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New Public Beta for WitE v1.04.10 - 4/20/2011 4:38:24 PM   
Andrew Loveridge


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Hello all,

We have a new update in the works, and are letting those in the Members Club have an early look at it. It includes a large list of improvements and fixes. It changes the First Winter Rules and Fortification Construction, along with all those listed below.

This is a Beta, so please notify us if you notice anything that may need changing. Also, a reminder, the Game Updater won't work properly with beta updates until the update is made official.


V1.04.10 – April 18, 2011

    New Features and Rule Changes


      1) Changes with Version Numbers – The main menu now lists both the installed version number and the exe version number for the program being used. This makes it easier to use multiple copies of the game with different versions on one computer. The top windows bar will still display only the installed version number. We have also changed our version numbering to show 2 additional digits in the version number instead of labeling versions beta 1, beta 2, etc. --- The exe version number is also shown now as the last entry in the logistics phase event log. This is the version number that was being used during the logistics phase, so it is now possible to see what version your PBEM or Multiplayer opponent was using at the end of their turn.
      2) New Rule - Damaged equipment and manpower returned to the pool during the logistics phase are not available immediately to be used as replacements. Although they appear in the pool on the production screen, they actually are put in a “transit pool”. At the start of each friendly logistics phase, 25% of the amount in the transit pool is moved to the available pool. This represents the lost time from the front of lightly wounded soldiers and damaged equipment.
      3) New Rule - Units from different Luftflotte’s or Air Armies will not participate in the same air mission.
      4) New Rule – If the Moscow Defense Zone HQ is relocated and it has no valid hex in the Moscow region to be relocated to (x=106-112, y=45), it is disbanded.
      5) Rules Changes to First Winter rules (Section 22.3):

        (a) (Section 22.3.1) Changed the CV modifications in January 1942 as follows: Attacking CV is divided by 2 (instead of /3). Any missed check (admin or combat skill) causes CV to be further divided by 3 (instead of /4). Defending CV is divided by 1.5 (instead of /2 – previously this was incorrectly listed as /4). Any missed checks causes CV to be further divided by 1.5 (instead of /2). The displayed on counter CVs are divided by 2 for attack and 1.5 for defense (instead of /3 and /2).
        (b) (Section 22.3.1) Changed the CV modifications in February 1942 as follows: Attacking CV is divided by 1.5 (instead of /3). Any missed check (admin or combat skill) causes CV to be further divided by 2 (instead of /4). Defending CV is divided by 1.33 (instead of /2 – previously this was incorrectly listed as /4). Any missed checks causes CV to be further divided by 1.33 (instead of /2). The displayed on counter CVs are divided by 1.5 for attack and 1.33 for defense (instead of /3 and /2).
        (c) (Section 22.3.2) The percent of damaged elements has been reduced in December 41 so instead of roughly 5-20% the losses are now roughly 1-7% (the damage losses are still reduced by 50% in Jan/Feb 1942). Units subject to this damage will now see their damage reduced if they are in a hex that has a fort level. The amount of the reduction is the fort level squared as follows:

          1. Fort Level 1 – 1% reduction
          2. Fort Level 2 – 4% reduction
          3. Fort Level 3 – 9% reduction
          4. Fort Level 4 – 16% reduction
          5. Fort Level 5 – 25% reduction

        So a unit in a fort level 4 that would have suffered 6% attrition will now suffer roughly 5% attrition.
        (d) (Section 22.3.3) The Morale drop for exposed units was reduced from 2 to 1.
        (e) (Section 22.3.3) Removed the automatic pre-combat morale reduction of 2 when morale was less than 60.
        (f) (Section 22.3.3) Added a loss of 1 morale for non-Finnish Axis units whenever they are attacked and the final end of combat odds are greater than 1:2.
        (g) (Section 22.3.4) Axis units tracing supply to a railhead in the affected area (22.3) will have the amount of supply they receive reduced by 25% after all other modifications. (previously it was reduced 50%).
        (h) It was always harder for German units to received replacements during the first winter (previously undocumented). It is now even more difficult for them to received replacements during first winter.

