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ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) No Koniu - 9/5/2011 5:26:38 PM   
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Hello everyone,

Come on in take a seat. This is a GC scen 1 game. It has the usuall HRs, Options and settings. I would like for you all to Enlist and provide your advise and thoughts on the game. I am new rather inexperienced. My esteemed opponent Koniu kicked my arse in our Canal game. Now I am seeking PAYBACK. The first turn has been sent back to Emperor Koniu.

There will be no "naturally" hairy women aloud. Sorry Greyjoy, I'll let you watch my Kay Parker and Nina Heartly videos. No playing with fiddly bits either.

So pull up a seat grab a beer.
Here is the link to Konius thread http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2900582

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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/5/2011 5:40:25 PM   
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it seems that over time it has become SOP to use "specific" ways to "attract" readers to one's AAR, Avatar/Posts....

all I can say....

I like it

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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/5/2011 5:43:35 PM   
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* knock knock*
"Who's there?"
"Excuse me Madame, no NATURAL BUSHES here? ...oh, i'm sorry so...yes, yes, ok, there's no need to get hangry. Yes, i do understand the importance of shaving but, you know, when i was a child i saw my mother flirting in the backyard with an "Epilady" salesman and from then on i started to hate that world...."








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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/5/2011 8:47:53 PM   
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God luck to both of us. I hope this will be very exciting game.

I will  write AAR for Japan site, and I hope it will be at lest as good as DOCUP`s

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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/5/2011 9:01:41 PM   
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Zulu HQ signed up.
But don't take my advice.

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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/6/2011 3:58:18 AM   
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Greyjoy just kidding on the bush comment.  I do have to say check out Kay Parker.  Oh yea pardon the Greyjoyisms, I think we went to the same school.  Zulu don't take my advise either.  I'm just going to finger my way into things.   Solinvictus I plan on making more cheap ways to get people into this thread.    Cheap and easy is my motto.

Now that the evil emperor is gone.  Lets get down to things.

First turn I sent the Enterprise TF up towards Wake to try and get the Wildcats off.  Maybe I'll get lucky and hit an invasion TF. Lexington TF is heading towards Tarawa to try and hit that invasion TF if it happens.  I want to bloody his nose some. 

Plans.  I'm going to roll with the blows and see where he leaves me an opening to strike. 

DEI
I plan on moving as many DEI troops to Palemburg as possible.  I'm not going full bore for a fortress, because I don't think Koniu will give me enough time.  I want to buy time here.  Tankers will pull as much full out of the DEI as possible.  I plan on moving an AS or two to Brome and set up a sub base there for the Dutch subs.  Once things start to get hairy in the DEI proper, I will bring them back to the area and try to take some pot shots at his TFs.  I would like to try to build up Timor and surrounding islands to protect Oz.  But not for sure if I will be able to do that.  So Force Z and the soon to be built US TFs of Huston and Boise will patrol around the Java area.  Small CLs and DDs will patrol up by Malaya to raid whatever I can.  I want to get the RN bf off of Nt Borneo (with the 6in guns) to Palemburg. 

Malaya
Sir Robin to Singers.  I want to get the 2 Oz brigades out.  Lets see how that goes.  I've never had much luck with the British TT planes out of Singers.  So I will pull them back and train them for the day I can use them.  Fighters will fight only in mass if I can help it.

PI
Fall back to Clark and Bataan.  I will try and evac the bfs.  Once bfs are out or fighters get low I will evac the fighters.  Ships will try and make a run for it.

Burma
I don't know yet.  I haven't decided if I want to do a fighting withdraw or just withdraw when he gets close.  I think I will start buidling up the India, Burma line.

China
Fight and die.

I want to set up my MLR in CentPac from Suva, PP, Canton (will not fight hard for), Christmas Is.  Christmas will be a supply hub with small AKs and AKLs will send out fuel and suppys to other bases.  I will try and pick up Lark and the other small Coy units from around Rabual.  Pilot training will begin on turn 2.  I hate subs so I will prob go heavy on ASW and LowN.

Thats it for now.  Tom we will see how the 7th played out.

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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/6/2011 8:20:28 AM   
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quote:

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Pilot training will begin on turn 2.  I hate subs so I will prob go heavy on ASW and LowN.


