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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/8/2011 8:26:12 PM   
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Did the hotkeys change in this latest beta? I notice that '5' and '6' no longer do anything while '4' now seems to show the supply path?







that is not the supply path being displayed. You are being shown the different national territories.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/8/2011 8:40:21 PM   
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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/8/2011 8:48:29 PM   
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Did the hotkeys change in this latest beta? I notice that '5' and '6' no longer do anything while '4' now seems to show the supply path?


4 shows Nationality (as Alfred pointed out)
5 shows Supply Path (for selected Base)
6 shows Patrol Zones (if any in the area shown)

All WAD (for the betas)

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/8/2011 9:21:52 PM   
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5 can take a while to display if you have an older machine or a small laptop. Scrolling with 5 on can also be quite choppy.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 1:57:56 AM   
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5 can take a while to display if you have an older machine or a small laptop. Scrolling with 5 on can also be quite choppy.



Taking a while is a bit of an understatement depending on the location. It took about a minute in the DEI and I quit waiting after 3 minutes in India.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 7:24:13 AM   
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1.) the "5" is worrying me. hitting once "5" the result showed  up after 5 seconds. After 30 min of game play, it took 1 minute in the same area to show up. Intel Quad core Q6600 here with ATI 4770 gfx which means arguing "slow machine" doesnt count here.

2.) In my p7 Version the drawing of the new range circles using drop tanks still doesnt work.
Before p6 it worked always with any beta and with stock. p7 didnt fixed it here at my end ?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 10:48:00 AM   
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Do you have a save with the DT patrol circles for ASW/Nav search not working?
It was working for me.


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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 12:10:16 PM   
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Dunno if this has been reported yet, but since the most recent patch, I went stateside and looked at some air units I had been training, 100%....I tried to flip them to "escort", or another function, and while the audio "click" could be heard, the units would not move from training..

I was able to "standdown", and this, then allowed me to put the unit in another function.....Wierd..

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 12:24:36 PM   
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Dunno if this has been reported yet, but since the most recent patch, I went stateside and looked at some air units I had been training, 100%....I tried to flip them to "escort", or another function, and while the audio "click" could be heard, the units would not move from training..

I was able to "standdown", and this, then allowed me to put the unit in another function.....Wierd..

I found that you could set training to 100% and then select a primary non-training mission. This could cause confusion in some code.
Setting 100% will automatically set the primary mission to Training.
I probably didn't think it from the other angle - selecting a non-training mission should turn off the training % (ie 0%).
At the moment, you would need to move training off 100% (set to 0 or any thing less than 100) to select a new primary mission.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 1:04:33 PM   
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Anyone still have troubles with the Airgroup rage circle draw using Drop tanks for Airgroups ? (like me?) i.e. useing drop tanks does not enlarges the range circles of the air group ?

the airgroup uses the drop tank but it is not shown in the range cirlce draw.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 1:07:26 PM   
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There seems to be a case of crossed wires.
What was fixed (and originally reported) was the search arcs not taking in to consideration drop tanks.

I don't know about any issue with DT for normal range rings.

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DT range circle should be pink (extended) and grey (normal). Shows if group has DT capabilty, not if using DT at the time.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 2:50:40 PM   
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Dunno if this has been reported yet, but since the most recent patch, I went stateside and looked at some air units I had been training, 100%....I tried to flip them to "escort", or another function, and while the audio "click" could be heard, the units would not move from training..

I was able to "standdown", and this, then allowed me to put the unit in another function.....Wierd..

I found that you could set training to 100% and then select a primary non-training mission. This could cause confusion in some code.
Setting 100% will automatically set the primary mission to Training.
I probably didn't think it from the other angle - selecting a non-training mission should turn off the training % (ie 0%).
At the moment, you would need to move training off 100% (set to 0 or any thing less than 100) to select a new primary mission.

