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ORIGINAL: Archangel85

Indeed - stuff gets broken in war, that is the way it goes. The first half of 1942, at the very least, is the time where the Allies basically trade one thing for another - a cruiser for an invasion delayed by a week, an island for forces to hold another island, a fleet carrier for 60 trained aircrews and planes. I do somewhat agree with him, that at some point you have to force excessive losses on your enemy. Like ambushing an invasion convoy with a carrier group after getting SIGINT. And I agree with him that it is incredibly frustrating at times, to watch a carrier battle where you lose everything and your return strike hits nothing.

But tell him this: The Allies are playing the long game. An allied carrier that is sunk will eventually be replaced (and bring two buddies with him, just because). If you lose a troop transport on the allied side, you reach behind you and pull out another 5. A Japanese carrier sunk is gone, and they need every single tiny advantage to get them through 1943. Downing a dozen Betties is a major victory, right there. Sinking one of the large 15ktons tankers the Japanese have is a big victory. The same applies to fast transport ships, cruisers and so on. Those are all assets they can not afford to lose, and sinking 2-3 fast transports in an invasion is a victory even if the base is taken.

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ORIGINAL: Barb

My opponent said I should find another "dick" to play this "broken" game against.

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ORIGINAL: Archangel85

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But tell him this: The Allies are playing the long game. An allied carrier that is sunk will eventually be replaced (and bring two buddies with him, just because). If you lose a troop transport on the allied side, you reach behind you and pull out another 5. A Japanese carrier sunk is gone, and they need every single tiny advantage to get them through 1943. Downing a dozen Betties is a major victory, right there. Sinking one of the large 15ktons tankers the Japanese have is a big victory. The same applies to fast transport ships, cruisers and so on. Those are all assets they can not afford to lose, and sinking 2-3 fast transports in an invasion is a victory even if the base is taken.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: Archangel85

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But tell him this: The Allies are playing the long game. An allied carrier that is sunk will eventually be replaced (and bring two buddies with him, just because). If you lose a troop transport on the allied side, you reach behind you and pull out another 5. A Japanese carrier sunk is gone, and they need every single tiny advantage to get them through 1943. Downing a dozen Betties is a major victory, right there. Sinking one of the large 15ktons tankers the Japanese have is a big victory. The same applies to fast transport ships, cruisers and so on. Those are all assets they can not afford to lose, and sinking 2-3 fast transports in an invasion is a victory even if the base is taken.

About the only victories I have as of Jan 15th 1942 are a IJ disaster cordinating a Neil attack on Manilla and an ambush of some Betty's after I got some RAF fighters to Burma a little earlier than expected Your words resound hope for the cause!

Otherwise I watch the IJN terrorize the land of OZ at the moment and ahve very little reosurces besides Dutch Subs to provide any threat .... but ... just wait! :)

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ORIGINAL: Barb

Hi,

at first I am Japanese player. However now I am speaking on behalf of my PBEM partner playing the Allies.

I played for the allies two or three times in old witp and I know it is not easy to play the side that is "losing" at the moment. He threatened to seriously quit three times already - but I managed to convince him to play along.

First thing: A Japanese division and regiment kicked three australian brigades off Port Moresby in January on first deliberate attack. It was as surprising to him as to me. I supposed that I will prevail, but not on first attack with 4:3 ratio.

Second thing: We had a "small" carrier battle we reversed (to convince him to stay in the game). 84 Dauntless bombers managed to hit 3 carriers with 1 bomb each and two battleships with 6 and 5 bombs respectively. Shouldnt the carriers had priority? How could Allies with CA/CL escorts get fair CV-CV battle with Japs that have BBs in their CVTF? To get some hits on the BBs is OK, but why it was three times more than carriers?

Third thing: We reduced fighters to: sweep at best mvr altitude, CAP and escort on second best altitude. So P-40E and A6M2 Zero or Ki-43 Oscar could sweep at 15,000 and cap at 20,000. He is using squadrons that were training since the start of war or their arrival on map. It is June 1942 and he is losing almost two times the number Japanese are losing. In total he had lost 534 fighters in A2A (867 fighters total of 1430 planes total) to my 276 fighters in A2A (517 fighters total of 1440 planes total). Majority of my losses are unescorted bombers, flak and operational losses. My sweeps usually has 1:1-2 kill ratio. His sweeps got massacred in 5-10:1 kill ratio. He has lost more P-40Es than he has got in replacements.

How are the allies supposed to win air supperiority? Are the allies supposed to EVADE Japs until second half of 1943?