Before you make the mistake I did... Only ASW rating helps detecting and hitting subs. ( You know how hitting a sub with a bomb is so totally different from hitting other ships and boats? ) Thats nice in that only one skill is needed if you plan to have dedicated ASW air units.

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RE: ENLIST TODAY (Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/6/2011 3:52:10 PM   
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Thanks Erkki.

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Thrilla in Manila - 9/7/2011 2:16:14 AM   
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Dec 7th came and the dastardly Japs attacked Manila. The KB sortied a full port strike, sinking 13 subs (2 old S boats), 1 AVP, and a Q-boat. A bunch of ships are still on fire in the harbour with many more damaged. It looks like the Japs are going to try landings at Vigan, Atimonan, and maybe Davo. Japs took Batan. KB looks like its going to sit beside Culion base and strike again tom. I lost 38 planes in total to his 1.

A midget sub got inside PH and Torp the Wee Vee. It will be out for 2 months. PH is surrounded by subs. Lot and Lots of them. The midget sub did take a hit from a PC.

He landed at Khota Bharu. He didn't attack. The Brits flew againist the fleet in the PM phase and hit nothing but 2 gold fish. A Dutch sub did put a TT into an AK.

China got hit by the air. Nothing really here.

I was not expecting him to hit Manila. Not complaining either. I will miss those subs later though. I do not know where the Mini KB is!!!! I'm still sticking with my inital plans that I listed earlier. I just have to do it with fewer subs.

Now that the game is Afoot. Do I send my remaining subs and pt boats after the KB? Do I form up ASW TFs at PH and send them out after all those subs?

Hmmm what to do what to do.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/7/2011 4:13:10 PM   
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Turn sent.  I sent an ASW TF of one DD and 3 PCs from PH out into a hex with 4 subs.  Multi AC are on ASW patrol there.  I sent 3 subs out to seek the KB down.  Those commanders had high aggression rateings.  I didn't send the PTs due to 85% moonlight.  If he stays another turn I might try and send some cats on a night mission againist them. 

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/7/2011 10:49:11 PM   
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Dec 8th

PI
A few more ships sink due to damage on the 7th.  The man one was AV Langley.  2 AKLs are sunk by Kates trying to escape.  2 more bumped into CVL just south of Davo.  The CVL TF turned around and ran.  Airstrikes on Manila again mostly runway attacks.  There's a TF that just stopped at Vigan.  Looks like a landing tom.  I will sortie some P26s and B10 out after them tom.  Trying to air evac the BFs out of PI.  I have 2 SAGs to the south of Davo.  One is the CA Huston, CL Marblehead and 4 DDs the other is CL Boise and 4 DDs.  The Boise TF will head towards Ambon area while the Huston TF will stay around Jolo.  KB is blocking my escape route south with a SAG.  2 of the 2 British DDs escaping HK were sunk by a SAG.

Malaya
Bombings of several of the Northen bases.  Khota Bharu falls. All three British units retreated.  They will head south.  I am keeping small units in bases to prevent airborne assualts further south.  A sub sinks an AK leavinger Singers.

DEI
Airlifting troops is all.

China
Not much.  Air raids and moving troops around. 

PH
Still has a bunch of subs around it.  ASW TF showed up and all the subs moved to a different hex. 

20 Zeros were downed 4 Bettys
14 P40Es 13 P40Bs 7 P35s 5 Buff were shot down.

If I didn't mention other areas nothing happened at all.  Koniu will be gone till sat so I am taking my time with this turn.  I will have to think about what I want to do.  I have sent subs after the KB moonlight 65%.

Speak up people talking is aloud in here.

doc

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/8/2011 1:49:40 AM   
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nice shooting on the zeros. I am at January 15th '42 and my best pilot has three kills. I was slaughtered in the PI.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/8/2011 1:35:26 PM   
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Just got off from work.  So I figured I'd stop by with some thoughts.  Thanks Zulu.  I'm worried about the lack of landings and sightings of Jap TFs.  Is he planning something big.  No TFs at Wake, Tarawa.  I see one possible TF at Vigan with a small SAG.  One amphib TF at N Borneo following that TF is a small SAG.  I will try and intercept it with 2 small TFs lead by CLs.  I'm standing down my fighters in PI morale is low.

