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Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 7:24:57 PM   
Joel Billings


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Status: offline 		Here's a sneak peak at our first draft map data for the area around Leningrad in our new War in Europe map. We are creating a map of Europe that will be used for our series of games (next up is War in the West 43-45). Eventually you'll see it used for the east front again. Notice there is more heavy forest than in WitE (the darker green). This map data is being created by Jason Petho. We're excited to have him working on the map. Although Pavel helped create a very realistic map of the Soviet Union for WitE, there were some distortion issues we couldn't get around due to the way the projection was originally done. Although no flat map will ever be accurate given a round world, we think Jason's projection decisions will minimize the distortion issues and ultimately give us an even better map for the WiE series. We think WitE is the best, most accurate map of the Soviet Union that Gary's ever had in one of his east front games, but we expect the WiE map will be even better. Remember the map you see is only an alpha map being used for the data and initial alpha testing. Eventually we expect the map to be fully painted like the map in WitE.




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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 8:27:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems great! Thanks for posting this and paying attention to these things and listening to us on the forum!

Edit: It seems to me that hex size is the same as in WITE, but different projection, or...?

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 8:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Joel, Great stuff. Looking forward to another addition to a real good game. Thanks for the info

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 8:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks fantastic. From a glance, is the second brown line the Finnish no-attack line, or just the old state border? If so, it seems significantly less deep into Russia then the one in WiTE, and would make it tougher for the Germans to reach (a good thing to my mind.)

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 8:58:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Awesome!

Once that project is done, all you have to do is somehow merge that with WITP-AE....along with a full global production system.

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 9:32:16 PM   
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Awesome!

Once that project is done, all you have to do is somehow merge that with WITP-AE....along with a full global production system.



Honestly, I don't think it would be at all possible to play through that even if you started a s toddler. :)

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 10:03:31 PM   
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Looks fantastic. From a glance, is the second brown line the Finnish no-attack line, or just the old state border? If so, it seems significantly less deep into Russia then the one in WiTE, and would make it tougher for the Germans to reach (a good thing to my mind.)



Not exactly sure, but I think it is the 1939 border.

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/13/2011 10:08:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any chance of a peek from the west side of the combined map?

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 5:36:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't that a lot of clear (pink) terrain right in front of Lenigrad leading up to the city hex? I'm not sure that in real life that terrain is clear, or in any way tank-friendly. Making it clear for game purposes is going to make Leningrad really hard to hold on to against a frontal assault.


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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 10:11:38 AM   
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Not exactly sure, but I think it is the 1939 border.


It seems to be very close to Finnish original borderline (or as close you can get in flat and hex based map) before one million Soviet Soldier stormed over that border in Winter War 1939-40.

Then border was chanced again in Continuation war 41-44 and current modern borderline was negotiated back at 44 after Soviet 1944 summer offensive against Finland was repulsed.


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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 2:44:48 PM   
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Eventually you'll see it used for the east front again


Does this mean you eventually intend to create a game with both european fronts represented?

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 4:22:57 PM   
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Eventually you'll see it used for the east front again


Does this mean you eventually intend to create a game with both european fronts represented?


They should, and if they do, I predict the game will be wildly successful. There wouldn't be one WWII buff out there that would dare not buy it! GG and Matrix will become WARGAME GODS! LOL.

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 5:28:18 PM   
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Maybe you shoul listen to this:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2688989

When I remember correctly they plan is to make War in th West, than War in Afrika and than War in Europe

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Eventually you'll see it used for the east front again


Does this mean you eventually intend to create a game with both european fronts represented?


They should, and if they do, I predict the game will be wildly successful. There wouldn't be one WWII buff out there that would dare not buy it! GG and Matrix will become WARGAME GODS! LOL.



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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 6:26:27 PM   
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They should, and if they do, I predict the game will be wildly successful. There wouldn't be one WWII buff out there that would dare not buy it! GG and Matrix will become WARGAME GODS! LOL.


That is their final goal integrate both fronts in one game I listened while ago some podcast about Wite developers interview.

First they realese War in the West 43 - 45 and then War in the Europe

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/14/2011 7:35:31 PM   
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Isn't that a lot of clear (pink) terrain right in front of Lenigrad leading up to the city hex? I'm not sure that in real life that terrain is clear, or in any way tank-friendly. Making it clear for game purposes is going to make Leningrad really hard to hold on to against a frontal assault.


The pink hexes seem to be city hexes, so I'm guessing you mean the white-yellowish hexes. Yes, those might make it easier to get to the city, but note that the layout of the rivers in the area is also quite different from the one in WitE, so you'll have an extra river to hide behind for part of the defending force. It could be that rough hexes are missing, however, as there are only 4 types of non-city/urban land hexes on that WiE pre-alpha map, and 5 in WitE.

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RE: Map data for War in Europe - Leningrad area - 9/18/2011 1:32:10 AM   
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Seems great btw.

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