      6) Rule Changes to fort level construction rules:

        (a) (Section 15.3.2.1) Decreased the fort build rates as follows:

          Fort Level 0 3.0 (was 3.0, no change)
          Fort Level 1 1.0 (was 1.0, no change)
          Fort Level 2 0.25 (was 0.33)
          Fort Level 3 0.05 (was 0.10)
          Fort Level 4 0.01 (was 0.02)

        (b) Construction values are reduced based on the supply level of the unit. In no event will they be reduced below 20% of normal due to supply level.
        (c) Level 5 forts may continue to build up to 10% over level 5. This allows them to take some damage and still remain at Level 5.
        (d) Artillery (especially Heavy Artillery) can cause small fort reductions during combat.
        (e) Fort build rates for building forts greater than 3 can be divided by 2 if a leader admin check fails.

      7) Rule Changes to Refit rules (Section 18.3) – Units set to refit (and those automatically considered in refit) will no longer receive the following benefits from refit if they are adjacent to an enemy controlled hex during their logistics phase:

        (a) (Section 9.1.1) Morale bonus if under 50 morale.
        (b) (Sections 18.2.1 and 18.2.2) Replacements in the refit sub-segment. Instead they will receive replacements in the normal replacement sub-segment (without priority) and be treated as if they are not in refit mode for the purposes of the TOE limits in section 18.2.2.
        (c) (Section 9.3.1) The refit experience (training) benefit when their experience is lower than their morale (previously not clearly documented).
        (d) (Section 18.3) Priority on upgrading and swapping of equipment.

      8) Rule Change – The amount of support units can be increased by the level of fortification in the defending hex.
      9) Rule Change - Introduced the concept of a commanding HQ for each side for each combat. Generally this commanding HQ is selected because it has the most CVs directly reporting to it in the battle. Units not reporting directly to the commanding HQ will suffer command battle modifiers that will reduce their CV for the battle. The battle report now lists the units in the battle grouped under the name of the HQ they report to. If an HQ’s units are suffering a command battle modifier, the amount of the CV reduction is shown next to the name of the HQ (for example XXIV Panzer Corps -36% indicates that each unit listed in this corps has had its CV reduced by 36%). The greater the number of HQ’s that the unit must trace through to reach the commanding HQ, the greater the modifier. In addition, units that report directly to a high command HQ suffer an additional 20% modifier, and those that report directly to an Army Group or Front suffer an additional 10% modifier (these are shown as part of the total modifier percentage displayed).
      10) Changed the way reserves are committed to battle. The lower the command battle modifier described in item 9 above, the higher the chance the unit will be committed from reserve (especially those units with a command modifier below 10%). Also increased the chance of motorized units being committed.
      11) Rule Change – Adjusted the amount of morale a unit loses after a battle. Now units are not guaranteed to lose a morale point when a battle is lost. The higher a unit’s morale is over its national morale, the greater the chance the morale will be reduced when it loses a battle.
      12) Rule Change – (Section 18.2.1) Damaged units sent back to the pool during the logistics phase now have 40% of their manpower disabled (instead of 20%).
      13) Rule Change – (Section 15.4.1) Artillery (ART,MORT,ROCKET,AT) support units have priority to be committed into a battle during a special commitment phase. During this round of commitments, defending HQ's have a chance of committing 3 more than the normal limit of committed HQs (so 9 or 21 instead of 6 or 18). After this round, the normal commitment round is conducted.
      14) Rule Change – (Section 9.5.2) Increased front line attrition, but reduced the proportion of these attrition loss that is KIA to 30% (was 50%). The net impact should be similar KIA but an increased amount of manpower disabled due to front line attrition.
      15) Rule Change – (Section 22.3.5) - First winter mitigation for towns and cities now protects the units with the largest manpower (including attached support units), instead of those with the largest CV (if any units are protected, as per the existing rules).
      16) Rule Change – (Section 12.2.5 and 16.1.7) – Changing the Mission setting for a Fighter Bomber group no longer costs AP points (used to cost 1 AP). Player’s should realize that groups flying missions in a role they are not trained for will be flying at a major disadvantage.
      17) Rule Change – There are now restrictions on the swapping out Heavy Artillery ground types.
      18) Rule Changes – Each Armament factory now uses 50 supply points to produce 300 armament points per turn.
      19) Rule Change – Excess AFV’s are not sent back to the pool if the AFV total in a unit is not exceeding the OB’s AFV total by 25%.
      20) Multiplayer Change - Added 'Resign' option to the games list.
      21) Multiplayer Change - Added 'Show Completed' and 'Show Resigned' buttons to the games screen to allow filtering of the game list
      22) Multiplayer Change - Added 'hover' text to the games and challenges lists to display additional information about games.
      23) Multiplayer Change – Now when an attempt to save the game fails, the user will be informed of this event and given the opportunity to try again.
      24) Formula Changes to Movement Attrition and Fatigue:

        (a) Non-AFV elements of motorized divisions will no longer suffer enhanced movement fatigue.
        (b) Increased the average movement fatigue, especially for non-motorized units.
        (c) Increased the chance of non-AFV elements breaking down during movement.
        (d) Movement break down is decreased in case of successful Admin Rolls.

