snow fly's. I would really like to at least
Get the services of AGB.





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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/8/2011 1:38:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last turn was very disruptive for the Russians. If you can somehow finish that pocket around Moscow, especiallly after mud is over and those units never come back, there will not be a lot of Russian winter counter offensive and he will be greatly weaken to the point I wonder if his moral will crack as far as continuing the game.

Another superb campaign and yes, picking up AG B would be big as well to help sort out the command loading in the south.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/8/2011 8:21:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Last turn was very disruptive for the Russians. If you can somehow finish that pocket around Moscow, especiallly after mud is over and those units never come back, there will not be a lot of Russian winter counter offensive and he will be greatly weaken to the point I wonder if his moral will crack as far as continuing the game.

Another superb campaign and yes, picking up AG B would be big as well to help sort out the command loading in the south.



Thanks man.

I have the fuel, infantry and tanks in north.

The south has fuel and allot of mech units, but I have to get over the river.

I am thinking about moving 4 tank units to the north side and 6 more infantry divisions. I have 4 turns and can rail about 1/2 the distance so I beleive I can get them there in time.

I really have allot of breathing space every wheres and can give allot of ground if needed. Blizzard line should be 2 thick and far from the front lines.

The hole Moscow battle is a huge risk for me also, but I can win game out right with a huge pocket just before blizzard an he doent get them back which is huge.

I just have to see what he gives me to work with.

Pelton

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/8/2011 10:40:15 PM   
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Just like this married woman I dated for awhile back in the day!

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/9/2011 5:27:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are units for the picking from Moscow south to Rostov once snow hits after doing recon.

He played a near perfect game then I am not sure what he was thinking or was asleep at the wheel from turns 15 to 17.

Just because tank numbers are low and you can counter attack a few gimp units doesn't mean that the german army is to weak to run circles around the much slower red army, its called the red machine for a reason.

Pelton

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/10/2011 12:03:11 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/10/2011 7:55:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Possible raiding target for the 3 turns of winter.

Is it me or did he not so wisely only transfer factory units to Gorky?

Factorys in Moscow should be mine NP because the damaged rail is withen 5 hexes of my forward units, unless thats broken like about 50% of the rules in this game.

Also any unit bagged now is gone and has to be bought for a price. His forses around Moscow seem really weak so the huge pocket is still doable. Hes still got most of his forses fasing west as he did before.

As for raiding I dont really have to take the hex only attack it to hvly damage production in the hex.




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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/10/2011 10:17:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Game is on hold unitl the 4x fort decay rate gets fixed and rail repair rules.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/11/2011 4:13:08 AM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Pavel's given us a fix for this. I'm not sure how soon it will be put out to the public, possibly tomorrow, possibly not till Monday. His patch notes stated:

- Fixed fort decay rate to match the table




One bug fixed, now we wait on the rail repair bug.

Pelton

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/19/2011 8:53:15 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/22/2011 12:32:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 22
38 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 112,000
Hiwis in pool = 150,000
German Men in pool= 210,000
Russian Dead = 2,785,000

Moscow is cut off with 7 armament points and allot or all the aircraft factorys. This should really help during 42-43 as far as air war. The manpower hit will help for the short run anyways. Pre 1.05 games it was about 12k per turn hit, not sure what it will be now.

The amazing thing about this game if I take Moscow, I will have taken Leningrad, Moscow, Tula, Kursk,Kharkov,Stalino and Rostov and still just barely make 3 million kia russians.

45 bagged armaments is probably enough. I will still need to get through winter and have a good 42 summer.

M60 has done good to keep his army intact.

Citys seem to mean little to nothing to him. Not sure if they mean anything in game?

The evac and run tactis at its best I guess.





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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/22/2011 12:33:43 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/22/2011 12:34:09 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/22/2011 2:59:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing that is going to hurt him the most in the short term is those units are gone for good.

You are very close to getting Army group B activation I think.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/22/2011 10:32:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Klydon

The thing that is going to hurt him the most in the short term is those units are gone for good.

