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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 3:56:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmyIf only those two planes would have hit the Cooling Towers of India Point Nuclear Center instead..
(I look forward to JEW and Terminus will come online..)


Good Night Kid's.


Considering that the containment buildings at Indian (not India) Point are made of reinforced concrete and steel, any civilian aircraft would likely have disintegrated on impact. Plus, there was a good chance they would have struck the one unit of the four that was decommissioned at the time. In any case probably saving thousands of lives in New York.

So, thank you for your kind thoughts, jerk.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 4:06:52 AM   
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If only those two planes would have hit the Cooling Towers of India Point Nuclear Center instead..
(I look forward to JEW and Terminus will come online..)


Good Night Kid's.


I think maybe the Swedish government should look into whether you have a pilot's license!


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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 4:08:25 AM   
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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 4:24:46 AM   
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ChickenOfTheSea,

Not only could he pull his own head off but he'd beat you to death with it, leave it as a calling card and spontaneously grow a new one in time for the photo op to celebrate yet another successful mission.

P.s. When I re-read that it sounds quite threatening actually. I use YOU as the generic plural, not you specifically. I hope Chuck Norris never beats you to death with his own ripped off head... It might be a strange wish but it is, at least, heartfelt

But I thought Chuck Norris was beating you to death with a head? Whether it was his or yours, shouldn't that be headfelt?

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 4:26:15 AM   
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Guy's... Please don't react to this poor sad little troll, that calls himself 5thGuardsTankArmy. It's the only way he can get any interaction on this forum, because he as no clue at all how the game works. Just green button him, as he says nothing that is of any worth to us.

I'm with you, sir bird dude. I've had a certain poster green buttoned since January. I don't know why others haven't had the same settings as well.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 4:39:13 AM   
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It's very simple folks.
Green button.
Silence.
Peace.
That's all.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 4:45:12 AM   
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My problem is curiosity. I never green button anyone because I want to see what happens next.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 6:09:28 AM   
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I think the important thing is we got him. Took us a long time but in the end he achieved room temperature. The lesson for the rest of them is they are on our list and one day we will get them too. ;)


Very well said, oldman45.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 6:15:21 AM   
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No problem.
You can always reset the button which I do sometimes when from a response to a "green buttened" post I conclude there might be something to look at.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 8:03:42 AM   
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Here is a pretty definitive essay on the legality of the OBL strike (written by a law professor):

http://volokh.com/2011/05/06/un-special-rapporteurs-demand-information-to-justify-obl-killing-and-what-holder-should-have-said-and-koh-should-say/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+volokh%2Fmainfeed+%28The+Volokh+Conspiracy%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

It includes this summary:
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So, to say what the US Attorney General should have said : It is


  • okay to enter a country that is “unable or unwilling,”
  • okay to use lethal force,
  • okay to attack without warning,
  • okay to attack an unarmed, unthreatening, but still lawful target,
  • okay to attack without inviting surrender,
  • okay to press the attack with lethal force and without pause, the exception being if the target were to succeed in completing the act of surrender — which, in this case, is likely to be never, because there will not be enough time, and
  • okay not to give the target time to make an attempt at surrender, even if inclined or even attempting, by pausing or slowing the attack.



Note that he also talks about "completion" of a surrender and how that is different than someone merely being unarmed or throwing up their hands or waving a white flag.






Yes, this is the US enterpetation. NOT the Opinion of the World however.
This is because the UN has made it crystal clare, that there are no such thing as "war on Terror". Terrorism is by International law considered criminal activery, not an act of war.

> Fortunately, Sir, the United Nation's opinion - fine organization that it may be - seems not to have stopped us from giving Mr. bin Laden the good old double tap.

This means shooting a unarmed individual, on forigen soil is by Pakestani law considered Murder. and by international law considered "Act of Agression" and "Supression of Civil and Human Rights and a serius thret to a individuals freedom"

> It would seem that Seal Team Six - and the other supporting Services involved, were not particularly concerned with what the Pakastani's thought - that would be my take, Sir.

> Perhaps it would be appropriate if the rest of Mr. bin Laden's on site entourage should give gratitude that they were not on The List?

It basically makes the entire rapport useless as it is made under the "US Point of Wiev" and thus has no mirit or value when looking on the facts from the perspective used by the United Nations or Rome Statue of International Criminals Court.

> I would respectfully submit, Sir, that it appears - at least as of last Monday, that most of the fine Citizens of the USA (not to mention other good people in foreign lands - just a guess) did not give a rat's behind about the UN or Rome Statute of International whosaida whatsa Court's opinion.

