From: The Divided Nations of Earth
ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
Question for the experts:
I want to give the Japanese some CVs in place of the Yamatos. What would be a plausible substitute carrier-wise for the Yamatos, to be launched before January 1941. Also, I'd like to use a carrier design which would allow me to create 2 carriers per each Yamato. In other words, in the span it took to produce a Yamato, I'd like to pump out two CVs.
Any ideas, suggestions on what would be the likely candidate, another Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Junyo, or Unryu? What carrier design should I use? I'd like to keep it to an existing design used in the game, instead of a "never-was".
Gary, my friend, I think you are worrying too much. If this is a balanced scenario, who cares what's plausible. Just go for it. If I was doing one of those, I would have alternating 'Kakus and Unryus arriving on the same dates as an Essex. The whole idea is balance, yeah? And sure, do the Yamato, Musashi, Shinano BBs to counter the NCs, SoDaks, and Iowas. Nobody is gonna scar you for doing that, so long as you say just what it is you are doing.
Frankly, that might be a fun thing. I strongly believe in limited, historically based, CPX-type scenarios that offer relative balance of forces. Have no idea how this would play out in a campaign game, but can imagine something like the old Tactics-II. Making a historically plausible what-if scenario is one thing. Making a 'balanced' scenario is something else entirely.
So throw historicity out the window. It's not Allies v Japan, it's green/brown v red. In that context, you can do what you darn please without worrying about what someone will say.
I agree whole heartedly. I like the concept of alternating Sho's and Unryu's. I would look at something faster than the Yamato's though. Since Japan is embarking on more concentrated air warfare model, then the B-64 battle cruisers make more since. Faster and armed with the excellent 100mm AA guns. Able to actually keep up with the fast carriers.
Well, for what it's worth, I have taken the route of no treaties and no depression. Basically there's an arms race in the inter-war years which dulls the Great Depression so all the various constituents basically get to have their cake and eat it too. Granted this is pure unbridled fantasy but I'm trying to sugar coat it a little for those who like to have at least a little bit of historic plausibility at work. As I stated in a post above regarding the issue of plausibility, on the fantasy side there will be a lot more carriers out there to fight with for all sides, however, on the plausibility side, they won't be Nimitz Class flying F-14 Tomcats. So yes there's a lot of fantasy involved but it will only go so far.
As far as Battleships for the Japanese, I'm sticking mostly with the 8-8-8 plan. They will form the battle line. The fast striking carriers will employ mostly cruisers as escorts. At this stage in the game, the powers that be are still envisioning a Pacific Jutland and haven't really grasped the concept of the BB as AA platform for the carrier groups yet.