I think I will try and reinforce Wake with a small Inf BN.  I might pull off the Wildcats and replace them with some Lancers or whatever I have at PH.

Wren Det was wiped out by a bombing raid also.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/9/2011 1:38:10 AM   
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So is it worth it to turn the replacements on for the PI units? 

I am begining to think the Koniu has some big plans coming up soon.  What could they be?  He likes to hang back gather his forces then strike. 

My plans are still the same as before.  I'm going to try and get a BB TF out of PH.  It is going to follow and ASW TF consiting of 4 DDs.  I'm gathering my forces on the WC to ship out.  I'm going to send a marine rgt and marine CD unit to PP.  An army rgt with marine CD will go to Christmas Is. 

Any thoguhts guys.  Speak up

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/9/2011 3:13:45 AM   
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Are you pilot training? Sending fuel from DEI to Oz? Really need to think about where to spend PPs ie evac 4Es from PI, divert reinf to Sumatra etc.
Newbs 2 cents

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/9/2011 3:21:46 AM   
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Yes I'm pilot training.  Anything not in harms way is training.  Training in Escort, GB, NB, LowN, NS, ASW.  Yes setting up the TKs not to start sucking as much fuel as I can from DEI to Oz. I have evac'd once 4E group out.    you reminded me I need to send supplys to some of the outposts in DEI, that I am going to defend.  Thanks for reminding me Zulu.  I would like to get some oil out of DEI also. 

What reinforcements are you talking about? I am sending the 2 Indian brigades down towards Oz.  I would like to keep the Timor region in my hands.  I had expects to see Koniu already heading towards Tarkan and Ambon by now.  Maybe I'm paranoid. 

Keep adding your 2 cents Zulu its nice not to feel alone.

doc

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/9/2011 3:28:05 AM   
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quote:

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Are you pilot training? Sending fuel from DEI to Oz? Really need to think about where to spend PPs ie evac 4Es from PI, divert reinf to Sumatra etc.
Newbs 2 cents


Second this ... Just a thought ....I pulled OIL instead of fuel ... and eventually moved it to Melborne/Sydney [Well not all of it because when the KB figured out what I was doing they objected quite strongly ] . Anyway 1 oil refines to 9 fuel and 1 supply although OZ only posesses 2 refineries ..at 35 per turn that refines to 630 fuel per day .. one less taker load from Abadan or LA per month .... anyway it denies this to the IJN player ... Oil is far more useful because you can transport the equivalanet of 9 times more "fuel" per volume [although you do have to refine it ] on a tanker .. something both sides lack ..

One thing happend in my game one turn 2 .. weather caused the Nells to miss their escort and I shot down 25 of them .. I paid the PP's to activiate these squadrons and eventually got them to PM .. where they shot down another 20 aircraft becaue the IJFB could not imagine such strong resistance... these opportunites might present themselves and it might be worth saving these guys if they build experinces like my pilots did ... 3 of my aces and 1 double ace joined trianing groups on the east coast and greatly accelerated training ..I am just saying stuff happends tha tyou can take advnatage of .. weather and IJA vs. IJN pilots is one of them ...

Set up tankers in Abadan qucikly and start moving fuel ... for a couple of months there is overflow until the Port/airfield builds up one more level ...My thought was to ship as much stuff to Kararchi as I could until the spoilage stopped in Janurary ... I also moved one TK with 6600 oil to Melborne .. better that then let it spoil .. I also started stocking fuel in CT from Abadan rather qucikly ... the Coy units move supply but I found that CT needs fuel ..

Just my newbie thoughts ..

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/9/2011 6:02:20 AM   
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Your right Crackaces. I'm moving that also.  I do plan on buying out the PI fighters.  I just want to keep them around long enough to help out with forts and evac'ing the ships if I can.  I don't think Koniu will let me get the out.  I don't know how many trips I will be able to make with my tankers in DEI but I'm going to try untill it gets to hot.  I don't want to loose any tankers.  I'm already hiding the ships that will convert to AEs, and such.  I will use the ships that convert to APA in safe areas.  My carriers are combat ships they will move around looking for chances to hit the Japs but I will try and keep them back away from the fight as much as possible. 