Your Nation just murdered a criminal on forigen soil, I hope you are proud.

> Beyond measure, Sir.

I am actually happy you did it because it is making it evan more clare what you are capable of doing, and it is showing the world what kind of a thret you actually are to the world society. I hope it gives Al-Queda a serius boost in manpower and contributers! I am actually Neutral in the conflict between you and them,

> Let us hope, for your sake, that you remain so, Sir. We do not forget, and have a rather long reach.

but after your last stunt here I am actually starting to lean in favour of them,

> I would prefer to opine - "a first class example of operational planning and how to do it right".

I look forward to see their next move...

> In the Not So Distant Future, one would hope. No doubt there are a number of Al Q leaders who have recently changed residence and are not sleeping as well as they used to. Sir.

Well - Gents - will you look at this, good old polite Mac actually got a burr under his saddle.

Very Respectfully,

Mac





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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 8:12:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy

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ORIGINAL: USS America


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ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy

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ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy

<crap flushed>


(And to you "I love hero best in the world US hallelluja folks, just bring it on.. I won't check this thread any more as I'm leaving now for vaccation - Bye).




<all the turds didn't go down with the first flush>




I see your pathetic, disgusting words are still not worth the electrons they are consuming to exist. Everything you write can be judged by the honesty of your statement above that you won't check this thread anymore.

And you are still a piece of ****!






If only those two planes would have hit the Cooling Towers of India Point Nuclear Center instead..
(I look forward to JEW and Terminus will come online..)

Good Night Kid's.


Sir -

You are insulting two Men whom I greatly respect.

Why don't you use your real name, and let us know where you reside - however, that would take courage and integrity.

Well, I must be on a roll.

Mac

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 10:48:44 AM   
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Gents don't be to cruel to European law smart asses. We've our law tradition - always talk much (sometimes to much) about ethical aspects of some action. On the other hand in US you don't waist your time for such bollocks. In my opinion it's good that Osama is gone, he deserve for that kind of death and funeral. Is there any reason to cheer? Well death shouldn't be reason to cheer, but I'm glad that justice've done, what should be done few years ago. That's all.

The more important thing is that you've gave a clear signal: watch out (...) - if you want play without rules, we can also play that way.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 11:29:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shellshock


quote:

ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmyIf only those two planes would have hit the Cooling Towers of India Point Nuclear Center instead..
(I look forward to JEW and Terminus will come online..)


Good Night Kid's.


Considering that the containment buildings at Indian (not India) Point are made of reinforced concrete and steel, any civilian aircraft would likely have disintegrated on impact. Plus, there was a good chance they would have struck the one unit of the four that was decommissioned at the time. In any case probably saving thousands of lives in New York.

So, thank you for your kind thoughts, jerk.



No according to FEMA... but hey what do they know.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 11:34:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 5thGuardsTankArmy


If only those two planes would have hit the Cooling Towers of India Point Nuclear Center instead..
(I look forward to JEW and Terminus will come online..)


Good Night Kid's.


I think maybe the Swedish government should look into whether you have a pilot's license!




Actually a PPL, but my views is already known for the Swedish Government. Here you wont get arrested for supporting Terrorism! You won't Evan be questioned if you knew anything unless you want to, the only way you can come into trouble with the law is if you comitt a crime.

That is why people like Mullah Krekar can walk the streets as a free man in Scandinavia (he has Police protection btw to protect him against the CIA.. haha funny how that is)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah_Krekar





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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 11:48:32 AM   
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Sir -

You are insulting two Men whom I greatly respect.

Why don't you use your real name, and let us know where you reside - however, that would take courage and integrity.

Well, I must be on a roll.

Mac








But seriously..
Do I (and the people living here) not have the right to have the opinions we like? aftar all it is a democracy.
I don't graft Bin Ladens death, but I do feel that his 9/11 Attacks was necessary.




I think 9/11 was necessary as it shows that if you piss of to many people someone is going to hit you back at some point.
And at 9/11 someone living in a cave made you bleed, something who was (and still is inspiring to very very many people. Bin Laden has inspired many fine young men who
hate US Financial Imperialism and arrogance. Personally I of course do not intend to attempt to join his ranks, that would be absurd! (So don't evan go there).
But I do not fear for speaking my honest opinion, and I know that according to SCB State Statictics Bureau over 41% of the population has the same views as my self!
I do not have sympathies for the cave men fighting you either, but their presence in this world is necessary.



