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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/22/2015 3:32:37 PM   
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/22/2015 3:57:21 PM   
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Details after i will have small drink. My hands are shaking


I remember those turns!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/22/2015 4:10:53 PM   
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Naval phase

Only rough reports. I skipping those without story

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shimushiri-jima at 133,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-1003
MTB G-1004
MTB G-1006
MTB G-1007
MTB G-1013, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
APA Bowie
APA Highlands
APA Sarasota
APA Tazewell
APA La Porte
APA St. Mary's
APA Latimer
APA Pitt
APA Natrona
APA Drew
APA Oxford
APA Eastland
APA Telfair
APA Mountrail
APA Montrose
APA Marvin McIntyre
APA Gage
APA Noble, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
PF Annapolis
PF Ogden, Shell hits 1
PF Orange
PF Carson City


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-550
MTB G-551
MTB G-553, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Colorado, Shell hits 1
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA Euryalus
CLAA Black Prince
DE J. Douglas Blackwood
DE Darby
DE England
APA Menifee
APA Oconto
APA Laurens
AKA Aurelia
AKA Artemis
AKA Medea, heavy damage
AKA Athene
AKA Hydrus
AKA Devosa
LSV Catskill
LSV Ozark
LSV Monitor
LSD Shadwell
LSD White Marsh
LSI(L) Glenearn
LSI(L) Glengyle


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-873
MTB G-874
MTB G-875, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
MTB G-876, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Arkansas
BB New York, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
APA President Hayes
APA President Polk
APA Thomas Jefferson
APA Crescent City
APA Freestone
APA Menard
APA Fond du Lac, Shell hits 1
APA Neshoba
APA Allendale
APA Kenton
APA Kittson
APA New Kent
LSD Belle Grove
LSD Casa Grande
LSD Carter Hall
PF Eugene
PF El Paso
PF Van Buren, Shell hits 1


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Sub attack near Etorofu at 129,52

Japanese Ships
CV Unryu
CLAA Tenryu
CS Nisshin
DD Takanami
DD Niizuki
DD Asakaze
DD Kaya
DD Hamanami
DD Hayanami

Allied Ships
SS Bang, hits 2

SS Bang launches 4 torpedoes at CV Unryu


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-873
MTB G-874
MTB G-875, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
AKA Medea, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/22/2015 4:14:16 PM   
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AM air phase

Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 93 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 36
Ki-83 x 121

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Gard, Bomb hits 13, and is sunk


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ketoi-jima at 135,51

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 181
B7A2 Grace x 164
D4Y2 Judy x 16
D4Y4 Judy x 139

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 21
Seafire L.III x 48
F4U-1A Corsair x 19
F4U-1D Corsair x 136
F6F-3 Hellcat x 80
F6F-5 Hellcat x 74

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 6 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 47 destroyed, 11 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 35 destroyed, 11 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 8 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire L.III: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Franklin
CV West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Randolph, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVE Shamrock Bay, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DE Riley, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Savo Island, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Munda, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Santee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

DE Metivier
CVL Unicorn, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires

CV Shangri-La, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVL Independence
CLAA Flint
CVE Matanikau, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVL Bataan
DE Thomas F. Nickel
DE Holt, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Essex
DE Hodges, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CV Enterprise
DE George A. Johnson, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shasukotan at 137,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 82
B7A2 Grace x 59
D4Y4 Judy x 34

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 24
Hellcat F.II x 21
Seafire IIC x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
F4U-1A Corsair x 50
F6F-3 Hellcat x 58

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 33 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 15 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Natoma Bay
DE Lloyd E. Acree
CVE Attu
CVE Cape Esperance
CVE Manila Bay, Kamikaze hits 1
CVE Ommaney Bay
CVE Activity, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage




And allied counter


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 133,50

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 245

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 61
F6F-3 Hellcat x 50
F6F-5 Hellcat x 44
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 42
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 12
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 39
TBF-1 Avenger x 8
TBM-1C Avenger x 37
TBM-3 Avenger x 91

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 5 destroyed, 10 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 7 destroyed, 6 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 29 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Katsuragi
CV Amagi, Bomb hits 2
CV Kaga
CV Soryu
CV Hiryu
CVE Unyo
CVL Chiyoda, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVE Taiyo
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CV Shokaku
CV Ikoma
CVL Zuiho
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Chuyo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires

CV Kasagi
CV Unryu, Bomb hits 1
CV Akagi


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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/22/2015 4:23:06 PM   
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PM air phase

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ketoi-jima at 135,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 167
B7A2 Grace x 44
D4Y2 Judy x 10
D4Y4 Judy x 44

Allied aircraft
Seafire L.III x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 8
F4U-1D Corsair x 130
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5
F6F-5 Hellcat x 59

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 16 destroyed, 8 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed by flak
D4Y2 Judy: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 23 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire L.III: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV West Virginia
CV Indefatigable
CVL Independence, Kamikaze hits 1
CV Enterprise
CV Shangri-La
CVL San Jacinto
CVL Bataan
CV Randolph
CV Bennington
CV Essex, Bomb hits 2



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shasukotan at 137,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 112 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 35
B7A2 Grace x 18
D4Y4 Judy x 26

Allied aircraft
Hellcat F.II x 10
Seafire IIC x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 30
F6F-3 Hellcat x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 11 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Nehenta Bay
CVE Ameer
CVE Manila Bay, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage




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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 133,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 180

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 57
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
F6F-5 Hellcat x 42
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 42
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 12
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 33
TBM-1C Avenger x 15
TBM-3 Avenger x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 20 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 12 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 16 destroyed, 5 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 4 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CV Zuikaku
CV Unryu
CV Soryu
CV Akagi
CVL Chiyoda, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Kaga
CV Ikoma
CV Hiryu
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Kasagi
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CV Shokaku
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1, on fire




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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 133,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 36
Ki-83 x 107

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 8
F4U-1D Corsair x 27
F6F-3 Hellcat x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 15 destroyed, 1 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1, Kamikaze hits 2
BB Colorado
LSD Shadwell, Bomb hits 1, on fire


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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/22/2015 4:37:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu
KB move toward Shimushiri-jima but some of allied carriers also. An we exchange fire.
At the end i will cal it tactical tie but small strategic allied victory.

Your analysis is wrong here. Give yourself more credit! This was a strategic victory. If the Allies don't manage to wrest control of the seas from you they will lose 50k soldiers. Trading blows like you just did will have a much greater effect on the Allies. Especially because I think you got rather lucky on which ships where hit. You have LBA here the Allies do not. And you do not have to go back far to take replacements; the KB can be back in just a couple of days I bet while the Allies need to go back to Alaska for that. I think Allies will really be hurting to provide CAP now over the beaches.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 12:32:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu

quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

good plan!




It was not good plan


No, I think the plan was sound. The result might not have been optimal, but I wouldn't call it bad. As others have noted, if you stopped him from supporting the landing then strategically you won. If you are able to oust him from the beachhead, then tactically and strategically you win.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 4:36:41 AM   
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Thanks for support.
I did not sent turn. I needed one day to rethink next moves.
Also it looks that another AC TF ~250 planes is moving toward Marcus Island.
I am air lifting more troops there


And about KB. If i retreat KB without loses, I should be able to replace planes and pilots in 48-72h. And for sure few days to rebuild morale. I should have 900 planes in service.
Enough to keep Docup nervous.

It all depend what Docup will do. If he stay, it will be difficult to reinforce island garrison. If he retreat to lick wounds i will try to unload another ID and some Arty and AT guns.

Difficult times in front of me

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 7:33:37 AM   
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Boring in job so i am making summary of two last days. Only combat ships

Lost planes: Japan 1000, Allies 500 planes

Japan
CV Taiho, Torpedo hits 1
CV Amagi, Bomb hits 2
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CV Unryu, Bomb hits 1
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVL Chiyoda, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Taiyo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Chuyo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 17
DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 5 , on fire
DD Tokitsukaze, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Michishio, Shell hits 2
DD Arashio, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
E No.138, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
E No.207, Shell hits 13, and is sunk