I'm thinking of taking those 2 Indian brigades andputting them in Timor.  I want to beef that area up some maybe form a protective barrier around Darwin. I know if he wants it he can take it.  I will fight for Ambon and Kendri.  I'm airlifting Inf units from outlying bases to them. 

I'm thinking of buying a inf BN and putting it in there just for some extra fight.  I was wrong it was not a Lancer unit but a Mohawk unit.  But I plans for them now.

For me it's hard to form a long term plan this early.  I don't know where he will attack and what will happen.  He already messed with my by hitting Manila.  I'm kinda happy for that though.  Yea I know there old BBs but I plan on putting them to use.  I still have all those cats and fighters that I don't have to rebuild.  The only things that I can see are my supply hubs and stuff.

keep your thoughts coming.  I don't feel lonely anymore

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/10/2011 11:02:29 PM   
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Dec 10th

PI
More airstrikes on Manila.  2 of the DDs go down along with another sub and some AKs.  KB is still hovering around Panay (sp).  There is a SAG with her.  Amphib landing at Aparri and Vigan.  Theres a small SAG patroling around Vigan.  Again moonlight is 57%, so i will hold off on PT strikes.  I stood down my figters this turn, morale was low.  There still under 50 so I will prob keep them on the ground for another day.  I bought out the other 4E bomber unit at Clark.  Troops are moving to Clark and Bataan.  I am still evac'ing the BFs out.  I don't see much hope for getting ships out of Manila.  The longer he keeps the KB around PI the better.  So I will just keep them there till the KB is gone or there gone. 

Malaya
More Airstrikes.  His airstrikes are deadly.  Had an AK and AKL sunk by subs just south of Singers.  One of the Dutch subs missed a BB and got rocked for it at Khota Bharu.  He will head back to port for repairs.  I don't see his land units moving yet.  I am going to try and get the 27th Aus brigade out.

Borneo
I see a small SAG and what I think are 2 amphib TFs.  I am sending 2 small CL lead TFs after them.

Ambon region
A CL lead SAG,  2 DD TF, and another TF that says nothing but CS consisting of 8 ships has entered the area.  Raiding partys?  Force Z will move into the region via the backdoor. 

China
Airstrikes and troops moving around.  I have both AVGs at Changsta (sp).  Hopefully get an ambush.

Tarawa
Lady Lex hit the amphib force.  One DD sunk the rest of the TF is mauled.  I have a lone CA in the area and will try and run down what is left of the TF.  Lady Lex will move south keeping area within range also.  The amphib force did unload its troops though.

Nauru falls

My SAG gets out of PH without any trouble.  I keep thinking that this game is further along than what it is. 

doc

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/10/2011 11:29:41 PM   
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For God sakes be careful! A sub got my Lady Lex while I was trying to recover planes for Wake Island .. the numebr of subs in this area are striking and he can manually swarm them at will ....they are deadly ..and your ASW will watch the torps hit while doing nothing ....

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/11/2011 12:11:00 AM   
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Gambling early.
I believe the P40s in the PI are restricted and can only be withdrawn. not sure on this...

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/11/2011 1:36:32 PM   
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Crackaces there are 26 subs around PH.  If I could remember how to take a screen shot, I'd post one. 
Zulu I am pretty sure that they are temp restricted.  Atleast they were in my AI game.

I am loading the 34 Inf rgt with a FA and USN BF at San Fran.  They will head to Christmas Island.  I have all the PT boats at PH loaded in a TF with some support ships heading to PP. 

Intel has a Jap unit heading towards Ambon.  Could this be the CS TFs?  CL Bosie TF is heading that way.  I don't want to lose Ambon yet.

doc

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/11/2011 5:09:04 PM   
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great aar so far doc, i have a question about the West Coast, are u sending supplies from LA, SANFRAN, SD to Oz or are u waiting for later on to do that and are u sending AK's etc from OZ to west coast for auto convoy's

TC

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/11/2011 6:00:36 PM   
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Your right Crackaces. I'm moving that also.  I do plan on buying out the PI fighters.  I just want to keep them around long enough to help out with forts and evac'ing the ships if I can.  I don't think Koniu will let me get the out.  I don't know how many trips I will be able to make with my tankers in DEI but I'm going to try untill it gets to hot.  I don't want to loose any tankers.  I'm already hiding the ships that will convert to AEs, and such.  I will use the ships that convert to APA in safe areas.  My carriers are combat ships they will move around looking for chances to hit the Japs but I will try and keep them back away from the fight as much as possible. 