      25) Formula Changes - Reduced the effectiveness of interdiction in terms of casualties caused. Increased the chance that interdiction will cause movement point reduction to the interdicted unit.
      26) Formula Change - Decreased the morale reduction for air groups.
      27) Formula Change - Air strikes are more fragmented now depending on experience and leader checks.
      28) Formula Change – Reduced the amount of planes flying recon interception missions.
      29) Formula Change – Slightly increased the accuracy of tactical bombers, primarily those with higher experience.
      30) Formula Change - Increased the damage done by strategic bombing to some industry types including ports and heavy industry.
      31) Formula Change - Increased the chance that an element will be damaged in combat instead of disrupted.
      32) Formula Change – Increased damage from retreat attrition.
      33) Formula Change - Reduced the rate at which leaders are promoted.
      34) Formula Change – Reduced the amount of flak attacks.
      35) Formula Change - Armament point usage during supply conversion to ammunition can get reduced by 2-4 times if the Admin roll is successful.
      36) Formula change - There is a slightly higher chance than previously for high national morale units to gain morale during the logistics phase (didn’t change for those with morale less than 60).
      37) Interface Change - Added AA units directly attached to cities to the OOB display.
      38) Interface Change – Added turn, date and location information to the battle reports.
      39)Interface Change - Units that are already assigned to an HQ will not appear on that HQ’s list on the Pick Support Unit Window when the Assign/Form button has been selected.
      40) Interface change – Added a high detail combat message when an element is disrupted due to an airstrike.
      41) Interface Change - Added the number of ready, damaged and reserve aircraft to the reinforcement screen for each air group listed.
      42) New Message - Added a message to the event log when an empty unit is disbanded.
      43) New Editor Feature - Added COPY/CLEAR functions to the TOE(OB) editor.
      44) Improved Soviet AI in the Caucasus.
      45) Somewhat improved the automatic air base selection method (still best to select the air base manually).


