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What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 10:27:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		The scale is 10 miles per hex. Obvious giveaways like map labels have been removed from this version. Do you know, or can you guess, what famous battlefield is modelled here with the ATG-editor?




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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 10:51:24 AM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 11:03:36 AM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 12:51:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not Normandy, because no hedgerows.
Not the Bulge, because no forest.
Not Stalingrad because no big river and no big city.
Not Leningrad because no big city and no big river.
Not Arnhem because no big river, no big city and no big bridge.

Could be the starting area of Market Garden.

Maybe Smolensk?

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 1:45:07 PM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 2:17:37 PM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 2:46:37 PM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 3:09:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Geesh, what time period? WWII I reckon?
Seeing the layout I'd say somewhere in southern Russia, maybe Kiev?

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 3:13:23 PM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 3:31:03 PM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 4:10:27 PM   
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Kursk ???


...is the city on the northern edge of the map. Belgorod is on the southern edge of the shown area. Prokhorovka is located on the hex where the railroad going north of Belgorod first turns to northeast and then north again before going around the Psel river.

Tanks, tanks, tanks! (although not as many as some mythological accounts suggest...)

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/13/2011 7:59:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Keke


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nick69

Kursk ???


...is the city on the northern edge of the map. Belgorod is on the southern edge of the shown area. Prokhorovka is located on the hex where the railroad going north of Belgorod first turns to northeast and then north again before going around the Psel river.

Tanks, tanks, tanks! (although not as many as some mythological accounts suggest...)


Sounds like a cool scenario !



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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/17/2011 10:36:11 AM   
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A couple of screenshots of the scen "Zitadelle South" in its very early development phase:






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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/17/2011 10:37:26 AM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/17/2011 6:40:16 PM   
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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/25/2011 10:02:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		For your information, this is going to take a lot of time since I'm building everything form scratch, SFTs included.

For example, attackpower values for the tanks take into consideration, along with the inherent characteristics of the weapons they carry, mobility and reliability (vs infantry) plus fire control (vs armour). Hitpoints for them are derived from the armour (front, side and top). Initial testing shows that the results are as desired.

I'll start a thread on the mod/scen forum later when I have more to report.

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/25/2011 8:09:49 PM   
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A tip. Why not import the SFTs from another masterfile. Then you will not have to make them from scratch. One example of historical eastfront SFTs is the Ostfront masterfile (which i used as a foundation for my FITE SFTs) i could also send you my equipment masterfile. The germans are partly filled in already and you could continue on that. There are something like 100+ german SFT pictures among other things.

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/25/2011 9:03:07 PM   
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I have checked Ostfront but wasn't altogether happy with its SFTs (a lot of quality work there though), and I enjoy doing them, although it is a time consuming process.

On the other hand I have all the data needed in a spreadsheet, so importing a masterfile and editing it would speed it up for sure. I'd need graphical help later in any case. So if you are willing to share your SFTs for this purpose it would be appreciated. I'll PM you my contact info. Cheers!

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/26/2011 12:47:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be cool if SFTs could be exported and imported via XLS-files...

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/26/2011 8:14:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would prefer a non-proprietary format, but the idea is sound. This would open up for external editors. While we're at it, we might as well request that maps, events, action cards and location types becomes import/exportable as formatted text files.

I'm not going to get my hopes up though. Exports are easy, just parse everything to a file. In imports, on the other hand, there needs to be a lot of checks as to not corrupt anything. I would not like to be the one to rule out all the possible bugs that can arise from poorly formatted inputs.

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RE: What famous battlefield? - 5/29/2011 10:24:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Grymme for the equipment file. I'm still going to do the SFTs from scratch with my formulae though, but there are some unit graphics I could use. Currently I'm contemplating the idea of scaling tank units down to platoon level instead of companies.

Btw, how one can clear any particular unit graphic without replacing it with a new one?

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