Noticed this as well, and once I figured out that all I had to do was to move the training to below 100% everything is fine. If this helps your code, I don't find this to be an issue.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/9/2011 7:11:41 PM   
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Dunno if this has been reported yet, but since the most recent patch, I went stateside and looked at some air units I had been training, 100%....I tried to flip them to "escort", or another function, and while the audio "click" could be heard, the units would not move from training..

I was able to "standdown", and this, then allowed me to put the unit in another function.....Wierd..

I found that you could set training to 100% and then select a primary non-training mission. This could cause confusion in some code.
Setting 100% will automatically set the primary mission to Training.
I probably didn't think it from the other angle - selecting a non-training mission should turn off the training % (ie 0%).
At the moment, you would need to move training off 100% (set to 0 or any thing less than 100) to select a new primary mission.



Thank you michaelm

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/10/2011 5:42:50 PM   
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Has anybody else noticed that major damage that usually need a shipyard to repair is being allowed to repair pier-side if there is a shipyard present in the port? I am not talking about 1 or 2 points, I have a couple of ships that are in port with 20+ major damage and the port will repair it with the ship sitting at the pier.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/10/2011 5:47:55 PM   
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Has anybody else noticed that major damage that usually need a shipyard to repair is being allowed to repair pier-side if there is a shipyard present in the port? I am not talking about 1 or 2 points, I have a couple of ships that are in port with 20+ major damage and the port will repair it with the ship sitting at the pier.

Haven't seen this, but I wasn't looking. Michael will want a save posted if you have one. I don't have any damaged ships right now in either of my test-beds, although I think I could arrange for some pretty quick if I needed.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/10/2011 6:03:51 PM   
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Sorry to ask this again, but could you clarify the AM/PM structure of Naval Search and its possible management per my previous post? Thanks, michaelm.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/10/2011 9:18:35 PM   
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Don't know for sure, but I suspect that it might have something to do with the level of naval support in the port; is there a big naval HQ there?


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Has anybody else noticed that major damage that usually need a shipyard to repair is being allowed to repair pier-side if there is a shipyard present in the port? I am not talking about 1 or 2 points, I have a couple of ships that are in port with 20+ major damage and the port will repair it with the ship sitting at the pier.

Haven't seen this, but I wasn't looking. Michael will want a save posted if you have one. I don't have any damaged ships right now in either of my test-beds, although I think I could arrange for some pretty quick if I needed.

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Has anybody else noticed that major damage that usually need a shipyard to repair is being allowed to repair pier-side if there is a shipyard present in the port? I am not talking about 1 or 2 points, I have a couple of ships that are in port with 20+ major damage and the port will repair it with the ship sitting at the pier.


Haven't seen this, but I wasn't looking. Michael will want a save posted if you have one. I don't have any damaged ships right now in either of my test-beds, although I think I could arrange for some pretty quick if I needed.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/10/2011 10:32:30 PM   
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No, major damage has to be repaired in the ship yard if it exceeds a certain number, I think its 5.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/11/2011 12:31:33 AM   
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No, major damage has to be repaired in the ship yard if it exceeds a certain number, I think its 5.

I think all major needs either a Shipyard or Repair Ship or tender of some sort. Repair ships can only repair up to 5 major max. But I'm not 100% on this either ....

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/11/2011 1:52:05 AM   
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No, major damage has to be repaired in the ship yard if it exceeds a certain number, I think its 5.


This isn't true. Small boats can have major damaged repaired pretty much anywhere.

Barges can also be repaired at regular ports.

Merchants below 1000 tons only require the port to be of a specific size. It doesn't matter if it has a shipyard or not. For example, a level 7 port can repair all major damage of merchant ships under 700 tons.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/11/2011 5:06:12 AM   
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We are not talking about small craft here. Perhaps I should have been more specific. These are ships DD and larger including a CA that was in a port with a shipyard that was too small to repair the major damage but it repaired it anyway.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/11/2011 11:09:04 AM   
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We are not talking about small craft here. Perhaps I should have been more specific. These are ships DD and larger including a CA that was in a port with a shipyard that was too small to repair the major damage but it repaired it anyway.

