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Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/26/2011 10:37:55 AM   
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Alright, so I got the allies. I'm going to do the anti Sir Robin defence which I have, in a moment od madness, named the Black Knight defence. It's only a flesh wound!

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/26/2011 11:47:18 AM   
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Alright, so I got the allies. I'm going to do the anti Sir Robin defence which I have, in a moment od madness, named the Black Knight defence. It's only a flesh wound!


Defend Clark Field rather than Bataan. Retreat *rapidly* to Singapore. Rebuild dead units rather than trying to extract small cadres. Use your SAGs aggressively. Be aggressive in Mindanao. Anything smaller than a regiment is a speed bump. Set up and use stay-behind forces aggressively, especially in China. Capture Ichang immediately.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/26/2011 2:15:48 PM   
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18 Div and floating sundry Brit units will go to Java. Dutch units on Borneo will be pulled back to Sumatra. (Or the other way round). Sundry base forces move to Palembang so the RAF can pull back there from Singers and make him fight for it.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/26/2011 2:17:13 PM   
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Retreat *rapidly* to Singapore


I think a Mersing landing might be on the cards. If so the Gnus at Singers might get in a few free shots.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/26/2011 4:38:26 PM   
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Ah, splendid! Bon chance.

Speaking of forward defence, what is your plan for Guam?

Which scenario?

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/26/2011 6:57:50 PM   
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Suicide merchant supply run to the PI? Reinforce Wake?

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/27/2011 11:41:56 AM   
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I've never seen PI fall due to lack of supply, the IJA is just too strong for the defenders there.

Scenario 1 (not my choice). Guam will be let go but Wake and Midway will be reinforced - with something or other.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/29/2011 3:22:55 PM   
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For both of you reading this I will do an update tonight when I run the turn.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/29/2011 5:45:13 PM   
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I've never seen PI fall due to lack of supply


I have.

Sometimes JJ just lets the Allies sit and eat their last rations on Bataan and work through their reserves before attacking. In our 2x2 PBEM, the IJ waited 'em out on Bataan. Final IJ forces deployed were not overwhelmingly powerful, it's just the Philippine Army / Scouts / USMC Regiment on Bataan is not equal to the task without supplies.

The downside for JJ doing this is that it took until early April for Bataan to fall.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/29/2011 5:46:35 PM   
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For both of you reading this I will do an update tonight when I run the turn.

Hey, that's *four* of us reading-at least. Your readership has DOUBLED overnight, dude!

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/29/2011 6:13:05 PM   
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Many a Japanese player just sends holding forces into the PI to await the eventual surrender/defeat of US forces due to a lack of supply. A well supplied US force in the PI could cause an undermanned IJA invasion of the PI some serious problems - or cause serious time line delays.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/29/2011 6:48:12 PM   
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Yeah, as best I recall cap_and_gown did mostly that. The forces on Luzon didn't evaporate from lack of supply, but they were worn down before the final attacks.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/29/2011 6:50:45 PM   
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I've never seen PI fall due to lack of supply, the IJA is just too strong for the defenders there.

Scenario 1 (not my choice). Guam will be let go but Wake and Midway will be reinforced - with something or other.


But the defenders will give up the fight when the supplies go to zero on Luzon. I was kidding about Guam

By the way, if you decide to get the Wildcats out of Wake, you can rescue the aviation support guys by PBY from Midway.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:04:41 PM   
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Infamy, Infamy they've all got it in for me!




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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:07:27 PM   
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Anyway, Turn1.

Pearl, meh.

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 5 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 4 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 6 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 5 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 2 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Downes, Bomb hits 1
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires
xAKL Hirondelle
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DM Pruitt
AV Curtiss
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DMS Wasmuth, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
PG Sacramento, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Allen, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS Zane, Bomb hits 1, on fire


But then! Manilla

Allied Ships
AM Bittern, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
PT-33, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AS Holland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-40, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Yu Sang, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1
xAK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT-34, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1
PT-32, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Pike, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Perch, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1
AS Otus, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 1
SS Permit, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS S-37, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Pope, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AO Pecos, Bomb hits 1
TK Gertrude Kellogg, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AM Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1
xAP President Madison, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Don Jose, Bomb hits 1
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 1
SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 1


And finally, every man and his ****su arrives at Mersing!

1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /1
42nd Infantry Rgt /1
5th Recon Rgt /2
III./143rd Infantry Bn /1
III/81st Nav Gd /1
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy /1
4th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
I./124th Infantry Bn /4
91st Nav Gd /1
11th Infantry Rgt /1
7th Tank Rgt /1
21st Ind. Engr Rgt /1
21st Infantry Rgt /1
II./124th Infantry Bn /1
23rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
47th Infantry Rgt /1
15th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF /1
55th Infantry Rgt /1
Kanno Det /7
22nd Recon Rgt /1
II./143rd Infantry Bn /1
6th Tank Rgt /1
48th Engr Rgt /1
I./143rd Infantry Bn /1
12th Engr Rgt /1
Tanaka Det /1
41st Guard Bn /1
56th Infantry Rgt /1
114th Infantry Rgt /1
4th Tank Rgt /1
3rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
41st Infantry Rgt /1
48th Recon Rgt /1
5th Engr Rgt /1
III./124th Infantry Bn /1
30th Fld AA Gun Co /1
5th Mortar Bn /1
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
20th AA Rgt /1
11th Shipping Engr Rgt /1
3rd Mortar Bn /1
48th Fld AA Bn /1
47th Fld AA Bn /1
8th Medium FA Rgt /1
34th Fld AA Bn /1
31st Fld AA Gun Co /1
45th Fld AA Bn /1
14th Army /1
40th Fld AA Bn /1
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1
18th Medium FA Rgt /1
3rd Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt /1
5th FA Rgt /1
48th FA Rgt /1
1st Medium FA Rgt /1
5th Field AF Const Bn /1
3rd Medium FA Rgt /1
3rd Engineer Const Bn /1
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
1st RF Gun Bn /1
25th Army /2
Southern Army /2
Southern Fleet /1
18th Mtn Gun Rgt /1
9th Base Force /1

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:08:59 PM   
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Troops stuck in Malaya will retreat to the west coast and be picked up and moved to Palembang. I hope we can reduce the place to burning rubble when he finally assaults the place.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:12:40 PM   
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If someone goes for Mersing, they really ought to let you give orders for Sir 5'3"s task force.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:15:37 PM   
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There will be payback.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:26:54 PM   
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Well, Pearl wasn't too bad, was it? Any of those Battleships in real danger of going down?