I'm thinking of taking those 2 Indian brigades andputting them in Timor.  I want to beef that area up some maybe form a protective barrier around Darwin. I know if he wants it he can take it.  I will fight for Ambon and Kendri.  I'm airlifting Inf units from outlying bases to them. 

I'm thinking of buying a inf BN and putting it in there just for some extra fight.  I was wrong it was not a Lancer unit but a Mohawk unit.  But I plans for them now.

For me it's hard to form a long term plan this early.  I don't know where he will attack and what will happen.  He already messed with my by hitting Manila.  I'm kinda happy for that though.  Yea I know there old BBs but I plan on putting them to use.  I still have all those cats and fighters that I don't have to rebuild.  The only things that I can see are my supply hubs and stuff.

keep your thoughts coming.  I don't feel lonely anymore

doc


A few issues for you to consider.

1. Malaya Army Indian units are both inexperienced and low on morale. They don't provide much of a challenge in the first few months. Of far greater value is rescuing the 2 Australian brigades from Malaya. They can link up with other Australian battalions to form the 8th AIF Division.

2. Brigades are much weaker than Divisions. Always preferable to consolidate your brigades into their parent Division.

3. Ditto for Battalions. If possible consolidate them into their parent Brigade.

4. Timor has 3 bases. You propose to move 2 Indian Brigades to Timor. Ergo, you are leaving something "open". If you are serious about defending Timor, you need adequate garrisons at all 3 bases on the island.

5. Ultimately the single most important factor in holding Timor long term is shipping a lot of supply there before the enemy gets there. The problem is it is very easy for Japan to impose an aerial blockade of Timor. All Japan needs is one of these 3 bases to base Nells/Bettys:

Ambon
Kendari
Makassar

You will be very lucky to save just one of those bases.

6. You are spreading out your Dutch troops too thinly trying to hold both Ambon and Kendari. Even if you concentrate on one of these bases and reinforce it with other Allied troops, it will be very difficult to hold against an invasion.

7. Not certain what the situation is at hong Kong, but get some of those battalions, for whom reinforcements are available in the depots, out ASAP. Fly them to buttress your Dutch units.

8. Don't use your Dutch TK and AO to haul fuel out of the DEI. Use instead xAK to haul out fuel. The small capacity Dutch TK and AOs are particularly valuable in transporting fuel to very small island ports, hence try very hard to save them. Quick port turnaround time will be very useful later on.

9. Don't bother using your Dutch PA on naval search. At this stage use them all to airlift troops. If you want some naval search capacity, use the Dutch heffalump bombers. Don't waste the heffalumps on naval attack, you will get a very, very poor return on investment.

10. Try bamboozling your opponent by not moving Filipino troops to Bataan. Instead fly them out to one of the Filipino bases which produces supply. Cebu is a good candidate. Essentially the effectiveness of a Luzon last stand at Bataan is critically hampered by lack of supply. Clark is a far better base for a determined defense (and Manila also has some good points in its favour, namely it's supply generation capacity) than Bataan. If you move Filipino cadres to Cebu you can subsequently use up your Filipino reinforcements when the parents are destroyed on Luzon.

11. Try basing your Filipino airforce on Luzon. Place the P-26 on low level naval strike. Often Japanese players leave Cebu alone until most of Luzon is secured and then send relatively unprotected naval forces to capture Cebu.

12. If you do manage to get supply into Darwin/Timor, you will be surprised at the relative ease and effectiveness of on sending supply to Cebu via sub transport TF. Of course you have to understand the context when I say relative ease/effectiveness.

13. Zamboanga is similar to Cebu but because it is not an island base, it is easier for Japan to conquer. Essentially I am saying look at your Filipino supply generating bases and turn them into mini festung Palembangs. The flip side is you would be engaging in supply denial to the enemy.

