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Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/22/2011 11:41:51 PM   
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Don't know how many of you follow F1, but THIS is just crazy IMHO. Does the bl**dy man want motor racing, or a circus?
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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/22/2011 11:59:00 PM   
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I don't know why they don't just change the regs so that the design of the cars allow easier overtaking......

The cars would look better too by getting rid of all those winglets and things.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/22/2011 11:59:42 PM   
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F1 racing is boring.

I am amazed the fan base is greater than 3 people.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:04:14 AM   
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F1 racing is boring.

I am amazed the fan base is greater than 3 people.

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Apart from Bahrain I don't think anyone can say 2010 was boring. There have been some rank years - but it's still the pinnacle of single seater racing.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:04:20 AM   
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I do hope that Bernie isn't a Matrix forum member or the title of this thread will just give him another idea.

Marbles ...... who needs sprinklers and water, lets use marbles on the track, that'll make it more interesting !

Although I do find F1 a tad boring at times this seems the wrong way to go about making it more interesting particularly as F1 has spent most of the last 20 years introducing measures to improve driver safety

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:18:24 AM   
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F1 races are undeniably more exciting and unpredictable in the rain. But even the suggestion of having to resort to an act of nature to produce overtaking, should tell you how difficult it is to pass with the current regulations. Bernie has definitely had some wacky ideas over the years, but he did suggest the current three-round qualifying system, which is very exciting. Actually, for me qualifying is the most exciting thing about the race weekend. Oh, and the pre-race grid interviews.  

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:18:43 AM   
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In F1, passing is difficult, not because of skill but because the tracks are too narrow.

The winner is decided in practice where there is no overtaking. He who gets poll position, or in the top 3, will win.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:22:47 AM   
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quote:

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F1 racing is boring.

I am amazed the fan base is greater than 3 people.

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I find it a bit more exciting than NASCAR.....still, I'd take cutting my grass with scissors over watching NASCAR or Formula 1 anyday.....

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:28:21 AM   
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Well boring or not, all the best to Lewis , Jenson and Paul Di Resta for 2011. Here's hoping too that McLaren get their act together - the car seems to be both slow and unreliable - as soon as possible or the Red Bulls will walk away with the title.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:31:46 AM   
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quote:

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In F1, passing is difficult, not because of skill but because the tracks are too narrow.

The winner is decided in practice where there is no overtaking. He who gets poll position, or in the top 3, will win.


Warspite1

It's not the track width - it's the aerodynamics. The cars performance falls off when they get into the "dirty" air of the car in front.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:34:22 AM   
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Warspite1It's not the track width - it's the aerodynamics. The cars performance falls off when they get into the "dirty" air of the car in front.



So, they should avoid that problem.

With a wider track the problem disappears.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 12:39:45 AM   
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No - not when there is one ideal line through any given corner. Plenty of tracks e.g. silverstone are plenty wide enough. This is not the issue (although in a related point, the track layout can affect overtaking possibilities). Zandvoort always gave excellent racing with the hairpin at the end of the long straight, and a fast corner leading onto that straight.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 2:11:08 AM   
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I like open wheel racing and want to like F1, but it is just too boring in most races. The most exciting open wheel racing in the world is IndyCar at Texas Motor Speedway at night. I know they're just going in circles, but the openness of the track makes just about anything possible.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 2:12:31 AM   
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I will never understand why your excellent, and always exciting, British Touring Car series isn't more popular. I always try to catch it on TV. That series and American Lemans offer, to me, some of the best racing around. I was a huge F1 fan for many long years, but I lost interest around the time that they changed the engine size and the cars stopped looking like...well cars. Might as well watch NASCAR, for all the excitement in F1 lately.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 3:40:40 AM   
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People only watch NASCAR and F1 for the crashes......now if you want to see REAL racing cars I suggest you watch the Aussie V8 Supercars.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 9:09:48 AM   
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quote:

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Don't know how many of you follow F1, but THIS is just crazy IMHO. Does the bl**dy man want motor racing, or a circus?


