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units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/1/2011 8:12:44 PM   
el cid again

 

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I have observed a problem with units appearing months or years early,
in the wrong place, and set for a command which would not have allowed them
to load at all.

For example, 5614 is the US Army 3rd Division, assigned by stock to arrive
at Tacoma 420901, but it arrives early in 1942 - at Fiji!

or 5574 is the US Army 11th Cavalry regiment, assigned by stock to arrive
at San Diego 440401 - but it appears at Fiji early in 1942.

I was not looking for such issues and only noticed these because they were so
unlikely. I suspect a systematic search will reveal many such cases.

Any clue what causes this phenomena?
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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/1/2011 8:27:42 PM   
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For example, 5614 is the US Army 3rd Division, assigned by stock to arrive
at Tacoma 420901, but it arrives early in 1942 - at Fiji!

or 5574 is the US Army 11th Cavalry regiment, assigned by stock to arrive
at San Diego 440401 - but it appears at Fiji early in 1942.


Both units not in my game (1943). In fact, there is no US 3rd Div at all, neither is there any US 11th Cavalry Rgt.
Both units are not in the current rooster, nor are they destroyed, and they are not in the list of scheduled reinforcements.
From your previous posts it looks suspiciously to me you're making this up to get more attention.

If you really want to help the developers/modders to hunt down bugs/errors you should at least include some details, like scenario, version you're using etc.

< Message edited by Rainer -- 7/1/2011 8:41:25 PM >

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/1/2011 9:10:25 PM   
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The arrival dates you have quoted are in fact their withdrawl dates , both units start the GC on map
I would guess that the AI has moved these units from their start positions to Fiji

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 1:28:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iron Duke


The arrival dates you have quoted are in fact their withdrawl dates , both units start the GC on map
I would guess that the AI has moved these units from their start positions to Fiji


This would mean that restricted commands mean nothing to the AI because the 3rd (and the 11th) are perma-restricted to the west coast.

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 2:04:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CV 2


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iron Duke


The arrival dates you have quoted are in fact their withdrawl dates , both units start the GC on map
I would guess that the AI has moved these units from their start positions to Fiji


This would mean that restricted commands mean nothing to the AI because the 3rd (and the 11th) are perma-restricted to the west coast.


The AI gets lots of bonuses. I believe ignoring the restricted unit tag is one of them. I'm sure Michael can confirm.

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 2:40:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Without looking at everything, the code controlling the restricted units ignores the AI sometimes, and in others treats AI and human the same.
IIRC, the original code had little restriction on tha AI for resticted units. This is really meant to confine and control the human player and force him to act under similar constraints as sort of existed during that period.

The Supreme Command of the AI is an iron-fisted, "I'm running the war my way" individual who does not listen to requirements or concerns of the national forces under his command, and will use 'his men' any old way he likes.




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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 2:47:19 AM   
Rainer

 

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The arrival dates you have quoted are in fact their withdrawl dates , both units start the GC on map


Confirmed. I started a new campaign (Scen #1, Allied vs AI), and both LCUs were there (both West Coast, Tacoma and San Diego). Both are restricted. Both clearly show their withdrawal dates. Why el cid thinks they should appear in Sep 1942 and April 1944 is beyond me.

Edit: Anyway, I decorated him with the Green Button. Don't wish to be confused by his misleading statements anymore.

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 8:28:51 PM   
el cid again

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iron Duke


The arrival dates you have quoted are in fact their withdrawl dates , both units start the GC on map
I would guess that the AI has moved these units from their start positions to Fiji


If they remain attached to West Coast Command, how can it move them?
Or is AI not required to change command, haveing Godlike powers?

I was able to duplicate the problem - sort of. The Cavalry appeared same same. But only a fragment of the
3rd Division did - as if a shipload segment. Anyway - thanks. I think you are correct - the date field I read was the
withdrawal date - and the units start on the map.

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 8:29:34 PM   
el cid again

 

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Without looking at everything, the code controlling the restricted units ignores the AI sometimes, and in others treats AI and human the same.
IIRC, the original code had little restriction on tha AI for resticted units. This is really meant to confine and control the human player and force him to act under similar constraints as sort of existed during that period.

The Supreme Command of the AI is an iron-fisted, "I'm running the war my way" individual who does not listen to requirements or concerns of the national forces under his command, and will use 'his men' any old way he likes.





I think you are right.

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RE: units appearing early/wrong theater? - 7/2/2011 8:38:24 PM   
el cid again

 

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ORIGINAL: Rainer

quote:

For example, 5614 is the US Army 3rd Division, assigned by stock to arrive
at Tacoma 420901, but it arrives early in 1942 - at Fiji!

or 5574 is the US Army 11th Cavalry regiment, assigned by stock to arrive
at San Diego 440401 - but it appears at Fiji early in 1942.


Both units not in my game (1943). In fact, there is no US 3rd Div at all, neither is there any US 11th Cavalry Rgt.
Both units are not in the current rooster, nor are they destroyed, and they are not in the list of scheduled reinforcements.
From your previous posts it looks suspiciously to me you're making this up to get more attention.

If you really want to help the developers/modders to hunt down bugs/errors you should at least include some details, like scenario, version you're using etc.


Perhaps your last comment is worthy of paying attention to. I believe this issue is present in all full map scenarios, but I have been looking at and testing Scenario 1.

You are far too suspicious. My approach is very simple and direct, and I get far too much attention to be able to deal with half my mail. Joe (Wilkerson) once quipped, in a Forum no less, that because I had gone on vacation, the throughput of the internet as a whole had changed by 50%. I may be wrong, but I am always sincere, and I am either asking for help (as here) or giving data FYI as I believe it to be. Just read the words, and if I am confused, explain I am reading the wrong field (as someone else did) - or that code ignores the rules (as yet another did) - and I will be enlightened.

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