You are very close to getting Army group B activation I think.


It is active.

I meet all my goals then some for 41 summer.

Leningrad, Moscow, AGB more then 40 armament points and 3 million kia.

His army is still large 5 million going into blizzard. The question is it a strong 5 million or a weak 5 million?

We will see how blizzard goes. Some poeple are very good at attacking during blizzard and some not so hot.

First 4 turns of blizzard will give me a good idea how spring and summer of 42 will go.

Pelton

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/23/2011 11:40:14 PM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 23
45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 102,000
Dead = 2,917,000

Moscow finished off.

Time to get rdy for my ass kicking the next 12 turns heheheh

Was a good summer not great but good. I thk I am min armament range and with all the new exp from Kamils game 42 summer will be fun.

Now I can only hope for a good Blizzard.

Blizzards generally range from 500,000 to 1,000,000 KIA Germans.

I do have a line far from the front rdy lets see if I can get to it in good shape.






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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/23/2011 11:40:52 PM   
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I love army Group B.

Should help allot with supplys ect.

Pelton






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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/24/2011 2:04:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 25
45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 101,000
German Manpower in pool= 192,000

Summer of 41 was good. Enemy losses were 3 million, destoryed armaments 45 and bagged allot of aircraft factorys in Moscow. Air war is going good so far and with hit to Russian production in this area I expect to have control of the air through 43, which will help greatly come summer of 42. With the taking of Moscow M60 has suffered a good hit to manpower for a while.

Blizzard begins: 17 85+ morale Panzer divisions are under cover. Another 4 are one turn from cover for winter. All these units are withen striking distance of the fort line.

6 85+ morale infantry units are under cover with another 6 which should be under cover shortly.

All units are falling back to the fort line. The only area that M60 is close to fort line is around Stalino. I have extra units in area and am putting 1st panzer army to work.
I have 3 lines deep of units I am hoping to hold fort line for a few turns. I am expecting lines down here to be near D+Z town by March. I would really like to see a bubble in this area seeing my rails are close and would make for an easy area to pocket units come snow. M60 has committed allot of good units down here so should make for some fun hehehe.

AGN and AGC have allot of hexes to give up and allot of tank support close by so I am hoping the lines hold over all and I just don't get units pocketed.

Goals for Blizzard are less then 750,000 KIA and to keep 16+ panzer divisions under cover and 12 infantry divisions during Blizzard.

If I am able to hold these units back of which most are at 85% plus TOE alrdy I should have a really good snow offensive.

Hope for the best plan for the worst.

Totals:
GHC-KIA: 633,000
SHC-KIA: 2,989,000

This Last turn:
GHC-KIA:
SHC-KIA:


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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/24/2011 8:26:23 PM   
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45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 112,000
German Manpower in pool= 250,000

Last turn:——attacks——- won——-lost
SHC—————19————18———-1
GHC—————0————--0———-0

GHC-KIA: 78,000
SHC-KIA: 38,000

Low loses for first turn of Blizzard and no ones in danger of being cut off yet.
Armaments are increasing so that’s good for spring.
Most armor is under cover other then 1st PZ.
2 Infantry corp under cover with 2 corp more about to be under cover.

I retreat another 1 to 3 hexes allong 85% of the front towards the fort line.








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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/25/2011 11:06:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Moves Turn 27
45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 125,000
German Manpower in pool= 330,000

All of Panzer Gruops 2,3 and 4 are under cover or withen 1 hex of cover.
12 Infantry divisions are also under cover with another 6 in route.

Panzer gruops 2-4 are starting to refit.

Reserves are being moved to south jumping from city to city.

Turn 2 of blizzard complete.

Last turn:——attacks——- won——-lost
SHC—————22———--—21———-1
GHC—————0————--0———-0

GHC-KIA: 79,000
SHC-KIA: 26,000

Another good turn. All the SHC attacks happened from Kharkov south.
The strategy of building a January fort line and falling back to it seems to be working very good so far.
I with drew from Moscow because it really means nothing, other then the manpower hit M60 takes. The manpower will rebuild, but after the critical 42 summer so its importance is trivial now. Any manpower centers you take as the German will rebuild, its doent matter if you hold the city or not.