    Bug Fixes

      1) Fixed a bug causing incorrect numbers being shown in the number of men moving to and from the pool in the Event Log.
      2) Fixed a bug causing some withdrawing units to incorrectly place their equipment and manpower in the pool.
      3) Fixed a bug where Axis units could ignore the TOE% settings during the first winter.
      4) Fixed a bug in the truck loss routine that was adding manpower to the pool when trucks were damaged.
      5) Made sure that the CR and OOB screen numbers agree. There were some discrepancies that could cause the two to disagree.
      6) Fixed bugs that caused the AI to sometimes move support units to off-map/delayed HQs and “inactive” support units to on map HQs.
      7) Fixed a bug that caused units moving by naval transport to get stuck in a water hex when it was interdicted.
      8) Fixed a bug in which small factories could report different amount of equipment built than those that actually went to the pool.
      9) Fixed combat so odds may no longer be shown as 0:0.
      10) Fixed a bug that could cause routed tank divisions to not correctly transform to delayed tank brigades.
      11) Fixed a problem in which the disband routine was not bringing some damaged equipment back to the pool.
      12) Fixed a bug where inactive support units were passing through the upgrade/swap ground types procedure, placing and taking equipment to/from the pool.
      13) Fixed a bug where the number of partisan cadres formed was incorrect.
      14) Fixed a bug that was causing ports to be repaired too quickly.
      15) Fixed a bug in the path tracing that could prevent defending units to receive support units help in a battle.
      16) Fixed a bug that caused a unit to not be able to trace a movement path through a hex with 3 friendly units.
      17) Fixed a bug where a guards unit was created with the same name as that of an existing guards unit.
      18) Fixed a bug causing manpower loss/gain when escaped squads convert to partisans.
      19) Fixed a bug in the Set All Unit MPs function in the editor that doesn't set MP for the Axis units correctly on June 22 1941.
      20) Fixed Motorcycles Squads so they are set to infantry class instead of artillery class.
      21) Fixed Heavy Infantry Guns so they are set to artillery class instead of infantry class.
      22) Fixed a bug where Artillery Regiments had the option to assign another support unit to them, something that should never happen.
      23) Fixed a bug where damaged elements were not having their manpower sent to the pool when due to an OB change the elements were no longer needed (the manpower was just being lost).
      24) Fixed a bug where elements that were being exchanged due to a TOE change or upgrade were not properly accounting for the difference in manpower between the old and new elements.
      25) Fixed a bug that could cause inaccurate record keeping of manpower lost from retreat attrition.
      26) Fixed a bug that could prevent a totally empty Soviet or German unit removed from the map from being brought back on the map to be rebuilt.
      27) Fixed a bug where ground elements which had an upgrade path set to 0 (instead of to themselves) could have some of their elements incorrectly sent back to the pool.
      28) Fixed bugs where the map popup was not closing correctly when either ground element details of support units were displayed, or when TOE(OB) of support units attached to a city were displayed.
      29) Fixed a bug where HQ units moving by naval transport were stopping when they entered an enemy zone of control in a water hex.
      30) Fixed a bug where CV counter values for Axis units during the first winter were not displaying the correct modified CV value for the “attack”.
      31) Fixed a bug preventing support units directly attached to combat units from helping in fort construction. Also fixed a bug that had allowed “inactive” support units to allow in fort construction.
      32) Fixed a bug where undoing an air base unit movement could wipe out air groups recently assigned to the air base from reserve.
      33) Fixed another instance where an isolated AI unit makes an illegal escape.
      34) Fixed a bug where new units could be formed in reserved slots in the database (0, 8172-8191).
      35) Fixed a bug where Soviet Military Districts and the Moscow Defense Zone that were isolated could not be destroyed when they should have been (they should be disbanded after October 1941 if they are forced to retreat).
      36) Fixed a bug where HQ or routed units can start the turn next to an enemy combat unit when other units in the stack surrendered during the logistic phase.
      37) Fixed a bug where enemy units were revealed by selecting a friendly unit and then shift-clicking on remote hexes.
      38) Made a change so that frontline attrition will never cause damage beyond the amount of ready squads.
      39) Fixed a problem where the unit names of units disbanded during combat were not being reported in the battle report.
      40) Fixed a bug where delayed air groups could reset their plane count on load/saving a scenario.
      41) Fixed a problem where HQ units were being listed as routed/retreated/shattered. This should not happen for HQ units.
      42) Fixed a problem where partisan units could form routed.
      43) Fixed a problem where hidden enemy units were being shown on the jump map when the end turn is pressed.
      44) Fixed a problem where units could receive a very large number of support elements as replacements which where were not needed.
      45) Made some improvements to the staging airbase selection code and air map generation code.
      46) Fixed a crash bug caused by right clicking on a unit in the right unit panel while another units TOE detail screen is open.
      47) Fixed so that HQ/Air Base units can no longer improperly be set static with the Shift-T hotkey.
      48) Fixed so that Germany will no longer send armaments to surrendered nations.
      49) Fixed a bug where the strongest units in a city or town were not correctly chosen for first winter mitigation effects (a weaker unit would sometimes be chosen instead).
      50) Fixed shading in water hexes when using Movement FOW.
      51) Fixed bugs that could in some cases prevent off-map factories from repairing/expanding.
      52) Fixed factories in isolated cities so they will not upgrade.
      53) Fixed a problem where newly arrived units which didn’t immediately receive replacements could get disbanded.
      54) Fixed a bug where leaders could be dismissed without fighting a battle.
      55) Fixed so that partisan cadres cannot get over 100% of OB.
      56) Fixed a bug where hidden p[artisan units could affect an Axis unit’s move path display.
      57) Fixed bugs where reorganizing/reforming Soviet unit messages appeared in the German Event Log.
      58) Fixed a bug where heavy AT guns were not being produced.
      59) Fixed a bug where units could get duplicate names due to OB/Guards conversions.
      60) Fixed a bug where Fighter Bombers with a fighter mission were sometimes flying in bomber strikes as bombers.
      61) Fixed a bug where 1 guard and 2 non-guard Soviet units when merged were forming a guard unit.
      62) Fixed a bug where combat values of support units attached to combat units were not benefitting from non-urban fort/terrain modifier.
      63) Fixed a problem where small partisan units with no listed supply need would not receive supplies from air resupply (even when missions were flown). Also fixed a display bug with the number of aircraft flown during a partisan resupply mission.


