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Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 6:41:12 AM   
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What is it about the Pacific War that interests you guys(and Rhonda) so much that you spend literally years researching it?

For me, the vastness has always fascinated me. All the way from Alaska to the Solomons. All those battles on islands that resembled nothing like America or Japan, thousands of miles from each others homelands.

Also, naval wars have always kept my interest and that was the naval war of all naval wars.

Another thing that fascinates me was the utter hatred each side had for the other, especially in the island battles.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 7:35:37 AM   
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Like you, naval wars have always fascinated me but there is more to it than that. The Pacific Theatre was the pinnacle of the combined arms doctrine. All three major aspects were heavily involved: air, land and sea. No one branch could be ignored - they all had important parts to play in the campaigns. 

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 7:38:36 AM   
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I love history - particularly military history - and particularly World War II. Why the interest in the Pacific War?

As you say in your third point, the Pacific War was the naval war in terms of sheer size and scale.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 7:39:43 AM   
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BTW I've just seen you are on 2,501 posts ilovestrategy - congrats on your 5th star!!

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 8:30:47 AM   
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The carrier battles, and also because it was close to home (kinda) with the battles in the Coral Sea, the Kokoda track, the shelling of Sydney, ships sunk by IJN subs all the way along the East Coast.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 8:35:12 AM   
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I've got a few reasons, but I think it started with that 1/48 Monogram F4F model I got for my 11th (?) birthday and cool movies like "Tora, Tora, Tora" and "Midway," not to mention shows like "McHale's Navy" and "Baa, Baa Black Sheep." I also ran into the "Baa, Baa Black Sheep" crew on my 7th Grade field trip to Universal Studios and I was taller than Robert Conrad (he played VMF-214 skipper Greg "Pappy" Boyington to those unfamiliar with the series). I also played a lot of AH's "Victory in the Pacific" as a kid. Anyway, the sheer epic scale of the battles and the playing field is certainly attractive to us gamers.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 8:36:43 AM   
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Who says the Pacific Theatre or even WW2 is a favourite.

I play WITPAE because its the best game covering a theatre I have an interest in, just like Wellington in the Penisula, The Western Desert and anywhere else the AIF left its (often graffitied) mark.

IMVHO, the dangerous ones who never lift their gaze from the Pacific!


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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 8:52:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

The carrier battles, and also because it was close to home (kinda) with the battles in the Coral Sea, the Kokoda track, the shelling of Sydney, ships sunk by IJN subs all the way along the East Coast.


I agree. Carrier battles are unique and few in history. Plus, the Japanese were a unique player. A nice change from the usual goosesteppin' and blitzkriegin' Germans people either loathe or worship. Oddly enough I find the logistics fascinating too.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 9:09:35 AM   
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See SigPic.

Just referring to the tropical island setting, of course.


Ok - and carrier battles, combined arms, vastness etc.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 2:09:26 PM   
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I really enjoy military history.  Mainly the Civil War, WWII, and Medieval history.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 2:09:57 PM   
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The scale, the ships, the submarines. Subs, in particular; I love stuff about the U-boat campaign and the Med but there is something quite different about the Sub war in the pacific.

There's other stuff. Go into a British bookshop and there will be hundreds of books about D-day, Normandy and Hitler. Perhaps a few about the desert war and Italy. There are seldom that many about the Pacific war. I think, for me at least, the names still carry an exotic quality to them. Tarawa, Gaudalcanal, Midway, Pearl.

I think for the British as well the Pacific and the far east represent blows to the being of the Empire that the western front never really did. The fall of Singapore and the largely but important Burma campaign, for example, are elements of British history that are not as well known as they should be.

Also, and perhaps most importantly, aircraft carriers rock. They rock very hard indeed.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 3:14:29 PM   
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I just love ships. (and planes, tanks and trains for that matter)-especially when they are shooting at each other. I know war is not a healthy pursuit but I can't help but be facinated with.



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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 6:55:47 PM   
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Over the years my interest in things military has ranged over the campaign in NW Europe, Germany's war with the Soviet Union, Bomber Command's campaign and the Battle of Britain. But way back in the late 1950's my father, in general a man who had little time for military matters, sat me down in front of the television and said 'This is a programme worth watching'.

Only in black and white on a 405 lines CRT, but up comes the glittering swell of that opening sequence, and Richard Rodger's majestic theme playing over it: Victory at Sea!

Looking at it again now I'm stuck by its jingoism and lack of sophistication by today's standards. Yet I'm sure the series planted a seed of fascination in me that has lasted a lifetime.

"And now... the Pacific boils over!"