April fools day?
Can't believe it's serious...

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 9:32:33 AM   
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People only watch NASCAR and F1 for the crashes......now if you want to see REAL racing cars I suggest you watch the Aussie V8 Supercars.

Warspite1

I'm sure there are some people who watch whatever form of motor racing for the crashes - including Aussie V8 Supercars -but these morons are in the minority.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/23/2011 5:24:40 PM   
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F1 is boring,what they need to do is;

1.Remove all driver aids.

2.Have manual gearboxes.

3.No wings.


Then we will see just who are the best drivers!

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/24/2011 11:17:57 PM   
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I liked the cars of the mid-'60s best (the ones that looked like cigars), but a racing series that still had four drivers in contention for the championship in the last race of the season without having to stoop to NASCAR type hijinks is not a boring racing series.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/26/2011 8:38:03 AM   
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Well boring or not, all the best to Lewis , Jenson and Paul Di Resta for 2011. Here's hoping too that McLaren get their act together - the car seems to be both slow and unreliable - as soon as possible or the Red Bulls will walk away with the title.
Warspite1

Well, early days, but McLaren do seem to have got their act together. However, Vettel looks to be in a class of his own .

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/26/2011 9:02:32 AM   
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I think that the best years of F1 were in 70s. Huge engines and six-wheelers. Too bad I was born in 1980.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/26/2011 9:14:37 AM   
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I think that the best years of F1 were in 70s. Huge engines and six-wheelers. Too bad I was born in 1980.

Warspite

Nah.. the turbo era of the 80's with up to 1,000bhp in qualifying trim, was the age of the big engines. BMW in particular would bring engines specifically for qualifying!!

The six wheelers were only around for a couple of seasons (just two constructors I think - March and Tyrrell) and proved less than successful before being banned.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/26/2011 9:18:38 AM   
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warspite1, you are right they were only for a couple of years, but they look so awesome and brought something really new. Today there is no difference between two cars for an ordinary man.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/26/2011 9:27:30 AM   
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warspite1, you are right they were only for a couple of years, but they look so awesome and brought something really new. Today there is no difference between two cars for an ordinary man.

Warspite1

That's true enough . Off the top of my head I think 1983 was the last time the cars came to the grid with lots of different designs (new rules came into effect that saw the banning of flat bottom, ground effect cars) and was far more interesting. There has been the occasional ground breaker since, but nothing like that season in scale.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/27/2011 12:56:44 AM   
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warspite1, you are right they were only for a couple of years, but they look so awesome and brought something really new. Today there is no difference between two cars for an ordinary man.

Warspite1

That's true enough . Off the top of my head I think 1983 was the last time the cars came to the grid with lots of different designs (new rules came into effect that saw the banning of flat bottom, ground effect cars) and was far more interesting. There has been the occasional ground breaker since, but nothing like that season in scale.


I'll agree with you but wanted to make a technical note: the ground effect cars were not flat bottomed, they were built with a venturi tunnel in the underside. The new rules banning the ground effects forced a switch to flat bottomed cars. IIRC, the first attempt at curbing the ground effects cars banned the moving skirts which helped maintain the venturi effect. That wasn't enough, so in the long run they banned the venturi tunnel undercarriages.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/27/2011 9:02:08 AM   
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Indeed, and thank you for the clarification. I should have said banning of ground effect and introduction of flat bottoms - in my defence it was over 25 years ago - wow that makes me feel old.

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/28/2011 7:56:52 PM   
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That new movable rear wing was kinda cool, and seemed to help create a few passes. If the target wasn't using KERS, of course. Gotta give the nod to Mr. Petrov for his first podium. 

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RE: Bernie finally loses his marbles - 3/28/2011 9:09:37 PM   
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That new movable rear wing was kinda cool, and seemed to help create a few passes. If the target wasn't using KERS, of course. Gotta give the nod to Mr. Petrov for his first podium. 

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Yep - the boy dun good (unlike his team mate)........

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