14. Buying out the PI fighters is not necessarily a good idea. They have only a short shelf life before they have to be disbanded and you may well struggle to find sufficient spare airframes to maintain their TOE. Think carefully about using the PPs saved to rescue the good LCUs in the Philippines and Malaya.

15. Don't fall under the trap of thinking that because Pearl Harbor was not hit, you won't have a Catalina airframe shortage. To ensure you don't get a shortage concentrate on flying them only within their normal range and with 50%+ experienced pilots.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/11/2011 11:03:05 PM   
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Thanks for your thoughts, advise and guidance.  Very much appreciated.  Its always nice to have a Grand Master give a new guy tutaliage (sp).

1.  I do plan on evac'ing the Aus units from Singers.
2-3.  Planning on it.
4.  Yes I know.  Figureing out troops I can get there in time is the problem. 
5.  I know
6.  Yes I know there thin.  Ok I will try and go for Ambon as the man one.  If I can.  See below
7.  Never thought about flying out HnK units.  Hes kicking on the door now.
8.  There leaving now.
9.  Already done.
10.  Ok, I tried that in an AI game.
11 & 14.  Ok,  I will have to relook at this.
12.  I lost a lot of subs in the attack on Manila.  I do plan on converting the 3 US SSTs but thats few months away.
13. Ok
15.  Will check my settings and pilots.

Xnavytc  Thanks.  Yes I am sending supplies from WC to Oz.  I am also doing it from Cape Town.  Yes to sending ships from Oz to US.

Dec 10th

KB location north Borneo heading towards Singers.

PI
Landings at Lingayen.  This cut off the 11th PA Div.  Airborne Assualt on Bayombang.  This kinda violated a HR his forces did not have sufficent Prep time.  But how do you redo the turn without tipping my hand.  So I let it go.  **** happens in war.  So I will have to think about what to do about this.  Vigan falls.  Four more ships are sunk fleeing the PI.  Bombing missions over Clark AF.  Should be repaired over nite.  I am sending some P 26s on NavA.  I would love for them to go after one of the amphib TFs but my luck they will go after the only SAG within there range.  SS 36 put a fish into an AK off Lingayen.  Will put up some Figheters this turn.

Malaya
Bombings everywhere.  Troops are trying to fall back to Singers.  I will follow Alfreds suggestion and combine all units not just in Malaya.  A 4 DD raiding force was sighted just south of Singers heading further south.  I have to CL TFS close by they will intercept tonite. Hopefully.

South Borneo
That small straight between Baliakpen (sp) and Tarakan (sp).  CA Huston TF ran into a 4 DD TF. Three of my ships damaged, one DD with 13 sys the rest was nothing.  Only one of his DDs was hit.  Oh well. 

Celebes Sea AO
Looks like the CS TF was an amphib TF.  They are only a few hexs away from Ambon.  I only have a PC there.  The Boise TF is 2 days away. 

China
The fighter ambush worked.  Four Oscars and ten Sonias went down to no losses of my own. 

Hong Kong
A deliberate attack went off at 1 to 1 with over 900 caus to Japan and 550 to me.  Reduced forts to from 3 to 2.

Else where
PH still has 26 subs around.  I am able to get ships out of PH now.  I can get the Wildcats off Wake now. 

more later have to go to work

doc

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/12/2011 2:00:04 PM   
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Turn sent.

The last 2 4E sqds in the PI were set to GB the stack of 13 units at Aparri.  Lets hope they get something.  Both PT TFs were sent againist what I am thinking is an undefended TF at Lingayen.  I also set the P 26s at LowNav bombing. 

I think the KB might go on a raiding mission in DEI.  I know he still has TTs left but he has to be getting low on sorties.  Just in case I am moving as many ships as I can away.  He is trying to send surface raiders into DEI.  I stopped one already and trying to attack the other one this turn.  I wonder if it is worth it to try and buy out some of the Dutch units and ship them to where I want them?

Lets see what happens.  To all that have posted and lurked in here thank you. 

doc

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/12/2011 4:07:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DOCUP

...  I wonder if it is worth it to try and buy out some of the Dutch units and ship them to where I want them? ...


