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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 12:22:47 AM   
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Ok guys...turn sent back...it took me nearly one day to re-organize everything...biggest problem was the lost of so many air groups...that is going to hurt...i have anyway found a way to use all those fragments...placed them on escort role in the Aleutinas and Kuriles... nearly 700 between SDBs and TBs are now covering my supply routes, along with 400 escort fighters... interlocking bases should provide some threat to the KB raiding....and soon my mini-DS will be operating on those searoutes...

WE ARE NOT DEAD!

Tomorrow we'll launch our retaliation first night raid against Osaka.

You wanna play hard? Let's play harder!

COM'ON!!!!!

The Defences or Sadogashima are being organized... 48 australian spits are now placed there...we expect a lot of sweeps and bombing runs for tomorrow...let's see how these brave australian will perfom against overwhelming odds!

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 1:07:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok guys...turn sent back...it took me nearly one day to re-organize everything...biggest problem was the lost of so many air groups...that is going to hurt...i have anyway found a way to use all those fragments...placed them on escort role in the Aleutinas and Kuriles... nearly 700 between SDBs and TBs are now covering my supply routes, along with 400 escort fighters... interlocking bases should provide some threat to the KB raiding....and soon my mini-DS will be operating on those searoutes...

WE ARE NOT DEAD!

Tomorrow we'll launch our retaliation first night raid against Osaka.

You wanna play hard? Let's play harder!

COM'ON!!!!!

The Defences or Sadogashima are being organized... 48 australian spits are now placed there...we expect a lot of sweeps and bombing runs for tomorrow...let's see how these brave australian will perfom against overwhelming odds!


That's the spirit GreyJoy!!

I've been an observer of both AAR's for quite some time and admire the way you've conducted yourself through out the process.

I felt you were behind the eightball from the very beginning for a variety of reasons, some being the HRs, Raders experience, your lack of experience, scenario 2 and a few others. Although you've had an unfortunate turn of events you have an opportunity to use it as fuel to learn from what you have to overcome at this stage. It will make you a tougher adversary. You've come a long way in a short time, keep your head up and thanks for the entertainment. <thumbs up>

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 4:42:19 AM   
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Ser Greyjoy, you blundering baffoon, you have broken all our toys. All of them! How am I to ever get off this freezing beach and go about my, uh specialty activities?? Huh? How, I ask!

But, seriously, Greyjoy, your game and the discussion in this AAR has really put to the test the program we call WitPAE and all so enjoy. It has given the agme develpors a real look at late war agme mechanics. The the test has proven the need for some examination of the air mechanics and perhaps other areas. We all owe you and Rader a debt of gratitude for carrying the ball so deeply into the game......... and Valentina as well for "loaning" you to us for a bit.

Bravo, ser, bravo.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 4:54:24 AM   
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I have a few questions, some for GJ, some for the peanut gallery:

1) What does the KB look like in Scen 2 at this point?
2) Have you advanced in Burma, do you threaten Sumatra and Singapore at all? Would this be a practical axis of attack to stifle oil supplies?
3) Likewise, is an incursion near Java practical?

To me conducting strategic bombing over Honshu while keeping the beachhead threat viable might mean some good gains could be had in the SE Asia/DEI region.

Cheers,
CC

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 5:22:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha77


quote:

ORIGINAL: EUBanana


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ORIGINAL: JeffK
IMHO It is exacerbated by the narrow thrust that GJ has used rather than a theatre wide approach. There is no need for rader to defend anywhere except the HI so both players probably have 75%+ of there air forces facing a 5-6 hex front.


Yup. I've never seen battles this big before, I'm in Feb 1944, and I can't really see it happening to be honest for some time yet.

I don't like overstacking airbases so that means about 15 squadrons max in the typical airbase, and too few airbases to have more than a couple such on a given axis of advance.

Like if I took Guam and Saipan for B29 purposes thats just two airfields at a huge range from Japan, I can't see it being all that effective or leading to vast air battles.


You should take Hokaido, these bases can have lvl 9 AFs

Btw. I just got also a "big" raid from Jap AI in June44 (400 or so I believe), couldn´t be stopped also. Even if strong CAP from land + CVs. But only 5 CVE sunk by Kamis

But I would be interested to see a screenie from some of the fighters than were on these carriers, GJ........ if you still have the turn before the disaster. Did you rebase them from landbases to the carrieres recently ? That could be one of the reasons also for poor performance.

