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Is there a way to slow production - 4/18/2011 1:00:33 PM   
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I own SuperNova.

I don't quite enjoy the extremely rapid pace of production and colony expansion.

Is there any way to slow down production, increase production costs with a mod or otherwise?

Thanks.
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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/18/2011 3:06:27 PM   
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It should be possible to mod but i am not a modder so haven't done it.

Suggestions to make it slower:

1) slow down the research rate...new buildings will take time before they are available, same for Ark ships.
2) Choose sparse density...less stars and planets but more important. Also contact with other races will be less quickly.
3) Select a larger galaxy, you'll get more time....i've had games where i didn't meet a single alien race during the first 100 turns...

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/19/2011 1:05:35 AM   
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I'm using the slowest research, very sparse, 300x300 galaxy.

It's ok but production for anything finishes in about 2 turns. So as long as I can reach colonizable worlds (quite easy), I can colonize extremely quickly.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/20/2011 2:24:18 AM   
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There is a "simple" way of solving this, like Anguille suggested, through mods.
By editing FacilityTypes.xml located in gamedir/XML/ you can change each structure build time (among other things like cost and upkeep).

I am making a mod that does something similar to that, if you want i can make some adjustments and give it to you, just tell me how slower you want things to be.


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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/21/2011 2:29:58 AM   
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Hmm. Thanks for the clue.

FacilityTypes.xml
DefenceTypes.xml
ShipTypes.xml
GroundUnitTypes.xml

I'm guessing I need to change the Time value to suit me.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/21/2011 2:35:02 AM   
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Ok now I need to find a way to slow down population growth. Anyone have any clue where that may be?

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/21/2011 3:49:50 AM   
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That is a bit more complex as it depends on several things like planet quality, type, racial bonuses, techs and so on.
An easy way to do this and still keep each races/faction positive bonuses or negative bonuses to the growth rate is to add growth penalty to specific races or all of them. Open Races.xml and add this line "<Capability Name="Low Growth Rate" Level="x"/>" after the already existing "Capability" lines for each race. The x i colored in red has to be replaced by a number ranging from 0 to 9 where 0 is 10% lower growth rate in game, 1 is 20% lower growth rate in game and so on until 9 that in game translates as 100% lower growth rate.

Example, from this :
<Race Name ="Human">
		<ShortDescription>
			Monkey descendents from Earth
		</ShortDescription>
		<LongDescription>
Chances are that if you're playing this game, you're one of them. The ape descendants survived the perils of war, energy shortages and global warming, and spread out into deep space.
Their agile minds and willingness to embrace change makes them adept at technology, but with their existence firmly rooted in the dimensions of time and space their ability to use the other dimensions of existence is poor.
An emphasis on individualism sometimes makes other races wary and slightly mistrustful of humans as they do not understand the way that motivation and moral compass vary from one individual to another. They also dislike the way that democratic government can lead to inconsistent high level policy.
		</LongDescription>
		<Symbols Population="@Human_Population" Victory="Art\UI\Victory-Human.jpg" Fleet="FS Human"/>
    <Animation Folder="Art\Animations\Human" Prefix="Human"/>
    <Sound Music ="Human" Accept ="HumanAccept" Talk ="HumanTalk" Reject ="HumanReject" Angry ="HumanAngry"/>
    <Capability Name="Disorderly" Level ="0"/>
  </Race>


to this (note that i've added a new line "<Capability Name="Low Growth Rate" Level="2"/>" just bellow the existing "Capability" line which in game makes the humans get -30% growth rate) :

<Race Name ="Human">
		<ShortDescription>
			Monkey descendents from Earth
		</ShortDescription>
		<LongDescription>
Chances are that if you're playing this game, you're one of them. The ape descendants survived the perils of war, energy shortages and global warming, and spread out into deep space.
Their agile minds and willingness to embrace change makes them adept at technology, but with their existence firmly rooted in the dimensions of time and space their ability to use the other dimensions of existence is poor.
An emphasis on individualism sometimes makes other races wary and slightly mistrustful of humans as they do not understand the way that motivation and moral compass vary from one individual to another. They also dislike the way that democratic government can lead to inconsistent high level policy.
		</LongDescription>
		<Symbols Population="@Human_Population" Victory="Art\UI\Victory-Human.jpg" Fleet="FS Human"/>
    <Animation Folder="Art\Animations\Human" Prefix="Human"/>
    <Sound Music ="Human" Accept ="HumanAccept" Talk ="HumanTalk" Reject ="HumanReject" Angry ="HumanAngry"/>
    <Capability Name="Disorderly" Level ="0"/>
    <Capability Name="Low Growth Rate" Level="2"/>
  </Race>

Note that by editing the races.xml all factions for the race/s you modify will take the same effects. If you want only certain factions to have this effect edit the factions.xml file.
Obviously for the races that already have a "Capability" line about the low growth rate (like the Qa Qa Assembly) you will only have to increase that number in proportion to the other races so you won't unbalance the game.

I highly suggest you dont edit the .xml files in the game directory but rather make a copy of the files you want to edit and place them in the following structure :

"yourmodname/XML/"

and place that "yourmodname" folder in "My Documents\My Games\Armada 2526\Supernova\Mods" and add the following parameter to your supernova shortcut (add the parameter in the target field) "-mods yourmodname", should look something like this "Z:\games\Armada 2526 SuperNova\Armada2526.exe" -mods MyMod
Keep the spacing and the quotes as shown or it wont work.

code99

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 4/23/2011 2:00:59 AM   
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Excellent, thank you for the tip!