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In circumstances when you are rationing your use of PPs, only for Dutch units which can receive drafts from the depots. In practical terms that means only Base Forces as "Support" devices are universal. The unique Dutch devices, even those for which some replacements are produced, have both a very low and short production rate/run.

The other factor mitigating against buying them for shipping is that Dutch units are not well endowed with much heavy equipment. Being lightly equipped does have one advantage; they can be air transported and leave behind very little (if any) equipment.

Have a look at the production rates for Dutch and Filipino devices. Yesterday I suggested that turning on Filipino replacements was feasible under certain circumstances. The viability of that decision is very much born out of the much more useful Filipino production rate and run, compared to the Dutch.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/12/2011 10:06:53 PM   
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Dec 11th

Very interesting turn.

KB location west of Mershing.  Theres also a large TF heading towards it also.  HMMM landing!!!

PI
More bombings.  But none where I had my fighters patroling.  The MTBs scared away the amphib TF at Linagyen.  SS 36 did sink a DMS.  First Allied sub kill of the war.  More ships sunk from PI and HK.

Malaya
More bombings.  He did lose Oscars to my 4 Bufs.

Ambon
Amphib TF stops at Ambon.  They were greeted by the Boise TF.  Boise is a bad mofo.  CS Chitose, Mizuho, 2 DMS, 2 AMc and 6 PBs went down.  Two AKs where recieved heavy damage.  1262 troops killed.  One US DD was hit.  Boise TF broke off and was caught by 14 Kates which sank 2 of the old DDs.  I will have Boise and gang try to reacquire the TF again before leaving the area.  I did not see this CTF. It is located at the Loewoek base hex, with another TF makeup is unknow.  Force Z is 9 hexs away.  I'm debateing if I should send them in for an attack.  I am redirecting my subs towards this TF.  This was a nice turn.  Oh yea almost forgot 41 Petes and 8 Jakes went down with them. 

North Borneo
Miring and the other bases are under attack.  I do not see any SAGs with them.  Now that the KB has passed them by.  I am thinking of sending the Huston TF up there for a quick raid.

China
Hes on the move.  He has roughed up some of my LCUs.  I'll have to get the locations.  I'm just running for my life right now.

PH
His subs are now moving off.  So I will start forming up TFs to go and leave PH.

Wake
The wildcats have left and are returning to PH.

A 2 ship TF was sighted between Canton and Christmas Is. Raiding party.  I am redirecting TFs towards them.  Lets welcome them  EEY.

Sorry Alfred.  I should of been more specific.  I thinking of buying out the Dutch units to move to Ambon or another spot I wanted to defend.  My thinking was it would be quicker, than airlifting.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/13/2011 11:40:48 PM   
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Koniu asked me if he could change some of his previous moves.  I allowed this, and it changed some things.  He had that CVTF sitting 9 hexs away from Force Z.  Now it is on the move heading away from them.  So I am going to hold Z inplace for now.  He is moving some LCUs in China now.  I hit him good on this one. He let me know in an email.  Ok time to eat update later.

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RE: Thrilla in Manila - 9/14/2011 6:56:34 AM   
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It looks like I got lucky really lucky with the Ambon battle.  I am following Alfreds suggestion, I am defending just Ambon.  I will ferry troops from the area to Ambon.  Supply will be sent and stockpiled.  I would love to be able to get some A 24s here.  I'm kinda bummed about the CVTF moving on the redo turn.

It looks like he's heading for Mershing.  KB is just east of it.  My units are still trying to get back to Singers.  Him cutting me off would really screw things up.  Not much I can do about it.  I don't see much movement from the units at Khota Bhora.  Units are being moved around DEI by air.   Its slow but it is happening, I need time to finish this.  So Singers needs to hold on. 

Units are moving around Burma and India. China hes started marching towards Yenan.  I am still trying to get LCUs to places I want to defend.  I guess I will see how much of a mess this area is in a real game.

Koniu took Tarawa, and Naru Is.  I don't see and ships around Wake.  Subs are leaving PH, I count 6 heading towards the WC.  I am sending troops to PP, Christmas Is right now.

With this defeat, I know hes going to be a slower.  He got caught with his pants down.  I hope I can make him pay more for this same mistake in the coming turns.

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