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Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 5:12:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Happy Independence Day to all you American peeps over the water.

You were still out of order chucking all that tea away! A waste of good tea that was!

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 7:16:24 AM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 7:57:27 AM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 8:34:57 AM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 9:37:45 AM   
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Happy Independence Day to all you American peeps over the water.

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 10:28:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you Brits have your version of our July 4th Independence Day? If so, which day? And what do you guys do? For example, we BBQ. 

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 10:55:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, nothing like that for us. I guess we never really had any similar event - unless you count the Romans packing up and leaving us!

Our last home defeat was 1066 but there was no subsequent overthrow of the Norman invaders. The Normans kind of made themselves at home, wrote a rather large (Doomsday) book, and just sort of fitted in. No doubt everyone had a nice cup of tea and got on with their lives.

Over time, our kings stopped speaking French and all was well on this sceptred Isle

EDIT: I say all was well. Of course that was except for the continual in-fighting amongst the three Kingdoms and the Welsh......and then later, the rather rude - but ultimately futile - interventions of the Spanish, the French, the Dutch and the Germans; all of whom we sent packing with a rather large flea in the ear .

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 11:39:51 AM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 1:33:20 PM   
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One thing I miss about living over there was those ID celebrations, beer and bbqs. I guess I can still have the beer though.

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 1:40:57 PM   
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No, nothing like that for us. I guess we never really had any similar event ...


What about Guy Fawkes Day?

Guy Fawkes (1570-1606), English conspirator ... He became implicated with Thomas Winter and others in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament ... he was caught in a cellar underneath the House of Lords and arrested. After severe torture he disclosed the names of his accomplices, and with them he was hanged.

Guy Fawkes Day is celebrated on November 5 in the United Kingdom and some other parts of the British Commonwealth with bonfires and fireworks.

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 2:17:05 PM   
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No, nothing like that for us. I guess we never really had any similar event ...


What about Guy Fawkes Day?

Guy Fawkes (1570-1606), English conspirator ... He became implicated with Thomas Winter and others in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament ... he was caught in a cellar underneath the House of Lords and arrested. After severe torture he disclosed the names of his accomplices, and with them he was hanged.

Guy Fawkes Day is celebrated on November 5 in the United Kingdom and some other parts of the British Commonwealth with bonfires and fireworks.

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Yes, we have Guy Fawkes Day, and Remembrance Sunday and the Patron Saints days for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland etc etc.

However, I thought the question was specifically about an Independence Day equivalent - which we do not have; James I and the Gunpowder plot was not about independence, it was about good old fashioned religious bigotry, you know the Catholic/Protestant thing.

BTW, I bet Guido Fawkes and co would love to have been just hanged; sadly for them, they were tortured before being finished off with a bout of hanging drawing, and quartering. I bet that hurt a bit.........


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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 2:34:25 PM   
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Erm, isn't it only the 3rd?

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To paraphrase Phineas "Yes, yes it is".

I suspect Judge, like myself, has benefitted from a typical British school education and s%^&, and knows, like I do, that that geezer Duke of Ellington or Wellington or whatever, fought for, and lost, the colonies in 1800 and something, the declaration of independence having been signed on the 3rd July, by Grover Washington Jnr and Franklin Roosevelt and that, innit?

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 2:53:40 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 2:55:38 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 2:57:57 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 3:08:28 PM   
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In the late 1700s you sent a conventional force to a far away place where religious fanatics used guerrilla tactics to defeat you. You tried again in 1812 just to be sure it wasn't a fluke. Then we went on to not learn anything from history.
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Que?

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 3:15:02 PM   
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Erm, isn't it only the 3rd?

Warspite1

To paraphrase Phineas "Yes, yes it is".

I suspect Judge, like myself, has benefitted from a typical British school education and s%^&, and knows, like I do, that that geezer Duke of Ellington or Wellington or whatever, fought for, and lost, the colonies in 1800 and something, the declaration of independence having been signed on the 3rd July, by Grover Washington Jnr and Franklin Roosevelt and that, innit?
Warspite1

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Nope - I just genuinely thought it was the 4th


.....or it could have been that

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 3:23:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Happy Independence Day to all you American peeps over the water.

You were still out of order chucking all that tea away! A waste of good tea that was! "


Those of us living in the deep South thank you!  It's nice to see that not everyone living in Europe feels as though we are evil.  To read some of the posted comments in the Daily Telegraph, and the London Times, you would think that everyone British, or French for that matter, felt as though we were the next coming of the Third Reich.  We are relatively young as a nation.  And we are still experiencing our growing pains.  And we make mistakes.  It has taken us four major wars, and no small amount of political upheaval, to get where we are now.  And while I think we have a great deal of road to travel, for the most part our great Democratic experiment has been good to us. 

So thanks to all our cousins over the pond.  And here's to a few hundred years more of living in the free world.

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 3:39:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		michael1776, as I have said before on these forums, the UK and the USA, at a high level, have trodden similar paths.

We have each had a period of being the "world's policeman", had time as the only "superpower", and that time came to an end for us in the early 20th Century and for the US? who knows what the future brings.