    Data and Scenario Changes

      1) Small adjustments of Heavy Panzer Battalions for correct OBs for arrival dates
      2) Moved the 653rd and 654th Heavy Panzerjager Battalions arrival date to 3 Jun 43
      3) Changed the Soviet 1st BAK Commander to Izotov in all 1941 scenarios
      4) Adjusted Operation Blue's Victory Points to make a German decisive victory a little easier. Stalingrad is now worth 300 VPs to the Germans at the end of the scenario (was 200). Soviet VPs for Baku is now worth 200 (was 300).
      5) Fixed Soviet overstack in 1943 Campaign at 85,24
      6) Ernst Leyser put as commander of XXVI Corps in 1943 Campaign
      7) Ran SET ALL CITY SUPPLY REQUIREMENTS in all non-campaign scenarios
      8) Updated leader file with corrections to German names
      9) Purged airgroups on the arrival schedule now arrive with the proper amount of aircraft in all scenarios
      10) German 41 Flak Regiments have been rebuilt in all scenarios to get rid of the 105mm Flak Gun
      11) Polizei SS Division rebuilt as a 43 SS Grenadier Division for the 1943 Campaign Game
      12) 22nd, 23rd, and 24th Panzer Division that arrive in Spring of 42 now have their historical tank numbers
      13) One Rumanian Anti-Tank Battalion was rebuilt to use the proper 47mm Anti-Gun in all scenarios
      14) Manpower and armament pools were wiped for all scenarios and campaigns except for the 1941 Campaign, Operation Barbarossa, Operation Typhoon, and "Road to" Scenarios.
      15) Manpower and armament pools adjusted slightly for "Road to" scenarios to be consistent with the 1941 Campaign game.
      16) Starting Administrative Point numbers slightly changed.  Soviets were getting extra APs due to them receiving their per-turn allotment prior to their first turn.
      17) Corrected amount of Support in OBs 86 & 87 (43 Guards Tank Corps) to agree with Support in OBs  104 & 105 (43 Tank Corps).
      18) Adjusted upgrade dates of German Panzer Pioneer squads (Units 101 – 104) to fix problems created by duplicate squads (102 & 103).
      19) Corrected device in Unit 370 (122mm Field Gun) from M-10 howitzer to A-19 field gun.


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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 5:00:07 PM   
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Thanks team..excellant

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 6:14:46 PM   
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Can you just explain for me, sorry for asking what might be an obvious question, how I can install 1.04 and keep playing current 1.03 at the same time? Don't want to muck it up....

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 6:56:05 PM   
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Many thanks for delivering this patch, people was quite eager.

@majeloz, you'll need to have two installs of WiTE. Not sure Windows 7 will like much having two installs for the same application. Other than that, I just loaded a PBEM game I started with 1.03 after upgrading 1.04. The only thing I'm noticing is that battle reports are bugged and only contain part of the information (the combat result i.e. SHATTERED, SURRENDER, RETREATED) and little else. That might fly or not with you. But I think it's quite a minor issue.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 7:07:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bletchley_Geek

The only thing I'm noticing is that battle reports are bugged and only contain part of the information (the combat result i.e. SHATTERED, SURRENDER, RETREATED) and little else. That might fly or not with you. But I think it's quite a minor issue.


I have the same issue. Minor annoyance.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 7:11:22 PM   
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One way is to install the original game to a different directory (leaving your original install untouched). Then use the 1.04 patch to upgrade the new install in the new directory. When you start the game from your original directory, you will be using the old 1.03 even though it will say 1.04.10 Beta at the top of the screen. The key is to note that there is no version number info listed in the bottom right of the main menu. This new information has been added in 1.04.10 and will not show up in versions before 1.04. When you run the game from the new directory, you will see on the main menu both the version installed number 1.04.10 Beta but also the actual version number of the exe 1.04.10. Having this info on the main menu will make it easier for you to know exactly what exe version you are using when you have multiple copies on the same computer (since they have to all share the same "installed" version number). I hope that helps.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 7:57:40 PM   
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quote:

The only thing I'm noticing is that battle reports are bugged and only contain part of the information (the combat result i.e. SHATTERED, SURRENDER, RETREATED) and little else. That might fly or not with you. But I think it's quite a minor issue.