Any chance of a save to see what you mean?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/11/2011 1:29:17 PM   
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Sadly no. I was simply docking them to stabilize the damage and planned to move them to a larger shipyard at a later date. I went back to move them and noticed they were repaired. I will be more attentive because I am sure it will happen again.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 3:40:11 AM   
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I am wondering if something is odd with the repair routines also.
I have seen several ships where the repair time is quicker pierside than with a repair ship or shipyard.


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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 5:09:25 AM   
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imo "repair ship" repairs are often slower, i only use that option when a client's damage can't be repaired completely in Readiness or Pierside mode. sometimes, an AR-aided repair will fix the major damage, & i can send the client back to the pier to complete, saving a day or two of repair-time in the process.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 5:48:45 AM   
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I am wondering if something is odd with the repair routines also.
I have seen several ships where the repair time is quicker pierside than with a repair ship or shipyard.



Pierside can be faster than shipyard. If you have a lot of naval support, or a fleet HQ in the base, Pierside is generally quicker. Shipyard is required for certain size ships and large amounts of permanent damage. Pierside is preferred if the repairs qualify.

Repair ships are generally the slowest. use them near the front lines to give emergency repairs on important ships. Use them in the back water ports to reduce demand on your pierside or shipyard space.

I'm fairly certain this is WAD.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 3:54:42 PM   
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Pierside can be faster than shipyard. If you have a lot of naval support, or a fleet HQ in the base, Pierside is generally quicker. Shipyard is required for certain size ships and large amounts of permanent damage. Pierside is preferred if the repairs qualify.

Repair ships are generally the slowest. use them near the front lines to give emergency repairs on important ships. Use them in the back water ports to reduce demand on your pierside or shipyard space.

I'm fairly certain this is WAD.

+1

Agree with everything you said and it is exactly how it works in my games.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 8:03:29 PM   
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I have a bug where I can't load troops onto ships.

I tried to attach a .zip with a save from my game but the file is too large to attach even here in the tech support forum (over 5MB due to it being a late war turn). This save is from a game using version 1108p7 using the expanded pilot array (WITPAEMP.exe) However, I was also seeing the same problem with the previous version 1108p6 and was hoping it'd go away after patching.

PM if there's anyway to post it here or email it to tech support.

Once you have the file, to see my problem, go to Sidate (Celebes next to Manado) and form an amphibious TF. When you click to load troops, all the ground units are greyed out and noted as "not in combat mode". Actually all the units are in combat mode. I even manually went thru and changed all the units to other modes and back to combat mode but am still unable to load troops.

Another example of the problem is at Pantar (near Koepang on Timor). When you form an amphibious TF here, you can load all the units except the 8th Australian Divsion. Again, it says that the Aus Division isn't in combat mode but it is.

PM for password if needed.

thanx in advance.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 9:10:20 PM   
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Is it possible you are just trying to load more in one turn than the "port size" will allow?..Maybe it will allow the load when there is room to load??

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p7 updated 7 Aug... - 8/12/2011 9:11:49 PM   
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I have a bug where I can't load troops onto ships.

I tried to attach a .zip with a save from my game but the file is too large to attach even here in the tech support forum (over 5MB due to it being a late war turn). This save is from a game using version 1108p7 using the expanded pilot array (WITPAEMP.exe) However, I was also seeing the same problem with the previous version 1108p6 and was hoping it'd go away after patching.

PM if there's anyway to post it here or email it to tech support.

Once you have the file, to see my problem, go to Sidate (Celebes next to Manado) and form an amphibious TF. When you click to load troops, all the ground units are greyed out and noted as "not in combat mode". Actually all the units are in combat mode. I even manually went thru and changed all the units to other modes and back to combat mode but am still unable to load troops.

Another example of the problem is at Pantar (near Koepang on Timor). When you form an amphibious TF here, you can load all the units except the 8th Australian Divsion. Again, it says that the Aus Division isn't in combat mode but it is.

PM for password if needed.

thanx in advance.

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