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/8/2011 4:29:50 PM   
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Just wondering if any of you guys have made progress on your mods to slow things down. I'd be glad to test them, if so. Otherwise, I guess I'll attempt the same thing.

As an aside, I'm new to the game and haven't found anything in the manuals or the game itself to indicate how much time a turn represents. Left up to the imagination?



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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/11/2011 2:15:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

Just wondering if any of you guys have made progress on your mods to slow things down. I'd be glad to test them, if so. Otherwise, I guess I'll attempt the same thing.

As an aside, I'm new to the game and haven't found anything in the manuals or the game itself to indicate how much time a turn represents. Left up to the imagination?




I would be interested in a slow down mod as well has anyone made anything like this?

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/12/2011 2:56:32 AM   
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Did you check the mod section? Looks like someone did it.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/12/2011 4:03:02 AM   
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Yes, I did the Epic Experience Mod to slow things down. See the mods forum.

I'm playing with it now, plus another minor mod I made which adds a 1000 credits to the cost of all ships. I want to drastically cut down on the numbers of ships a player can build. I didn't post that one, because I doubt anyone else wants it.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/16/2011 6:17:59 AM   
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quote:

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Yes, I did the Epic Experience Mod to slow things down. See the mods forum.

I'm playing with it now, plus another minor mod I made which adds a 1000 credits to the cost of all ships. I want to drastically cut down on the numbers of ships a player can build. I didn't post that one, because I doubt anyone else wants it.


Actually that is exactly what I am looking for as well would love if you would post it!

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/17/2011 12:35:08 AM   
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quote:

Did you check the mod section? Looks like someone did it.


Did you check the mod section? Looks like he posted it there as a zip attachment.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/20/2011 6:01:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pappy

quote:

Did you check the mod section? Looks like someone did it.


Did you check the mod section? Looks like he posted it there as a zip attachment.


He posted his main mod but not the additional minor mod making ships more expensive would love both!

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/20/2011 8:11:54 PM   
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ok, just saw this, sorry. I will post the ship cost mod too. Look in the mods section for it very soon.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 5/26/2011 6:28:15 AM   
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ok, just saw this, sorry. I will post the ship cost mod too. Look in the mods section for it very soon.


Thanks!!!

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/11/2011 12:49:23 PM   
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Instead of making every ship more expensive by a fixed number (1000), would it be better to increase ship cost by a percentage (like maybe 300%)?

Sould the same increase be applied to planetary defenses, in order to balance ships vs. planets?

also: when playing with very slow technology (30% or lower), does income become too high as a result of having less things to spend it on? When I use The Epic Experience mod, does income become too high as the result of having twice the turns inbetween building and ship completions? If so, what can be done to balance income with lowered production times and research? Thanks in advance.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/12/2011 4:39:42 PM   
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Playing that mod I haven't ever had an excess of funds. I've put a mine everywhere I can, and keep taxes low for the most part.

You're probably right about multiplying cost by a fixed percentage, rather than just adding 1000 to each. That would have kept costs proportional.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/12/2011 5:02:22 PM   
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Playing that mod I haven't ever had an excess of funds. I've put a mine everywhere I can, and keep taxes low for the most part.

You're probably right about multiplying cost by a fixed percentage, rather than just adding 1000 to each. That would have kept costs proportional.


When you added 1000 to the cost of each ship, did you do so by going to each ship type in the XML? or is there an easier way?

I'm really interested in making my campaigns slower and more epic; though I don't like playing on large maps and controlling too many systems (makes each system less important and also can be tedius). But I do like playing with the maximum number of races a map will support. So my idea of epic isn't having lots of systems to manage. It's more about slowing things down and, like you, I don't like too many ships in my campaign; as with systems, too many ships makes each ship less significant.

Thanks again for creating this mod. If you add anything to it, I'd be happy to test it.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/12/2011 6:17:45 PM   
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Per your suggestion I added a new mod, but used 500% instead of 300. Your way made a lot more sense than the way I did it originally.

I don't know of an easier way. I just went through the xml files for ships, defense, and ground units. Hopefully if there is an easier, global way, someone will point it out.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/12/2011 7:53:28 PM   
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Per your suggestion I added a new mod, but used 500% instead of 300. Your way made a lot more sense than the way I did it originally.

I don't know of an easier way. I just went through the xml files for ships, defense, and ground units. Hopefully if there is an easier, global way, someone will point it out.

Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear you increased it for defense and ground units as well. It'll be interesting to see how the AI deals with ship building now; hopefully fine, just a lot less ships.

Which technology rate do you use with this mod? Considering that we know have double the production times, 30% less population growth and 500% more expensive ships, I'd imagine you recommend a very slow technology rate setting. Thanks again.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/13/2011 1:18:41 AM   
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I'm too much a newbie to recommend a research rate. The game I'm playing now, it's at 10%, which has a massive impact indeed. I absolutely have to concentrate on specialist research labs, or my research goes to hundreds of turns. I'm using a huge galaxy too, which gives me some time. If you go with a smaller galaxy, that 10% would be awfully dangerous.

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RE: Is there a way to slow production - 6/13/2011 10:26:42 PM   
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I always go with the proportional research rate. That seems to work best, at least for me.



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