Allies
CV West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Randolph, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Shangri-La, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Essex, Bomb hits 2
CVL Independence, Kamikaze hits 1
CVL Unicorn, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CVE Roi, Kamikaze hits 1
CVE Rajah, Kamikaze hits 1,Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Fanshaw Bay, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Liscome Bay, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Tracker, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE White Plains, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Tulagi, Bomb hits 4, on fire
CVE Hoggatt Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Kitkun Bay, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Kadashan Bay, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CVE Shamrock Bay, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Savo Island, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Munda, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Santee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Matanikau, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Manila Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Activity, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arkansas, Torpedo hits 1
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 2, Bomb hits 1, Kamikaze hits 2
BB Richelieu, Bomb hits 1
BB New York, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Arkansas, Bomb hits 2
CB Alaska, Bomb hits 1
CB Guam, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BC Renown, Torpedo hits 1
CA Quincy, Shell hits 1, Bomb hits 1
CA Tuscaloosa, Shell hits 9
CL Pasadena, Shell hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Wilkes-Barre, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Vicksburg, Shell hits 28, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CLAA Argonaut, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Howorth, Shell hits 1
DE George A. Johnson, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Izard, Shell hits 1
DD Killen, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Irwin, Shell hits 1
DD Laws, Shell hits 1
DD McKee, Shell hits 3
DD Owen, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD William Porter, Shell hits 2
DD Porterfield, Shell hits 2
DD Preston II, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Foreman, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Paul G. Baker, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Currier, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Conklin, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Riley, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DE Holt, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Hodges, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA Mellette, Torpedo hits 1
APA Effingham, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA LaGrange, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
APA Rawlins, Bomb hits 1, on fire
APA Haskell, Torpedo hits 1
APA Noble, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
AKA Medea, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
LSI(M) Prince Henry, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
LSD Shadwell, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PF San Pedro, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PF Coronado, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
PF Glendale, Shell hits 1

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 3:43:57 PM   
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Any idea what kind of CV and CVE assets the Allies would have left available at this point? I recall Docup losing many CVs earlier so I'm curious what he has left available right now.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 4:00:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Any idea what kind of CV and CVE assets the Allies would have left available at this point? I recall Docup losing many CVs earlier so I'm curious what he has left available right now.


Estimated total power of allied carrier planes is 3000+ planes.
But most of that are CVE. On CV it should be less that 1500 planes total


In battle area i believe even 1000+ still operational.



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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 4:32:43 PM   
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I agree with Pax and Sangell. +1

It always hurts to lose ships as Japan, but you have done really great. You came out well ahead I think.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/23/2015 5:04:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Any idea what kind of CV and CVE assets the Allies would have left available at this point? I recall Docup losing many CVs earlier so I'm curious what he has left available right now.


Estimated total power of allied carrier planes is 3000+ planes.
But most of that are CVE. On CV it should be less that 1500 planes total


In battle area i believe even 1000+ still operational.

That estimate of total Allied CV capacity being 3,000 seems a bit high unless you are counting damaged ships. 1,000 left in the battlefield seems more appropriate I think. If that's the case then Docup has already lost around half his strength in damaged and sunk ships.

What are you doing to aid your ground units in the battle? Are you flying in reinforcements yet? You probably can't get much through but a critical moment like this every little bit helps. All you really need to do is hold off until the Allies pull back which can't be much longer now.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/24/2015 3:41:21 AM   
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I hate to say it, but I think you need to stick around. Here's my thinking:
Allies have only two choices here:

push forward, support the landings and get more supply/troops off-loaded

OR

Bail.

If he bails, he is several days transit each way, so at least a week or more. You are only a day or two. Meaning you can be back long before he can.

You have to wait and see what he does. Consolidate groups from damaged CV's and get those back to RSY's. Re-balance your TF's as best you can, bring up more LBA, continue to get more troops moving to the area. Don't get distracted by Marcus ... it is unessential. This landing is where you can punish him some more.

If he comes forward, you need to be able to resist. I would not allow him to reinforce the landing unimpeded.

If he leaves, you leave the next day. You will be back 2 or 3 days before he possibly can and during that time your LBA should be pounding his troops and you should be landing more in addition to strengthening the area and getting MORE LBA assets in place.

Just my thoughts, use them as you see fit.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/25/2015 10:56:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


If he leaves, you leave the next day. You will be back 2 or 3 days before he possibly can and during that time your LBA should be pounding his troops and you should be landing more in addition to strengthening the area and getting MORE LBA assets in place.