Also I find the location you choose for this strike/landing op a bit strange


Using only the Marianas will also be a problem, unless you have the japanes heavily occupied in China, Burma, SWPac or Phillipines and annoying threats from the Aleautians and NW Australia.

I also think GJ attack was odd, less odd would have been Marcus Is or Iwo Jima to open another line of approach and threaten the southern HI.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 5:27:15 AM   
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There is a thread in the Help Forum from your opponent complaining about the results of your Osaka raid.

Unfortunately you have given him another reason to whine about your results wheras he has been living in fantasyland in the game.

You will never win against this guy, he'll want a House Rule about using any sort of aircraft next.

Ciao.


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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 6:09:29 AM   
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Hey Grey, congrats to you and your fighting spirit,
not many players would keep playing this game, and what
is more important, stay positive about this game and game
engine!
Thats makes you one of the best ppl here on boards (not that
many of them remains here).

As for the game. Game engine is borked in most cases- for both sides - and it
seems that Grey is one of few who realise that. But instead of whining he decide
to play this game and enjoy in it. Cudos to him!

As for the rest: what makes you think guys that you can keep trolling trough both
of AARs (raders and grey?). Yes, thats crying like babies: "thats not historical, japan
should never be able to do that and that....etc, etc, while ignoring or justifying
bugs and cheats like AF icons, kamikazes hiting barges, PT's, "storing supply in pockets
for months".

You guys seems incapable to learn how to play this game. I'll tell you a secret:

Allies shouldnt invade target ever if you didnt achive airsuperiority, which means Grey should
close several AFs or cripple his bomber force. Spare me of "so called" arguments like "hey it
isnt posible due uber Japs capability". Ive played this game for so long and i know that is
possible.

So stop whining and start to learn how to play and understand this game. Im not suprised with Grey, hey
i would do worse if i were in his boots (his first PBEM, right?). In fact he is quick learner and
he has many good ideas, but due lack of experience he doesnt always benefite from that.

Im suprised that there is so many veterans here who cant realise that, and they cant learn. Over
and over. So, you have two choices guys, adopt to it or quit play and whine.


PS. I was forced to jump in after Grey politely asked you to stop with crying histeria (lol, try there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPm6lDYKujY&feature=related), but you just couldnt stop.

I hope you guys will find enough strenght and stop it once. Please dont kill Greys and rader's joice and AAR. And yes, do not bother to answer to me. I will not respond





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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 7:32:31 AM   
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lol, Pauk



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Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 8:16:21 AM   
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Oct 20, 21 1944

Ok guys, another chapter of history of the western civilization has begun to be written: The Struggle for life of Sadogashima!

Rader started to send in in midget subs and his motor torpedo boats (i'm sure the big boys will pay a visit anytime soon), followed by hundreds of 3rd and 4th generation fighters sweeping the skies and by 200 Helens that bombed the base merciless.
I hadn't abbandoned the idea of defending the waters and the skies around and above my outpost.
My DDs managed somehow to keep the motor boats and the midgets at bay (a part from a lonely LSI that has been sunk while delivering a seabee battallion).
The day was characterized by the fourtyeight australian aces who did wonders against Shidens, KI-83 (gosh these are vastly superior to anything i have) and KI-84-Rs...
We achieved a solid 3-1 in our favour (the australian were helped in the effort by 60 Corsairs on LRCAP which were fragments from the carrier battle...) and the base is still open, despite being very damaged.
I need more engineers there. Was a mistake of mine not to send enough engineers...
However we delivered some more 40k supplies today...and the base now has 68k supplies... it will be a race for life... the kind of battleground that i prefer.
Our 2 Australian Squadrons lost 2 pilots and 10 got wounded...but they surely brought with them to hell a lot more japanese fanatic pilots.
His kamikaze managed to slip through at 40 feet and sunk a CL (an old one) and several AKAs... but we're still there, fighting!

NO FEAR!

we're gonna see some very interesting turns from now on...

