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1943-45 Campaign Revised - 4/21/2011 3:27:02 PM   
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Attached is a revised version of the 43-45 Campaign. My goal was (and is) to present as historically accurate starting point for the campaign as possible (OOBs, TOEs and deployment), all according to the latest research. I consider this to be 70% ready (that's why it's called v0.7) - which is about 50% more than the stock version. There are still a lot of work to be done. For example, Soviet air forces still need major overhauling.

Here are a few screenshots that illustrate some of the changes:

Kursk Salient before (left) and after (right):




The most powerful German division on the map, before and after:




The 5th Guards Tank Corps, before and after:




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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 3:47:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I forgot to mention one thing that looks a bit odd on turn 1 for the Axis: all units start with Detection Level 0, so all the Soviet unit counters are blank at the start. Editing DL-levels with the editor is not working properly yet, so I set them all at once via a CSV-file. The effects are not so dramatic, especially after air recon and movement, but it may give a minor advantage to the Soviets if you really want to launch Zitadelle. DL-levels will be 'normalized' after editing has been made easier. Cheers!

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 7:24:48 PM   
Keke


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Status: offline 		Marketing is not my forte, but here are some "before and after" screenshots. German Lage Ost maps were really invaluable:

Leningrad region:



Germans are wasting some good infantry divisions in that maze.



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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 7:27:04 PM   
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Some significant changes in that area.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 7:30:20 PM   
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Concentration of forces for Zitadelle is more evident in the latter.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 7:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something is awfully wrong with this image, which is supposed to show the area between Kharkov and Stalino (can't be bothered to fix it, check it from the scen):



Anyhow it is evident that the Germans have to cover more ground NE of Stalino.


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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 7:40:33 PM   
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Dramatic changes from grognard point of view.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/21/2011 8:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dramatic changes indeed. Thanks alot. Keep up th good work.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/22/2011 3:04:26 AM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 4/23/2011 6:23:57 AM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 5/12/2011 12:03:36 AM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 6/9/2011 8:38:11 PM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 6/10/2011 11:11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		People, do note that this version is more ready and completed than the stock version.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 6/19/2011 3:09:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		For your information, I'm currently rebuilding the Soviet Air Armies. Three of them have been reconstructed so far.

Away with random air regiments!

Historical unit strengths for these air units seem to be 20-50% lower, but equipment is upgraded.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - Public Beta - 6/21/2011 12:11:51 PM   
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Following Soviet Air Armies have been reconstructed from their original shameful condition:

1st, 15th, 16th, 2nd, 17th, 13th and 14th.

More to follow!






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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/21/2011 12:13:46 PM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 8:12:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for this, keep up the good work. I am going to start a campaign of this vs the AI tonight to see how I go.


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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 1:38:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing that I have just noticed is that there is a dramatic crash of the CV values of all front line units on turn 2.  Most stacks drop to CV 1, even ones that started as high as 15 or 20.  It recovers on turn 3 to the former levels.  You can observe this by playing a human vs human game and just clicking to end each turn without moving any units and looking up and down the front line on turns 1 and 2.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 1:46:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: delatbabel

One thing that I have just noticed is that there is a dramatic crash of the CV values of all front line units on turn 2.  Most stacks drop to CV 1, even ones that started as high as 15 or 20.  It recovers on turn 3 to the former levels.  You can observe this by playing a human vs human game and just clicking to end each turn without moving any units and looking up and down the front line on turns 1 and 2.


That sounds really odd and is something I haven't ever encountered including the PBEM I started a few days ago.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 1:49:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: delatbabel

One thing that I have just noticed is that there is a dramatic crash of the CV values of all front line units on turn 2.  Most stacks drop to CV 1, even ones that started as high as 15 or 20.  It recovers on turn 3 to the former levels.  You can observe this by playing a human vs human game and just clicking to end each turn without moving any units and looking up and down the front line on turns 1 and 2.


That sounds really odd and is something I haven't ever encountered including the PBEM I started a few days ago.