I already air transport there 36 47mm AT guns and 18 75mm arty guns. Next turn i will start air transporting infantry.
I have also full ID on ships ready to transport there but i need few days without DS for that.

I have problem with LBA bombers to attack beachhead. They simply refuse to fly because of weather




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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/25/2015 5:00:59 PM   
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Another hideous battle for Docup... gee he plays like a soviet general throwing his troops forward with no regard for losses.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 2:05:13 AM   
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I have problem with LBA bombers to attack beachhead. They simply refuse to fly because of weather




I believe that is a Leadership roll (might be aggression?)... check your air group leader stats make sure it is > 60

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 9:52:01 AM   
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quote:

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I have problem with LBA bombers to attack beachhead. They simply refuse to fly because of weather




I believe that is a Leadership roll (might be aggression?)... check your air group leader stats make sure it is > 60


In this case it was weather. Thunderstorms over Ominato and Hokadate for last 3 days

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 10:01:52 AM   
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Spoiler alert

I trying to imagine like last turn will look in real world.
And i find this. What it have common with last turn. Point-blank range, battleships and violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd5MqjvhW9c


Report in few minutes

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 10:31:40 AM   
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11 March 1945

I have ordered KB to retreat Wast. I plan to rearm and replace loses and be back in combat in 4 days. Most damaged ships where send to separate TF with order to try move toward Hokkaido.

Major piece of KB manage to move safely East and now they are undetected near Kushiro. Tomorrow they arrive to home port and will refuel, rearm and replace planes.

Sadly CVL Chiyoda sunk last turn. I have also two CVEs half way from Hokkaido. One if avoid subs will be safe. Second will probably sunk tomorrow (heavy damage and huge fires).

To secure retret of KB, I have send BB SAG and lot of MTB toward allied fleet.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shimushiri-jima at 133,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 3
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Hatsushima

Allied Ships
BB Colorado, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DE Darby, Shell hits 5, and is sunk



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Lack of escort????

Night Time Surface Combat, near Shimushiri-jima at 133,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-7
MTB G-547
MTB G-885
MTB G-886
MTB G-1003

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Shell hits 4
LSD Shadwell, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LSI(L) Glenearn, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LSI(L) Glengyle, Shell hits 3


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ketoi-jima at 134,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-840
MTB G-1006
MTB G-1018
MTB G-1019, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Shell hits 1
LSI(L) Glengyle, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk



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What a tasty target. Sadly manage to retreat before single shot was fired

Night Time Surface Combat, near Ketoi-jima at 134,51, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Hatsushima

Allied Ships
CLAA Euryalus
CLAA Black Prince
DE J. Douglas Blackwood
DE England
APA Menifee
APA Oconto
APA Laurens
AKA Aurelia
AKA Artemis
AKA Athene
AKA Hydrus
AKA Devosa
LSV Catskill
LSV Ozark
LSV Monitor
LSD White Marsh


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ketoi-jima at 134,51, Range 1,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 17 (small caliber hits)
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Hatsushima

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Shell hits 28, and is sunk


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ketoi-jima at 135,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
MTB G-1004
MTB G-1013
MTB G-1015
MTB G-1016, Shell hits 1
MTB G-1017

Allied Ships
CL Wilkes-Barre, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD William Porter


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Finally BBs meet destiny. Out of ammo, after night of combat they try to retreat.
But fletchers don`t give up. DDs try to screen battleships but at the end they fail.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Ketoi-jima at 134,51, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Ise, Shell hits 16, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

DD Murasame
DD Samidare, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Hatsushima

Allied Ships
DD Gatling, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Albert Grant, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

DD Watts
DD Wren, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage


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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 10:43:01 AM   
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BBs after battle. They are near Shimushiri-jima and will need to ronn for live.
Sadly Ise is capable only for 6kn at full speed and even if survive for him war is over. 9 months is dry dock is optimistic





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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 10:59:42 AM   
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Nice outcome!!!


BANZAI!!!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 11:15:59 AM   
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Criminal task force composition by the Allies in 1945. The mind boggles. Heads should roll in the American Admiralty.

In this case, I guess they sank.


Unbelievable turn of events. Glory to the Emperor!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 11:16:47 AM   
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So day start.