But the fact is, we have both made mistakes, done things that does not look to great in hindsight, but hey, he who never made a mistake, never did anything. Both countries have been net contributors to the spreading of civilisation and democracy, and have given our fair share of blood and gold in upholding that for ourselves and for others. We have generally been a force for the good.

To the people of the USA, have one on me for keeping me and mine safe during the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st.


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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 4:11:30 PM   
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michael1776, as I have said before on these forums, the UK and the USA, at a high level, have trodden similar paths.

We have each had a period of being the "world's policeman", had time as the only "superpower", and that time came to an end for us in the early 20th Century and for the US? who knows what the future brings.

But the fact is, we have both made mistakes, done things that does not look to great in hindsight, but hey, he who never made a mistake, never did anything. Both countries have been net contributors to the spreading of civilisation and democracy, and have given our fair share of blood and gold in upholding that for ourselves and for others. We have generally been a force for the good.

To the people of the USA, have one on me for keeping me and mine safe during the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st.


I've often thought of this cyclic Rise and Fall . . . and the fact that we are a comparatively young nation.

However, I was talking with an Italian-American friend who is in Venice right now, and we realized that the USA is no longer young! In fact, most nations on this planet are younger than us. I was surprised when I realized that Italy, though it has a loooooooong history, is much younger than the USA is. It only became a unified nation in 1861. At the time, we had been around long enough to decide we needed to knock our own heads off our shoulders, and got into a nasty battle on our own continent.

Likewise, if I have my ideas right, Canada became a fully independent member of the Commonwealth in 1867, Australia in 1901, and India and S. Africa had to wait even longer. Mexico was in the 1830s, I think. Germany was after Italy, the Balkans and Baltic nations are very new, as are most of the African nations (with the exception of Ethiopia, which is the oldest nation on the planet). As for some of the nations we think of as older, like France and Spain . . . well, they are and they aren't. The name continued on, but the governments of both have been completely restructured several times since ours was put in place.

At the risk of sounding unpatriotic on this, the Holiest of our national holidays, we are middle-aged. It's not surprising we are showing a bit of complacency. If we want to remain the world's "only" super-power (personally, I hate the job), we can't let this happen. Let's try to learn from our past mistakes to build a better future! (Corny Moments Award Nomination, please . . .)

But, for now, let's spend this weekend having a good time and making some new mistakes, eh?



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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 6:29:00 PM   
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Yes, we have Guy Fawkes Day, and Remembrance Sunday and the Patron Saints days for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland etc etc.

However, I thought the question was specifically about an Independence Day equivalent - which we do not have; James I and the Gunpowder plot was not about independence, it was about good old fashioned religious bigotry, you know the Catholic/Protestant thing ...


I deliberately avoided that for fear of locking-up the thread, and I thought the method of celebration was included in the query:

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Do you Brits have your version of our July 4th Independence Day? If so, which day? And what do you guys do? For example, we BBQ.


GFD and the 4th are both celebrated with fireworks; as for bonfires, I saw those lit for St. Martins Day in Landstuhl, Germany; wisely, the locals also had a firetruck standing by.

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 6:34:15 PM   
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In the late 1700s you sent a conventional force to a far away place where religious fanatics used guerrilla tactics ...


But they didn't become Episcopalians until after the revolution in Philadelphia (1789).


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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 8:34:16 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 8:48:27 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 9:15:18 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 9:17:18 PM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/3/2011 11:28:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		My apologies. My post was not clear. What I meant was do you guys have a national holiday like us here in the States where you have the day off and celebrate like we BBQ.

Sorry for the confusion.

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RE: Happy 4th - 7/4/2011 12:07:02 AM   
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RE: Happy 4th - 7/4/2011 2:28:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Arctic Blast, seeing your Canadian flag avatar, reminds of my days living in Buffalo, NY.  Just a short drive over the Peace Bridge to enjoy the wonders of Niagara Falls, and the many, many 'Gentleman's Clubs' that beckoned one to spend a hard earned US dollar.  All those neon signs for 'Dancing Girls'....they never really are very good dancers are they.  But all of them nice girls just working to get through school.  Many is the time that I never knew if I would be able to make it back over the border to get back home.

9PM crossing the border to get into Canada:

Border Guard: "Where are you boys going tonight?"
Me: "Just up to look at Niagara Falls and see the sights."
Border Guard: "Right, off you go."

3AM crossing back into the US

Same Border Guard: "Where are you boys coming from?"
Me: "Jus back from seein da Falls."
Same Border Guard: "So tell me...does Niagara Falls now stink like a brewery, cheap cigarettes and cheaper perfume? And why are you covered in glitter?"
Me now slightly more sober: "Well we may have been detoured for a few."
Same Border Guard: Shakes his head "Right. Off you go."

Such glorious memories.  Thank you Canada!


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RE: Happy 4th - 7/4/2011 3:36:05 AM   
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Fallschirmjager, I only know of one Civil War - that which took place between the Royalists and Parliamentarians in the 1640's. Which other one are you referring to?





At the university level the history classes I took refereed to the War of the Roses also as a civil war.

Now that I think about it, that may of been the opinion of one particular professor who has written books on the matter. But...knowing what little I have read about it, I would tend to agree with him. It was not one constant war but it was a series of separate incidents which did pit two sides against one another who were close in terms of size and strength.

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