Manila was a bit of a thrilla, though. Ouch.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 10:45:30 PM   
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quote:

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And finally, every man and his ****su arrives at Mersing!

1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /1
42nd Infantry Rgt /1
5th Recon Rgt /2
III./143rd Infantry Bn /1
III/81st Nav Gd /1
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy /1
4th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
I./124th Infantry Bn /4
91st Nav Gd /1
11th Infantry Rgt /1
7th Tank Rgt /1
21st Ind. Engr Rgt /1
21st Infantry Rgt /1
II./124th Infantry Bn /1
23rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
47th Infantry Rgt /1
15th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF /1
55th Infantry Rgt /1
Kanno Det /7
22nd Recon Rgt /1
II./143rd Infantry Bn /1
6th Tank Rgt /1
48th Engr Rgt /1
I./143rd Infantry Bn /1
12th Engr Rgt /1
Tanaka Det /1
41st Guard Bn /1
56th Infantry Rgt /1
114th Infantry Rgt /1
4th Tank Rgt /1
3rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
41st Infantry Rgt /1
48th Recon Rgt /1
5th Engr Rgt /1
III./124th Infantry Bn /1
30th Fld AA Gun Co /1
5th Mortar Bn /1
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
20th AA Rgt /1
11th Shipping Engr Rgt /1
3rd Mortar Bn /1
48th Fld AA Bn /1
47th Fld AA Bn /1
8th Medium FA Rgt /1
34th Fld AA Bn /1
31st Fld AA Gun Co /1
45th Fld AA Bn /1
14th Army /1
40th Fld AA Bn /1
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1
18th Medium FA Rgt /1
3rd Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt /1
5th FA Rgt /1
48th FA Rgt /1
1st Medium FA Rgt /1
5th Field AF Const Bn /1
3rd Medium FA Rgt /1
3rd Engineer Const Bn /1
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
1st RF Gun Bn /1
25th Army /2
Southern Army /2
Southern Fleet /1
18th Mtn Gun Rgt /1
9th Base Force /1


Holy ****! It's the Mersing Gambit on steroids!

It looks like a freaking Boy Scouts Jamboree. I hope they brought enough port-a-potties.

Pearl not so bad...painful hemorrhaging of subs at Manila.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 11:22:21 PM   
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The Mersing gambit is what it is, but hitting a port so many time zones away from Pearl is IMO gamey unless discussed beforehand. The thing is that the game engine gives full surprise, so there is no ramp up of defenses for ports hit hours after the first one. I've had an opponent forgo hitting Pearl and instead hit several ports in the orient that are all close time-wise to each other, and that seemed reasonable.

YMMV

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/30/2011 11:42:12 PM   
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Any form of the Mersing Gambit takes you into cloud cuckoo land. It doesn't matter that the attacker may have limited his landings to the Far East. Mersing is just up the coast from the biggest naval base in a large part of the world. It's taking unrealistic advantage of an space-like boundary to the game world.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 1:50:38 AM   
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If someone goes for Mersing, they really ought to let you give orders for Sir 5'3"s task force.

Napolean?

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 1:53:31 AM   
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The Mersing gambit is what it is, but hitting a port so many time zones away from Pearl is IMO gamey unless discussed beforehand. The thing is that the game engine gives full surprise, so there is no ramp up of defenses for ports hit hours after the first one. I've had an opponent forgo hitting Pearl and instead hit several ports in the orient that are all close time-wise to each other, and that seemed reasonable.

YMMV

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 1:53:43 AM   
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Any form of the Mersing Gambit takes you into cloud cuckoo land. It doesn't matter that the attacker may have limited his landings to the Far East. Mersing is just up the coast from the biggest naval base in a large part of the world. It's taking unrealistic advantage of an space-like boundary to the game world.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 4:23:46 AM   
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Harry I didn't mean to be unclear my mixing comments. I was referring solely to keeping port attacks to areas that experience dawn close enough in time to each other to be reasonably realistic.

The Mersing gambit is different. I see what you are saying, but if the Allied player had Force Z heading north in patrol mode with a reaction setting then it would probably simulate real life better. Most of us Allied players choose to do something else with Force Z because of the unlikelihood of the Mersing gambit.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 3:01:20 PM   
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And also because you get sunk by Betties.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 3:15:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

If someone goes for Mersing, they really ought to let you give orders for Sir 5'3"s task force.

Napolean?


Tom Thumb, aka Sir Tom Philips, who really was a short arse.

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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 3:18:26 PM   
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This is not some kinf od LotR forced perspective...




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RE: Nix mit der schitzengrubers! sprior v undercovergeek - 3/31/2011 3:38:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sprior


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

If someone goes for Mersing, they really ought to let you give orders for Sir 5'3"s task force.

Napolean?


Tom Thumb, aka Sir Tom Philips, who really was a short arse.


One of those kids who joined the RN before their growth spurt and--due to the diet--never had it? It happened in the IJN, too.

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