Again bombers dont attack enemy troops on Shimushiri-jima.
Another wave of bpmbers attack allid fleet. But enemy CAP was strong but not as strong as expected.
Docup was only able to send barely 170 fighters over main CV TF

What is interesting all allied ships are fleeing East. His fleet is spread on 1000 miles.
Also what i see are two CV TF. It looks like ~400 fighters and 200 bombers total.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Paramushiro-jima at 141,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 51
J2M5 Jack x 30
Ki-84r Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
Seafire L.III x 14
F4U-1A Corsair x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 99
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
F6F-5 Hellcat x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 22 destroyed, 2 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed by flak
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Independence
CV West Virginia
CV Franklin


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Paramushiro-jima at 141,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 24
J2M5 Jack x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
Seafire L.III x 14
F4U-1A Corsair x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 95
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
F6F-5 Hellcat x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 12 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire L.III: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shasukotan at 137,52

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 21

Allied aircraft
Hellcat F.II x 21
Seafire IIC x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 45
F6F-3 Hellcat x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 11 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Natoma Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
only hit of day

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shasukotan at 137,52

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 40

Allied aircraft
Hellcat F.II x 20
Seafire IIC x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 41
F6F-3 Hellcat x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 17 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Ommaney Bay
CVE Cape Esperance
CVE Nehenta Bay
CVE Attu


There was few more attacks but they dont get trough CAP



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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 11:21:16 AM   
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Criminal task force composition by the Allies in 1945. The mind boggles. Heads should roll in the American Admiralty.

In this case, I guess they sank.


Unbelievable turn of events. Glory to the Emperor!



I believe in this case Docup have no chose.
I believe Docup left those BBs behind. They where heavily damaged. Both eat TTs earlier.
Both with critical damaged from fuel or ammo explosion. they probably was not able to move fast enough to catch with main fleet so Docup sacrifice them so save other ships.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 11:24:29 AM   
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And groun battle.
Allies bring hammer. Not sure how long i will hold.
What is good. Forts hold, so maybe i will hold few more days

Ground combat at Shimushiri-jima (132,51)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 46950 troops, 855 guns, 1210 vehicles, Assault Value = 1900

Defending force 23545 troops, 233 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 676

Allied adjusted assault: 484

Japanese adjusted defense: 1661

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3181 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 249 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 53 (20 destroyed, 33 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1258 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 40 (1 destroyed, 39 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)



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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 11:29:06 AM   
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2015 11:56:21 AM   
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Well, he is bailing out. Get your reinforcements in quick. Bombardment TF's will help during poor weather. You will have to stage your xAKE's in Etorfu (or your biggest port up there depending what you have built up) to rearm the TF's. IIRC, Aden converted will rearm your 36cm guns .. can't remember if they rearm the 40cm on the Nagato's or not ...

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2015 6:31:04 AM   
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Well, he is bailing out. Get your reinforcements in quick. Bombardment TF's will help during poor weather. You will have to stage your xAKE's in Etorfu (or your biggest port up there depending what you have built up) to rearm the TF's. IIRC, Aden converted will rearm your 36cm guns .. can't remember if they rearm the 40cm on the Nagato's or not ...


Aden class AKE can rearm all expect Yamato.
I have one sailing there, should be in few days. Another one in week+ maybe

As You write it looks he is retreating. Time to use that window. Full elite Guard ID will next turn move toward Shimushiri-jima. TF will move 6 hexes daily and need to travel 15 so i am expecting landing at night of day 3.

KB will tomorrow enter Ominato port. Refueling, rearming, standard maintenance.(only one day)
Most of groups already fly to Ominato AF, and they take replacements. In next two days they will all fly back to KB.

After one day on Ominato KB - without Zuikako, Taiho and with only one CVL - will back to sea and at day 3 should join Amph TF adding support to landing operation

By air i will move as much as i can. It is chance to transfer 100AV daily with all those TR planes i have

Question is if i will hold two more days

If something will be in range tomorrow i expecting first combat use of Ki-115b as kamikaze
That 382mph speed and 800/500kg bomb load should work nice









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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2015 10:57:46 AM   
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I have found Tsurugi to be very effective. BANZAI!!

Based on your screenshots, I think you will hold unless you get really bad luck. Double check LCU leaders is about all you can, and maybe a weather break to get some LBA bombing runs.

Good Luck!

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