Now i will give the ozzies a break and send them back to Hakodate to rest and refit. They will be substituted by P-38s and P-47s on LRCAP duties. We're also trying to open an air bridge with 700 transport planes and a train of barges is already active.
The APDs will try to do their own part and several ASW TFs and DD Divisions will be sent to those dangerous waters.

This will be their highest hour!

Man...i love this game!

PS: Rader has doubts about the night bombing effects. I gotta say that the results we achieved (reported by Rader himself) are vastly superior to what we have seen last night during our test runs (during our conference call we spent 1 hour testing the night bombing effects against manpower)...don't know what to say sincerly....gotta think about it...




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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sadogashima at 114,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ML G-322, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Luce
DD Wickes
DD Young
DD Cassin Young



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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sadogashima at 114,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-843
MTB G-846
MTB G-231, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-234, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Luce
DD Wickes
DD Young
DD Cassin Young



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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sadogashima at 114,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-843
MTB G-846

Allied Ships
CL Caradoc
DD Dewey
DD Peary
AKA Algol
AKA Thuban
AKA Virgo
AKA Centarus
AKA Aquarius
AKA Jupiter
AKA Arneb
AKA Chara
AKA Capricornus
AKA Tolland, Shell hits 1
AKA Uvalde
AKA Andromeda
DD De Haven II
DD Blue II



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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sadogashima at 114,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 61, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
SC Ch 63, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
SC CHa-85, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Killen
DD Yarnall, Shell hits 1



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Submarine attack near Sadogashima at 114,56

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-12, hits 8, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hailey
DD Evans
DD Stembel
DD Hall




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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 33
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 29



Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 30
B-29-1 Superfort x 44


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 5 damaged



Manpower hits 75
Fires 33640




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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 140 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J7W1 Shinden x 55
N1K1-J George x 3



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 48 The ANGELS OF SADOGASHIMA
F4U-1A Corsair x 84


Japanese aircraft losses
J7W1 Shinden: 9 destroyed!!!!!!

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed



No.75 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 10 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 10 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J7W1 Shinden x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 79



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 47
F4U-1A Corsair x 67


Japanese aircraft losses
J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J7W1 Shinden x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 20
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 24
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 179
Ki-100-I Tony x 130



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 44
F4U-1A Corsair x 42


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 36 destroyed

No Allied losses


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 15
Port hits 1


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sadogashima at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 15
J2M3 Jack x 7
J7W1 Shinden x 6
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 11



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 30
F4U-1A Corsair x 26


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed




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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 157 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 41 these are the best fighters...

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 21
F4U-1A Corsair x 15


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed




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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 157 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 31



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed




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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 24



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 1


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sadogashima at 114,56

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-36 Ida x 10



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 4 destroyed
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Evans
DD Hall
DD Stembel



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-36 Ida flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb






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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 21, 44

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Submarine attack near Sadogashima at 114,56

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-58

Allied Ships
LSI(L) Kanimbla, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled


LSI(L) Kanimbla is sighted by SSX Ha-58
SSX Ha-58 launches 2 torpedoes



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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 188 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 46 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 64



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 33
F4U-1A Corsair x 62


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed


No.75 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 6 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 7 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 28000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 58 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 157 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 49 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 21
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 155
Ki-100-I Tony x 73



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 30
F4U-1A Corsair x 37


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 6 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 44
Port hits 5
No.75 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 38000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire VIII (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 36000 and 38000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 154 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 36



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 26
F4U-1A Corsair x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 31



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sadogashima at 114,56

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 21



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 10


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 12 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AKA Chara
DD Dewey
CL Caradoc, Kamikaze hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AKA Capricornus, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD De Haven II
AKA Jupiter, Kamikaze hits 1
AKA Arneb, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire
AKA Tolland, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Blue II
AKA Algol



Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-43-IIIa Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb




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Morning Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 13



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed





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Afternoon Air attack on Sadogashima , at 114,56

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 139 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 7
J7W1 Shinden x 22



Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 48


Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 3 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed








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RE: Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 8:29:15 AM   
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I know i'm not paying enough tribute to those USMC pilots who did have a much tougher time on LRCAP missions and fought with equal valour over Sadogashima...but you know...Australia is now very far from the front line...and the aussies are starting to get a bit cooler than before about our war effort...a lot of australian soldiers are stuck on the beaches in Japan...****ting themselfs in trenches attacked more by diarrhea more than by japanese shells...they want their boys home..."the war is over" they say..."ask for a reasonable peace" they scream...

