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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/23/2011 12:41:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		AGS: After resting for 2 turns and fueling up 1st PZ strikes north to Kursk and cuts off 50ish units. Also LVI from AGN arrives and thrusts through the front near Kursk to close the pocket. Another 2 pz corps move into area from AGC to help seal the pocket next turn.

I am sure the pocket can be opened next turn, but none of the units will be able to get out.

I have another turn of good MP's then the following turn I can use airdrops. I save air drops for 3rd turn after breaking into the open. This gives me 3 turns of good MP's

At this point M60 will get very little for arriving new units for a few turns.
I have pressure all along the front so he will have to give me something some wheres.

I have 1 full PZ corps still to arrive from AGN and 18th army will be pushing towards Moscow soon.

Option in the south are to swing north behind Moscow or swing south behind Stalino.

I am still very close to railheads so HQ build-ups are an option on turn 12 to 14 for a final thrust.

Units have begun digging the January fort line.




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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/23/2011 12:41:35 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/23/2011 12:59:46 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/23/2011 2:07:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Id say in the center just make your main objective to destroy and surround units, and feint towards some cities, just to get im to spend railcap

i almost want to say the same thing about Moscow, id say capturing his units > taking the city, although it'd be nice winter quarters, but if you dont remove enough equipment now, hell hurt you in winter anyway and have a carpet down next summer then it will be stalemate again, i dont think Remington a few % of production will matter


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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/23/2011 7:23:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am alrdy building a January line, it be 3 line thick, back from front.

As far as next summer goes, Kamil vs Pelton was pre 1.05 so cant really use that as anything post-1.05.

I beleive I will be able to grind his fort wall come snow turns before clear turns, then also in clear turns as with peeps I have toasted in 42. I could be wrong, but I thk I now have a very good idea what needs to be done to win as German 1.05.

Also your idea of pocketing units first is the right thing to do, but I think 18th can grind to Moscow. I try and pocket at the edges and drain off units.

I will also hit drop every manpower point I can. It will not really matter in long run, but short run it will hurt him.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/24/2011 7:04:55 PM   
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33 ARM 10HQ
Arm PTs in pool= 85500
Hiwis= 94000
Men in pool= 233,000
Dead = 1,683,000
83,000 this turn.

AGN: Cut off a few more units. I am going to push deeper in the north then normal.







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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/24/2011 7:05:24 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/24/2011 7:05:57 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/24/2011 7:06:25 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/24/2011 7:12:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		He looks surprisingly thin around Moscow, is your screenshot after recon?

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/24/2011 8:46:34 PM   
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He looks surprisingly thin around Moscow, is your screenshot after recon?


Not necessarily If he is using the recon planes, he should know there are no Panzers in the vicinity. I guess he is massing his forces around the Panzer spearheads (not in Moscow that is).


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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/25/2011 3:53:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
Not necessarily If he is using the recon planes, he should know there are no Panzers in the vicinity. I guess he is massing his forces around the Panzer spearheads (not in Moscow that is).


I don't know what kind of recon planes you're getting, but mine certainly cannot ID where all of the panzers are, so how can you be so sure? Moreover, he can shift plenty of panzers all the way across the map in one turn via rail, so the fact that none are there at the moment is hardly a reason to deprive Moscow of defenses.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/27/2011 1:35:24 AM   
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33 ARM 10HQ
Arm PTs in pool= 81000
Hiwis= 98000
Men in pool= 244,000
Dead = 1,857,000
174,000 this turn.



























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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/27/2011 1:37:11 AM   
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33 ARM 10HQ
Arm PTs in pool= 81000
Hiwis= 98000
Men in pool= 244,000
Dead = 1,857,000
174,000 this turn.





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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/27/2011 1:37:53 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/27/2011 1:38:25 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/27/2011 1:39:00 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/29/2011 12:54:45 PM   
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36 ARM 13HQ
Arm PTs in pool= 76000
Hiwis= 106000
Men in pool= 244,000
Dead = 2,122,311
266,000 this turn.

Close to 500,000 KIA the last few turns. I am getting much better at switching over from bagging production to bagging men and equipement. Got the Red Machine down to 41,000 guns. This is my 3rd game after 1.05 and I think I only have a little tweaking to do now.

Now if I can just figure out how to transfer units around I might even know wth I am doing.

AGN: I guess we are not done up here another 10 units cut off and pushing for Moscow from North west.
Good gains in land that will be very hard to push me out of.






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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/29/2011 12:55:22 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/29/2011 12:55:59 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/29/2011 12:56:31 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/30/2011 9:48:43 AM   
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36 ARM 14HQ
German Arm PTs in pool= 75000
Hiwis= 123000
German Men in pool= 200,000
Dead = 2,237,805
116,000 this turn.

AGN: Pocket is finished off and units drive SE towards Moscow. They will try and pocket what they can or reach Moscow, winter lines are being built behind front.







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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/30/2011 9:49:22 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/30/2011 9:49:53 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 10/30/2011 9:50:25 AM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/5/2011 1:36:00 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/5/2011 1:37:09 PM   
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Been able to pocket allot of units, but I am still a long ways from 3 million kia.

Winter lines are being dug while the main part of army pushes east. I have a chance at a huge pocket around Moscow. I am guessing M60 will keep pulling out before I can close the basket.

HQ's are withen HQ build-up range so I have the gas, but my armor is finally starting to suffer the effects of the constant fighting.

IF i get a breakthrough i can easyly close the basket, but M60 has been layering his defences and so far I have not been able to do much more then crack a line or 2 a turn. Hes got 3 or 4 lines of defences. Hes doing a very good job of giving up land, but bleeding me as I gain ground and not letting me have a major break through.

I don't think I have had any major screw ups on my side, but M60 has not had any on his side.

Been a very good game so far.

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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/5/2011 1:38:11 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/5/2011 1:38:53 PM   
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RE: M60 vs Pelton - 11/8/2011 10:04:23 AM   
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36 ARM 17HQ
German Arm PTs in pool= 40,000
Hiwis= 140000
German Men in pool= 208,000
Dead = 2,569,396
104,396 this turn.


AGN: The effects of 18th army is being felt north of Moscow as German units drive east only 10 miles from the city. 36th Mech goes on a joy ride and cuts off the city meeting up with elements of Mansteins PZ corp that has just crossed the Oka River at 2 spots with 4 divisions. HQ units of the 39th and 41 PZ corps have 1100+
Of fuel in stock after last turns HQ build-ups, so as soon as mud ends they be at 40ish MP’s and elements of the 18th will be at the front to smash and defences the red should put up. All units in this army have atleast 1 pioneer and allot of guns in HQ’s.

AGC has managed to recross the Oka, but this turn with much stronger elements of Mansteins corp.
The railhead is only 13 hexes from PZ HQ’s. One HQ is full from a late turn HQ build-up.
So again all elements of this army will have max MP’s when mud ends.





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