Are these old battles generated with previous version? If yes, they are not quite "compatible" with new format. New ones should look correct.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 9:45:13 PM   
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The patch looks awesome.
Thank you

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 10:19:09 PM   
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I just started a new game as the Soviet player and on the first turn my air losses were only 1600 aircraft compared to 3500 to 3800 that I received in previous versions.  Is this intentional or is there a tweak that needs to be made?

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/20/2011 11:05:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesm

I just started a new game as the Soviet player and on the first turn my air losses were only 1600 aircraft compared to 3500 to 3800 that I received in previous versions.  Is this intentional or is there a tweak that needs to be made?



I just tested it. Because the AI bombing mode hits 1 airfield only once, and because Air army's can't participate in the same mission, you get less bombers per airfield as before.

BUT, if you press the "AI" button several times, your will be able to inflict the 3k ish soviet casualties as before. This happens because alot of your bombers did only 1 trip.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 12:57:09 AM   
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Some of the tweaks brought down the amount of aircraft that can be destroyed on turn 1 by AF attacks. This was good because the numbers have been on the high side. As Jajusha stated its now more useful to do multiple AI attack rounds if you want to destroy more Soviet aircraft then it has been in the past. The AI reserves it's aircraft for ground support missions and only does one pass of AF attacks. We may alter the AI in the future to run multiple AF attack rounds, but we're not sure that's needed since a lot of the aircraft is obsolete and the AI can use the extra ground support. We decided to wait and see if there are other AI issues that come up so Gary can work on any new AI issues all at one time.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 5:51:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Helpless

Are these old battles generated with previous version? If yes, they are not quite "compatible" with new format. New ones should look correct.


You are correct. The reports are normal again after the first turn with the new patch :)

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 8:06:54 AM   
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thanks for the advice re the install approach; guessed that was the workaround, but wanted to be sure. Still struggling on with Vista here...

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 8:37:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jajusha


quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesm

I just started a new game as the Soviet player and on the first turn my air losses were only 1600 aircraft compared to 3500 to 3800 that I received in previous versions.  Is this intentional or is there a tweak that needs to be made?



I just tested it. Because the AI bombing mode hits 1 airfield only once, and because Air army's can't participate in the same mission, you get less bombers per airfield as before.

BUT, if you press the "AI" button several times, your will be able to inflict the 3k ish soviet casualties as before. This happens because alot of your bombers did only 1 trip.


The trouble is that historically the Red Air Force lost ~3000 aircraft in the first week and this had a great effect on the rest of the campaign. I wonder if this will make it harder for the the Axis in the opening months of the war and may allow the Soviets to come out better in 1941 when than they should.

Also, what key(s) do you use for "AI"?

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 8:46:31 AM   
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1st turn is 4days long. Also most of the losses were not due to AF attacks

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 10:53:13 AM   
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1st turn is 4days long. Also most of the losses were not due to AF attacks


Are you in favor of Mark Solonin idea that "aggressive rebasing to the east" of pilots and ground personnel using trucks caused the loss of planes, left for the Germans to blow up?

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 10:55:27 AM   
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Are you in favor of Mark Solonin idea..


No

Solonin is not a historical researcher. If you want to know about VVS read Khazanov, Morozov, Kondratjev works.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 3:21:08 PM   
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What about sorties that occur by only one or two individual aircraft? I imagine the calculations can arrive at 1 or 2 planes are available so send them on a mission, but does this defy historical doctrine? Would an airbase really send just one or two planes on an interdiction or other mission?

Also, in reverse sometimes there are a hundred planes on a mission, "over-kill". I am wondering if the calculations and percentages could have a bit of min/max added that would be realistic.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 3:23:52 PM   
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I had started a turn in my current game vrs 76mm and it was the first mud turn in 1942. My CV values under 1.03 were 5-7 for my infantry divisions. After I patched the same units were all 1-2 when I went to finish the game. Was this the graphic fix that was noted as a fix for the blizzard or have my troops turned into mere shadows of what I had before :)

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 3:29:11 PM   
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My CV values under 1.03 were 5-7 for my infantry divisions


It was just display.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 3:32:33 PM   
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What about sorties that occur by only one or two individual aircraft?..