...so, as you know, propaganda needs Heores to keep the spirit high...and we're giving them what they want...what they need...heores...Angels....Angels over Sadogashima (where, btw, there are quite a bunch of aussie infantry soldiers too!)


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RE: Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 8:41:21 AM   
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Oh, obviously guys i thank you ALL so much for the support you're giving me, both technical and spiritual. As you may understand i cannot answer to all of you in details...but i'll do my best to keep this "adventure" we're making togheder...this journey... as entrataining as possible!


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I know i'm not paying enough tribute to those USMC pilots who did have a much tougher time on LRCAP missions and fought with equal valour over Sadogashima...but you know...Australia is now very far from the front line...and the aussies are starting to get a bit cooler than before about our war effort...a lot of australian soldiers are stuck on the beaches in Japan...****ting themselfs in trenches attacked more by diarrhea more than by japanese shells...they want their boys home..."the war is over" they say..."ask for a reasonable peace" they scream...

...so, as you know, propaganda needs Heores to keep the spirit high...and we're giving them what they want...what they need...heores...Angels....Angels over Sadogashima (where, btw, there are quite a bunch of aussie infantry soldiers too!)





How very familiar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCe2Y7iVF8

MacArthur's rep is going to be even worse in your reality with the Aussies than it was IRL.

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RE: Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 9:17:00 AM   
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Pics of the Angels. Really proud of my boys...




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RE: Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 9:18:41 AM   
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Most of these guys fought over Rekata Bay and Tulagi...and there they, having danced with the Death for months, learnt how not to fear it and to move at its rythm...




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RE: Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 9:41:32 AM   
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Probably Sadogashima won't be defendable in the long run...but i wanna believe it is possible.

I wanna believe we can have another Tulagi Miracle here, right in the heart of Japan...where we can smell the bad breath of Hiroito...

Do you remember at Tulagi? Everybody called for abbandoning the whole area...abbandoning everything till New Zeland...while we traced a line in the sand and Rader broke his horns against our heroism... was tough...the battles fought were all on the edge... i know here it's different...we're playing right in the Devil's backyard here... but we have no choice. This is where we fight and die, but it's a promise: we're gonna take with us a lot of japs!

HURRAH!

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RE: Angels over Sadogashima - 1/27/2012 10:15:50 AM   
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It seems to me you need to get several AA units to Sadogashima. Both 40mm Bofors equipped to stop any attacks below 10kft (they are murderous there in numbers) and 90mm ones to disrupt him at higher elevations. But I'm not sure fast transports can manage the larger guns..

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 10:44:07 AM   
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At least not in early 1944 before destroying / attriting the bulk of the IJNAF and KB.

I don't think rader has lost even 40 000 planes by this point. Historically Japan made about 50 000 combat planes, despite the concentrated campaign of economic striangulation (understandably harder to do in Scen 2, which still features super-Es, but still doable), which did not happen in this game. Of course, operational losses outside of combat are nearly nonexistent in AE. But that benefits both sides.

I have to wonder, though, where rader takes pilots for his aircraft.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 11:33:19 AM   
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I have to wonder, though, where rader takes pilots for his aircraft.


Presumably there is finally some attrition of his skilled pilot pools and those Shindens are being piloted by "less than the best".

It would certainly explain the combat result.

Pretty indicative if so as I would expect him to put the best he has into his jets. So the best he has clearly isn't all that anymore.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 11:36:02 AM   
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A very minor comment here, but it's odd how some of your very good Aussie pilots have such poor defensive ratings. Like Livesey, T.W. who has 10 kills and 84 EXP 76 AIR but only 43 DEF? A few more there in the low 50s.

I guess he just kills everything in front of him before they have a chance to make a run from behind!


As for Rader's pilots, I'm sure they were much worse 6 moths ago during the major battles and losses in the Solomons. Some must be improving because every once in a while he gets an even result with lots of kills, and those pilots would jump into a high EXP range quickly, and probably sty alive in subsequent defensive battles more often.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 11:47:43 AM   
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Yes String, i'll need Engineers, AA and CD guns ASAP...shame on me not to have brought them with me during the invasion...