The #1 consern of GHC is the moral of the German army.
Losses for the GHC or SHC mean next to nothing in the long run, unless you have really screwed up. The russian army will number 8 million one way or the other by early 43, by design. SHC moral means little because by design it will rise slowly no matter what you do as German.

To win in the long run GHC moral and how many armament pts you have been able to destroy is all that matters. The only thing you can control is your moral. The higher you can get your moral by late 42 the longer it will take for the SHC to grind you down.

OKH is now planning 42 spring offensives and plans on a 43 and 44 fort line are being finished.





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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/25/2011 11:07:20 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/25/2011 11:07:49 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/26/2011 12:14:35 AM   
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I have been around a long time here , this might be the AAR I have enjoyed the most  ...
GREAT AAR guys on both sides, and a good idea of the game streangth and weaknesses... again BRAVO

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/26/2011 12:26:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Freeboy. M60 is good.

My AAR's suck compaired to most, but I try.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/26/2011 12:35:04 AM   
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what kind of shape is your oil stocks, fuel, in???

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/26/2011 1:23:03 AM   
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If it is not a trade secret, are your air doctrine settings? Do you change them moving into the Spring of 42? I am in a tight PBEM fight as Axis at Turn 56 now.
Thanks

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/26/2011 11:12:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wadortch

Hello Pelton.
If it is not a trade secret, are your air doctrine settings? Do you change them moving into the Spring of 42? I am in a tight PBEM fight as Axis at Turn 56 now.
Thanks


I basicly have same set-ups as Katza, but I keep ground support on most of the time. Some poeple try to save bomber, but they are basicly junk and ways after 41 so I use them allot while they can do damage during 41. During 42 the same.

160 to 200 interecpt setting.

The rest are
100 bombing
200 escort

I also generally keep airbases 7 to 10 hexes from front.

During 42 I will turn off the ground support setting and manually do it, atleast until I can break out.

I also am now puttong th ME-110 on night fighter missions.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/26/2011 11:17:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 28
45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 128,000
German Manpower in pool= 360,000

Last turn:——attacks——- won——-lost
SHC—————22————18———-4
GHC—————0————--0———-0

GHC-KIA: 107,000
SHC-KIA: 46,000

Again almost all the fighting south of Kursk. Much better turn for M60, but still a little lower then the average December turn of 120,000. He did manage to bag 1 Finnish Brigade.
Next turn my CV come up a little.







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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/27/2011 12:10:34 AM   
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45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 140,000
German Manpower in pool= 420,000

Last turn:——attacks——- won——-lost
SHC—————24————21———-3
GHC—————0————--0———-0

GHC-KIA: 84,000
SHC-KIA: 48,000

With the coming of January loses are light again.

Pelton

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/27/2011 12:23:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 30
45 ARM
German Arm PTs in pool= 150,000
German Manpower in pool= 461,000

Last turn:——attacks——- won——-lost
SHC—————25————21———-4

GHC-KIA: 61,000
SHC-KIA: 34,000

So far I have not had to commit and of my infantry reserves, but I did have truoble finding winter quarters and not enough rail to get them all under cover until January 1. Panzer gruops 2,3 and 4 are all under cover and 90+ toe, they have counter attacked this turn, but attack then return to winter quarters.
Panzer units housed in city’s near the front come out to play. The GHC conducts 12 counter attacks causing 27,000 losses to the enemy and only suffer 4500 losses as most of the counter attacks cause routes. Over all morale remains high with in all ranks of the German army. Model and the 1st Corp is moved to AGS area of operations. 18th army will be fitted out with 4 corp 4 divisions per corp, poineers and Stugs allot of guns and 82-90 morale units. Should make for an interesting summer. Plans are being draw up for snow operations.





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