Well, massive raids took place together with really small fragmented strikes (which was especially true with early Soviet doctrine). Germans flew "free hunt" sweeps by individual planes as well.



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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 4:22:28 PM   
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I had started a turn in my current game vrs 76mm and it was the first mud turn in 1942. My CV values under 1.03 were 5-7 for my infantry divisions. After I patched the same units were all 1-2 when I went to finish the game. Was this the graphic fix that was noted as a fix for the blizzard or have my troops turned into mere shadows of what I had before :)


Hit "z" and you will see they still have proper defensive values, their true attack display seems to be shown. I was freaked out at first! Of course, it did also make it harder to eyeball what units were isolated due to supply until I "zeed"

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 4:46:36 PM   
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Are there any changes still being worked on that did not make it into this Beta?  I am just curious if there are still some definite changes we should expect to see in the near future. 

This patch is great it really changes the game a lot.  I used to try to include an infantry division in some hasty panzer attacks where they happened to be around but now this is less effective because they are penalized for being from a different HQ.  It makes me think to keep some Inf divisions assigned to Panzer Korps.  Also, how to organize the air force since different HQ don't fly together is another thing I am thinking about more.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 5:44:00 PM   
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Are there any changes still being worked on that did not make it into this Beta?  I am just curious if there are still some definite changes we should expect to see in the near future. 

This patch is great it really changes the game a lot.  I used to try to include an infantry division in some hasty panzer attacks where they happened to be around but now this is less effective because they are penalized for being from a different HQ.  It makes me think to keep some Inf divisions assigned to Panzer Korps.  Also, how to organize the air force since different HQ don't fly together is another thing I am thinking about more.



I think as long as Gary and Pavel are still breathing, we will most likely see future changes

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 7:13:19 PM   
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I just installed v1.04.10 and resumed my game as the Axis in a mud turn. Most of my units have a CV of 1, although their defensive CV reflects their fortification level. I take it the CV of 1 in a mud turn is the "true" value after weather modifications? Is there any way to see the unmodified value?

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 7:15:32 PM   
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I take it the CV of 1 in a mud turn is the "true" value after weather modifications? Is there any way to see the unmodified value?

Correct, and no.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 7:40:12 PM   
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Correct, and no.

OK, but the value shown on the Commanders Report screen for CV doesn't always agree with the value on the unit counter. For example, the value shown on the Commanders Report for 1st Pz Division is 3, but it is 2 on the unit counter. Why is there a difference?


Also 1st Pz is stacked with two other divisions and the CV's shown on the individual unit counters in the sidebar for the divisions are 1, 1, and 2. However the "combined" unit counter on the map shows a value of only 2. Since 1+1+2 = 4 why isn't the "combined value" =4?

I obviously won't be doing much attacking this turn!

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 7:44:07 PM   
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Attempting to follow useful instructions to re-install the game. That works fine. Then I try to apply the 1.04 patch and get an 'invalid serial number' result.

Has anyone else successfully got 1.03 and 1.04 running side by side? If so, please let me know how you did it.


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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 8:25:17 PM   
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OK, but the value shown on the Commanders Report screen for CV doesn't always agree with the value on the unit counter. For example, the value shown on the Commanders Report for 1st Pz Division is 3, but it is 2 on the unit counter. Why is there a difference?

Good question. Don't know the answer.


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Also 1st Pz is stacked with two other divisions and the CV's shown on the individual unit counters in the sidebar for the divisions are 1, 1, and 2. However the "combined" unit counter on the map shows a value of only 2. Since 1+1+2 = 4 why isn't the "combined value" =4?


Rounding of the numbers. If the unit is not depleted, or routed, then it will display a minimum value of 1. However, that real value could be much less. So, you might have something like 0.1 + 0.5 + 1.7 being summed and then rounded down to 2.

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RE: New Public Beta for WitE v1.0.4.10 - 4/21/2011 9:35:46 PM   
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The only thing I'm noticing is that battle reports are bugged and only contain part of the information (the combat result i.e. SHATTERED, SURRENDER, RETREATED) and little else. That might fly or not with you. But I think it's quite a minor issue.


Are these old battles generated with previous version? If yes, they are not quite "compatible" with new format. New ones should look correct.


Yes Pavel, they were 1.03 battles. I don't find surprising at all that the 1.03 battle reports were incompatible with the 1.04 ones.

Keep up the good work guys!

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