In the meanwhile i've placed 450 mines at Sadogashima and am flooding the whole area with subs.

The moon is rising...34% today...so the moment for the PTs is slowly fading away...however i've managed to put to Sadogashima 30 PTs and more DD divisions are coming from Hakkodate.

I'm now organizing a situation where i can have at least 1 strong SC TF every one of the two nights that are comprised in a turn...so to say:

SCTF 1 will rush in the first night and retire with the sunrise, TF2 will arrive ONLY on the second night and retire the following day.
During daylight only DD Divisions will be allowed to be placed there

I'm also organizing the resupply effort for Sadogashima.

LSTs will be used to bring in AAs and Engineers vehicles. Air transport and fast transports will provide the delivery of the light stuff (personell and support).
A CD gun regiment will be moved in also.

We need some bad weather over there ...i will pray the God of rain hard!

Yes Obvert...however you're not allowed to criticize them...you're harming our Propaganda effort!

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 11:55:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

I have a few questions, some for GJ, some for the peanut gallery:

1) What does the KB look like in Scen 2 at this point?
2) Have you advanced in Burma, do you threaten Sumatra and Singapore at all? Would this be a practical axis of attack to stifle oil supplies?
3) Likewise, is an incursion near Java practical?

To me conducting strategic bombing over Honshu while keeping the beachhead threat viable might mean some good gains could be had in the SE Asia/DEI region.

Cheers,
CC



Hi CC...

1) D:O:N:T:W:A:N:N:A:K:N:O:W: (it will probably scare me to death)
2) At all, all my non-restricted units (well, most of them) are being transfered to Hokkaido) and Rader is keeping a strong garrison in Burma anyway.
3) No. I concentrated everything here. Simply forget the rest of the map. I see the flaws of this approach...but the die has been cast so long ago and now it's too late to come back


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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 1:16:37 PM   
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There is a thread in the Help Forum from your opponent complaining about the results of your Osaka raid.

Unfortunately you have given him another reason to whine about your results wheras he has been living in fantasyland in the game.

You will never win against this guy, he'll want a House Rule about using any sort of aircraft next.

Ciao.



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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 2:02:07 PM   
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I think thats not fair. Rader has the same right to ask about results he don't understand as anyone else. The Houserules they started with were quite bad for GreyJoy, but they are able to talk about them. If the nightbombing may ruins raders work far too fast, then i am pretty sure GreyJoy will accept a tuning of it.

In the end, its the fun you have while playing thats important, and even with the latest "drawback", GreyJoy (and rader) seem to have a lot of fun.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 2:14:42 PM   
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Well its not that surprising that both players come up with questions about results in the tech forum often. The ingame situation is rather new.
I agree that the house rules favor Rader but GreyJoy said its ok so nothing to complain here in my book.

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 2:20:40 PM   
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GreyJoy-

Why does the KB scare you to death at this point in the game?

I realize you don't possess the CV force to stand toe to toe with it.. but it can't be like he is sailing around with a full assortment of 99 exp pilots...

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 2:26:56 PM   
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GreyJoy-

Why does the KB scare you to death at this point in the game?

I realize you don't possess the CV force to stand toe to toe with it.. but it can't be like he is sailing around with a full assortment of 99 exp pilots...


Indeed HoneyBadger .

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RE: 1st oct 1944 Shidens ONLINE! - 1/27/2012 2:35:00 PM   
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GreyJoy-

Why does the KB scare you to death at this point in the game?

I realize you don't possess the CV force to stand toe to toe with it.. but it can't be like he is sailing around with a full assortment of 99 exp pilots...


Umm, it wouldn't about 2 weeks ago! Now it SHOULD be a concern. Most of the pilots Rader has been losing gobs of are not from the KB. He really hasn't been using it according to GJ's reports since the Solomons. I have a feeling it would be best to steer clear unless absolutely cornered.

Now, the Allied CVs crews would most likely have an advantage with the Radar, Hellcats and Corsairs, but GJ can't really afford to lose many CVs now. A fairly even tactical CV battle would be a strategic loss for him, strangely, at this point in my opinion.

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