It is something I only noticed with the current beta patch, 1.04.30. It is easy to replicate with that beta patch, I didn't see that problem with the prior 1.03 version.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 2:02:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, just tested and it shouldn't happen with the latest patch upcoming shortly.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 2:34:12 PM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 9:48:51 PM   
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So is the bug Del reporting an execution file bug or a scenario bug? Just curious if you are referring to a patch for the scenario or otherwise. Note I did not see this with 1.04.28 but I haven't looked real hard either. I don't know what in the executable would change with 1.04.30 that would cause what Del is reporting.

Nice work by the way on the scenario. I am eager to give it a go.


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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 9:58:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the after picture for 5th Gds Tank Corps you have 50, as in fifty, 85mm AA guns. Could you say, please, what unit they were attached to? I know that after the Tiger was introduced the Russians added special battalions (of 12 guns each) of these 85mm to some units, specifically to combat the tigers, but 50?!?!?!.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 10:24:00 PM   
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Keke,

So is the bug Del reporting an execution file bug or a scenario bug? Just curious if you are referring to a patch for the scenario or otherwise. Note I did not see this with 1.04.28 but I haven't looked real hard either. I don't know what in the executable would change with 1.04.30 that would cause what Del is reporting.

Nice work by the way on the scenario. I am eager to give it a go.




It shouldn't be a scenario bug. I haven't seen that sort of weirdness ever, but I have always used latest development exes, so I can't be sure if there was a problem with 1.04.30.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 10:43:36 PM   
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In the after picture for 5th Gds Tank Corps you have 50, as in fifty, 85mm AA guns. Could you say, please, what unit they were attached to? I know that after the Tiger was introduced the Russians added special battalions (of 12 guns each) of these 85mm to some units, specifically to combat the tigers, but 50?!?!?!.


That could be a good catch. I have to check my sources to see where that number comes from.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 10:47:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		You might also check the import max on various aircraft Germany exported to Hungary, Rumania, and Finland. I seem to recall that in the 43 scenario there are some cases where the Axis Allies field German aircraft but there are none ever exported because the editor field is set to 0 for the maximum imports.

I can't remember which aircraft right now but I will check shortly and see if I can dig it up.

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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 11:04:34 PM   
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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 11:26:25 PM   
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Keke,

So is the bug Del reporting an execution file bug or a scenario bug? Just curious if you are referring to a patch for the scenario or otherwise. Note I did not see this with 1.04.28 but I haven't looked real hard either. I don't know what in the executable would change with 1.04.30 that would cause what Del is reporting.

Nice work by the way on the scenario. I am eager to give it a go.




It shouldn't be a scenario bug. I haven't seen that sort of weirdness ever, but I have always used latest development exes, so I can't be sure if there was a problem with 1.04.30.


I can verify that it doesn't happen with the stock 1943 scenario, and vaned74 says it doesn't happen with the prior version of the exe (1.04.28) so perhaps it's a combination / incompatibility?

Perhaps it's worth posting to the tech support forum to get one of the developers to take a look.

I am seeing similar crashing CV values with other scenarios in 1.04.30. I had assumed it was just higher attritional losses but in some cases in the 1942 scenario I have now seen units that are static and have been sitting in forts adjacent to enemy units reduce to disrupted mode and CV 0 then displace away from the enemy unit spontaneously. Also a lot of units falling to unready state after being left in forts adjacent to enemy units with no combat happening. However there is nothing in the 1.04.30 release notes about increased attrition.


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RE: 1943-45 Campaign Revised - 6/23/2011 11:41:16 PM   
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In the after picture for 5th Gds Tank Corps you have 50, as in fifty, 85mm AA guns. Could you say, please, what unit they were attached to? I know that after the Tiger was introduced the Russians added special battalions (of 12 guns each) of these 85mm to some units, specifically to combat the tigers, but 50?!?!?!.


That could be a good catch. I have to check my sources to see where that number comes from.


OK, it turned out to be an embarrassing mix-up.

As you can see from here http://militera.lib.ru/h/zamulin_vn/21.html (Table 20), the 5th GTC had on 6th July fifty 82mm mortars, not fifty 85mm AA/AT-guns, which it had none. I haven't yet figured out where that current number for 82mm mortars come from.

Thanks for bringing this up!

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