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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 12:18:37 PM   
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oldman45,

Actually, you're wrong. Technically he is sea temperature, well, bottom of the sea temperature


All,
To be fair, 5thGuardsTankArmy DOES have the right to express his opinion... even if it is odious. I think it is quite odious to see others refer to any laws/views/lives etc which aren't from their country as being somehow wrong or less valuable. Pakistani, European, International and American law all have support and legal background and we should respect them all - to an extent. When you go around saying that if it isn't American law then you don't need to respect it you give ammunition to the people who say, "If it isn't Sharia law then they don't need to respect it". It is the same argument, just reversed. So, by falling into his trap of responding not only are you responding to what he is saying but in belittling other legal codes, countries and the value of lives in those countries you are actually creating divisions with people who would generally support you but can't support such viewpoints.

I think though when he chose to refer to JWE as JEW that he crossed the line to a clear breach of forum rules. So, since jwilkerson isn't around to act as moderator anymore who can that be reported to? You might choose to argue with him on here ( feeding the troll ) but I think it'd be more effective to just use the forum rules which he appears to have breached.

To be fair though gwozd12 has also clearly broken the forum rules in retaliation by referring to all Muslims as "goat lovers" which is clearly racist also. So, an even-handed application of the rules would see both banned, unfortunately. This sort of collateral damage is what happens when people respond. Racism isn't right, ever.



In total then 5thGuardsTankArmy is getting precisely what he wanted:
a) getting reactions from people

b) having those reactions be extreme ( I'm sure the people who posted here wouldn't really believe that European laws are worthless and should be superceded by American law, especially since that is PRECISELY the argument Al Qaeda etc make when they argue for the use of Sharia law worldwide ) and create divisiveness between people who should be united against his general viewpoint.

c) getting others to breach forum rules in their reactions so he can muddy the waters if moderators get involved and say "others were doing it too".

Congratulations guys, you're giving him an alibi *sigh*


P.s. You'll note that when his initial post didn't get its intended outcome he put his holiday on hold and popped back to post more incitements which people are responding to. He's just trolling and, unfortunately, people are falling for it.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 12:59:49 PM   
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It was not my intention to call all muslims "goat lovers" - no. That was about this sort of people, who thinks that jihad is the best solution for their problems, that suicide bombers are heroes, or saints, and what more, who believe that's god's will. Personally I don't have anything against muslims - if they respect law of the country where they are living.

But Nemo's right - I'll edit my post.


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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 1:06:13 PM   
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gwodzie12,

I'm glad to hear that. Sorry to have had to single you out but I wanted to be clear that we couldn't just ban someone because we didn't like their viewpoint.

As I said, when these sorts of threads get going people can say things which seem to imply things they didn't mean. We've ALL been there

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 1:16:36 PM   
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Gents don't be to cruel to European law smart asses. We've our law tradition - always talk much (sometimes to much) about ethical aspects of some action. On the other hand in US you don't waist your time for such bollocks. In my opinion it's good that Osama is gone, he deserve for that kind of death and funeral. Is there any reason to cheer? Well death shouldn't be reason to cheer, but I'm glad that justice've done, what should be done few years ago. That's all.

The more important thing is that you've gave a clear signal: watch out (...) - if you want play without rules, we can also play that way.


I'm just going to throw this one out there - What if we sent the SAS into Boston or Dublin to kill off IRA leaders there? Would you Americans be as happy?

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 1:50:14 PM   
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Couple of points there sprior:

The IRA has disarmed and it's political arm is now in government in Northern Ireland ( 2nd largest party ). As such it isn't in conflict with the UK anymore.

The Continuity IRA ( a splinter group ) is the portion which is continuing to fight the UK.

We have a good slogan to describe their actions which is expressed pretty commonly in Northern Ireland and reasonably so in the South, "Not in MY name." The idea is that whatever they're doing isn't being done in that person's name. In the elections last week their representatives got trounced too which was nice to see.

I think your point is interesting though...

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 1:56:56 PM   
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Yes I know all that, but my point is what if in the 70s or 80s we'd done that? Or gone into Greece killing EOKA terrorists in the late 50s/early 60s?

Or for that matter that the Iran/Egypt/Syria decides that the US or UK is harbouring terrorists and sends in a their SF? I'm glad OBL is gone but it's a dangerous precedent to set.

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RE: OT - They got Osama - 5/8/2011 2:09:06 PM   
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