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 8:07:28 PM   
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Around 1963 it became a tradition in our family to order a "Big Hoss Pizza" and as soon as it arrived, I would get out a fresh edition of Air Classics, or Flying Review International.
One weekend, I was munching down the greasy pizza and reading a story of the airedales who served in the Pacific, and how winning their wings allowed them to go from Coke to beer, (paycheck wise)..
Loved that particular issue and those mags for years.
Back then, with only Avalon Hill around, I was trying to envision everthing WITP later became!!
So help me, WITP really was everything I had looked for since those years.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 8:36:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Back then, with only Avalon Hill around, I was trying to envision everthing WITP later became!!
So help me, WITP really was everything I had looked for since those years.

AE just improved it by 80%.


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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/17/2011 10:47:52 PM   
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A number of reasons for me, was the vastness of the theatre, the scale of the fighting and the forces involved and the incredible changes it caused in Australia, from outlooks with regards to other countries, The very large wave of emigration that was triggered after the war (Arthur Caldwell once Australian Minister for Immigration once stated "Populate or perish") to industrialisation.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/18/2011 1:06:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

BTW I've just seen you are on 2,501 posts ilovestrategy - congrats on your 5th star!!


Thanks!

Good responses. I also love WW2 carriers.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/18/2011 1:17:47 AM   
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I have a voracious appetite for military history, strategy, and wargames. I am not too particular - from Thermopyle to Agincourt to Port Arthur to Rorkes Drift to Tet to Normany to the Somme to Gettysburg. They all have lessons to teach us about the spirit of a soldier and the burden of leadership

This is just the best game I have ever played on the subject, and one of the best games I have played in any genre, on or off computer. It's easy to get humbled.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/18/2011 1:37:22 AM   
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For the me the biggest thing was the carriers, was always facinated. That and I have always liked military history, at a very young age I was very facinated with the WWII fortifications in my home town of Terrace (which is on the map in this game!).

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/18/2011 2:46:24 AM   
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Why the Pacific war; Well for me it is the fascination of this conflict being the first, and only big 'Engine War'. This campaign used human'engines of war' on and under the Sea, on the land and in the air on a vast scale. It was also a war were the arts of military science had to catch up with the use of these machines.

Yes I also love the carrier warfare, and the tactics and luck involved in those battles. But most of all it has everything, every type of warfare, and fought in every type of terrain.


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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/18/2011 5:07:40 AM   
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I loved it initially through John Wayne (They Were Expendable, Harm's Way, and Sands of Iwo Jima), 1/700 Waterline Models, then the Bantam paperback war books, Avalon Hill's Flattop and the Iron Bottom Sound games, and then a highly skilled Military History High School Teacher. Spent 10 years in College with History and Political Science then went on to teach College for nearly 15 years.

Think this basically haven't had a life since I was about 7...



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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 4:56:30 AM   
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Ben Affleck did it for me

Seriously though, pretty much everything mentioned here...the sheer scale, the combined arms, the logistics, Victory at Sea and Samuel Elliot Morrison.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 2:28:39 PM   
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One word: Logistics. Enough said.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 4:37:20 PM   
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It's elemental:

I love the sea,

Dirt is blah.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 5:05:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

What is it about the Pacific War that interests you guys(and Rhonda) so much that you spend literally years researching it?

For me, the vastness has always fascinated me ...


I think that lends itself to how the Allied player might approach Japan, compared with how those invasion routes historically happened.


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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 5:20:34 PM   
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When I think why am I here, I tend to think that hidden feelings drove me in this direction, feelings that I'm only just "seeing". My father flew "the hump" and my uncle sailed in the Santa Fe for two years, got transferred to a coastal minesweeper and one week after the war ended the boat was hit by a typhoon with almost all hands lost...including my uncle. So many of us, who look deep, might find a really personal connection.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 5:26:30 PM   
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Speaking of personal notes, when I was doing my Ph.D. in Aberdeen Scotland, I had a colleague/friend from Japan. Back then there was only the board game from Victory Games, but that was fantastic for me at the time. I tried to get my very good friend from Japan to "combat" me, each taking the side of our ancestors, however he refused. The reason for his refusal was simple and had a very interesting impact on me. He said he would not play something that made a "game" out of so much death and destruction, it dishonors those that died. I could see his point, BUT I countered with the argument (that I still hold on to even today) that by playing the game it gives me a better insight into what the actual players were up against, and that insight leads to greater understanding and appreciation for those that did ultimately pay the highest of prices.... Thoughts??? Hal

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 6:24:54 PM   
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... I could see his point, BUT I countered with the argument (that I still hold on to even today) that by playing the game it gives me a better insight into what the actual players were up against, and that insight leads to greater understanding and appreciation for those that did ultimately pay the highest of prices.... Thoughts??? Hal


The old Koei -- "we supply the past, you make the history" -- games said you would learn more about yourself by simply playing their semi-historical sims.


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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 6:51:08 PM   
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The incredible scope and epicness the Pacific battlefield created has always fascinated me. I also live for the carrier battles.. so much influenced by so few.

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RE: Why the Pacific War? - 6/20/2011 7:07:04 PM   
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Been interested in ww2 since I was knee high to a grasshopper. I suspect most of us here are gray beards.

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