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I found myself with spare time, so here is an update. Apologies for the repetition of some material from the previous post.
Artilerie Regiment:
Stab:
(No copy of KstN 401 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 43 men, 28 horses, 4 horse drawn vehicles, 4 motor vehicles, 6 motorcycles and 1 bicycle. The below is based on this data, plus the corresponding unit in an infantry regiment. http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/KStN_Bd/T78R392_H1_007.pdf lists KstN 401 dated 1945. I have ignored this, as I feel the differences would be too great.)
2 Light Rifle Squads
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
4 Trucks
1 Motorcycle Squad
Rgts.Nachr.zug:
(No copy of KstN 551 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 51 men, 41 horses, 5 horse drawn vehicles The below is based on this data, plus the corresponding unit in an infantry regiment.)
2 Light Rifle Squads
5 Horse Drawn Wagons
Stb.lei.Artl.Abt x3:
(No copy of KstN 403 could be found. Tessin, vol. 15, p. 152, lists 41 men, 27 horses, 4 horse drawn vehicles, 3 motor vehicles, and 5 bicycles. http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/KStN_Bd/T78R392_H1_007.pdf lists KSTn 403a (teilmot.) dated 1945. I have ignored it, as I feel the differences would be too great.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
2 Light Rifle Squads
3 Trucks
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html
lists
leichte Artilleriekolonne (32t) (x3) as well.
(KstN 506 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn5061okt37.htm )
I suggest the following for each unit in TOAW:
37 Horse Drawn Wagons
10 Light Rifle Squads (drivers etc. used to defend the unit in an emergency)
Art.Nachr.Zug x3:
KStN 553 – Not found. Tessin, vol 15, p. 152, lists 45 men, 38 horses, and 4 horse drawn vehicles.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
Art.Verm.Tr (Survey Detachment) x3:
KStN 528 – Not found. Tessin, vol 15, p. 152, lists 10 men, 10 horses, and 1 horse drawn vehicle.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
1 Horse Drawn Wagon
lei.Battr. (Light Battery) x6 (Later increased to x9)
(KStN 433 – No early version found. 433 dated 1944 can be seen at http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn4331mar44.htm . The arrangement with two batteries per battalion was due to a lack of artillery. This is mentioned in Keitel's memoirs. (Available for free from the despicable Mr. Irving at http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Keitel/index.html )
Tessin lists:
1026 men, 882 horses, 90 horse drawn wagons, 6 motor vehicles, and 6 motorcycles.
Looking at the 1944 KstN we can see armament including:
92 carbines, 16 pistols, 8 machine pistols, and 5 light machine-guns for a battery of 4 guns.
For one battery in TOAW I recommend:
4 LeFh 18
5 MG 34
2 Light Rifle Squads (drivers of the horses pulling the guns, equipped with carbines. The rest of the men so armed belonged to the supply or forward observer part of the unit and would likely not have been involved in combat, barring the most desperate situations.)
15 Horse Drawn Wagons
1 Truck
Stb.schw.Artl.Abt
(KstN 405 – No early version found.)
Tessin lists 41 men, 27 horses, 4 horse drawn wagons, 3 motor vehicles, and 5 motorcycles.
KstN 407 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn40716jan43.htm dated January '43 is the closest I have found online. I have ignored it, as the differences are very great.
For TOAW I suggest:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
3 Trucks
2 Light Rifle Squads
Artl.Nachr.Zug
(KstN 553 – Not found. Tessin lists 45 men, 38 horses, and 4 horse drawn vehicles.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
Artl.Verm.Tr
KStN 528 – Not found. Tessin lists 10 men, 10 horses, and 1 horse drawn vehicle.
I suggest the following for the unit in TOAW III:
1 Horse Drawn Wagon
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html lists
le.Art.Kol. (18t) (x3)
but gives no KstN.
As an educated guess I suggest the following for TOAW:
23 Horse Drawn Wagons
7 Light Rifle Squads
Schw.Battr. (x2 according to Tessin, x3 according to everyone else)
KstN 456 – Not found. Tessin lists 346men, 272 horses, 38 horse drawn vehicles, 2 motorcycles and 14 bicycles for the two batteries combined.
I suggest the following for the unit (one battery) in TOAW:
4 s.FH18 (150mm)
2 Light Rifle Squads
19 Horse Drawn Wagons
Aufklarungsabteilung (not listed in Tessin, taken from http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html)
Stab
(KstN unknown)
For TOAW I suggest, as a guess:
4 Horse Drawn Wagons
3 Trucks
2 Light Rifle Squads
Nachr.Zug
(KstN unknown, I have used the same as for an infantry regiment staff.)
(KStN 221 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn2215okt37.htm )
2 Light Rifle Squads
3 Horse Drawn Wagons
Reiterschwadron
(KstN unknown. I have used KstN 181 (Reiterzug) and assumed that a schwadron would have 3 zug. I have used the tross elements of a Radfahrschwadron.)
10 Cavalry Squads
18 l.MG
8 Horse Drawn Wagons
3 5cm mortars
radf.schwadr:
(This included by Tessin, who excludes the whole aufklarungs abteilung instead. No other sources show this unit here.)
(KStN 353 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn3531sept39.htm )
10 Bicycle Squads
18 l.MG
3 5 cm Mortars
7 Trucks
Schwere schwadron
(No KstN. See http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/1infdiv.html and http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011_germany/39_organ_army/39_id-1_welle.html for my sources.
3 SdKfz 221
2 75mm Infantry Guns
3 37mm AT Guns
Pionier Battalion
Stb.Pi.Btl.
KstN 702 – Not found. KstN 703 is a motorized stab, see http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7031okt37.htm see also http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011_germany/39_organ_army/39_id-1_welle.html and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=187048 .
As this is a stab unit, I will follow Tessin for vehicles, with reference to the above sources to estimate how many of the personell should be represented as available for fighting.
I suggest:
3 Horse Drawn wagons
2 Trucks
1 Light Rifle Squad (alternatively Motorcycle Squad)
4 l.MG (by 1944. I somehow doubt these were present in 1939)
Pi.Kp (x2)
KstN 711 – Not found. http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7111okt37.htm shows KstN 711(Lw) which is Landwehr. The number of men seems to agree with Tessin, so I will take the vehicles from Tessin, and the armament from 711(Lw). See also the forum discussion linked under the stab above.
I suggest:
9 Pionier Squads (Engineers,but personally I would choose Assault squads, considering the German doctrine.)
9 l.MG
(by 1944, but possibly earlier) 2 s.MG
(by 1944, but possibly earlier) 2 8cm mortars
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=187048 also includes 3 AT rifles
le. Pi.Kp (mot)
Tessin doesn't show this, but all other sources are unanimous.
(KstN 714 http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7141okt38.htm )
In TOAW
9 Pionier Squads (Engineers,but personally I would choose Assault squads, considering the German doctrine.)
9 l.MG
26 Trucks
9 Kubelwagen
Bruckko B
No KstN. See http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn7331jun44.htm for the same unit in '44. http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011_germany/39_organ_army/39_id-1_welle.html also shows the unit as motorized in '39, so i'll follow the '44 KstN below.
In TOAW:
16 Ferry-Bridging Teams (based on the number of pontoons carried by the unit. Use your own judgement.)
3 l.MG
38 Trucks
4 Light Rifle Squads (drivers)
l.Pi.Kolonne
(KstN 741 dated '43 was the closest I could find.)
In TOAW:
14 Trucks
2 l.MG
4 Light Rifle Squads (drivers)
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