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NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 9:48:37 PM   
GreyJoy


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Ok, first the "quiet" turn...Feb 9, 10 1944

We approached Panggoe with a huge transport convoy, covered by a BB/CA TF and by a CL TFs, plus several DDs... PTs and subs all around and a huge CAP...

Rader didn't notice...but his KB, at 8 hexes of distance, sent a "light" attack of Judies escorted by zeros...

By the end of the 2 days-turn we shot down 80 enemy a/c, losing none of our fighters...

The only bad news of the day is that CA Australia got torpedoed at night by his Mavis.....she will make it...but will have to stay in port for a LONG time...30/40/32 damage...

Problem is that our xAKs didn't unload everything (didn't want to risk my APAs in a place so exposed...)...so we needed another turn...




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Morning Air attack on TF, near Panggoe at 111,133

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 99 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M5 Zero x 10
     D4Y3 Judy x 39



Allied aircraft
     Spitfire VIII x 9
     Kittyhawk III x 8
     Spitfire Vc Trop x 25
     Spitfire VIII x 5
     P-38H Lightning x 24
     P-38J Lightning x 7
     P-39N1 Airacobra x 14
     P-40N5 Warhawk x 27
     P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 31
     P-51A Mustang x 15
     F4U-1 Corsair x 7
     F4U-1A Corsair x 18
     F6F-3 Hellcat x 82


Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed
     D4Y3 Judy: 21 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
     xAK Fusto Arosemena
     xAK Edgar Allan Poe
     xAK Santa Monica



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< Message edited by GreyJoy -- 11/15/2011 9:49:53 PM >

(in reply to CT Grognard)
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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 9:55:07 PM   
GreyJoy


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...and then....on the following turn...

Feb 11, 12 1944

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 11, 44
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 8,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft losses
     OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
     BB Kongo
     BB Haruna
     BB Kirishima
     BB Nagato
     BB Mutsu, Shell hits 14,  on fire
     BB Yamato, Shell hits 4
     CA Chokai
     CA Ashigara, Shell hits 4
     CA Aoba, Shell hits 7,  on fire
     DD Shimakaze
     DD Shiratsuyu
     DD Samidare
     DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1
     DD Yugure, Shell hits 1
     DD Arikaze, Shell hits 2
     DD Tagokaze, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     DD Takatakaze
     DD Myojinkaze

Allied Ships
     BB North Carolina, Shell hits 18,  heavy fires
     BB Washington, Shell hits 8,  on fire
     CA Portland, Shell hits 1
     CA Louisville
     CA Baltimore, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
     DD Bush, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     DD Claxton
     DD Fullam
     DD Guest, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     DD Hutchins, Shell hits 11,  on fire
     DD LaVallette, Shell hits 3,  on fire
     DD McKee
     DD Nicholas



Reduced visibility due to Rain  with 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 92% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 8,000 yards
BB Washington fires at BB Yamato at 8,000 yards
BB North Carolina fires at BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards
CA Baltimore fires at BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards
BB Washington fires at BB Kirishima at 8,000 yards
CA Portland fires at BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards
DD Nicholas launches Torpedoes at BB Yamato at 8,000 yards
CA Baltimore fires at CA Aoba at 8,000 yards
DD LaVallette launches Torpedoes at CA Ashigara at 8,000 yards
DD Hutchins launches Torpedoes at BB Kirishima at 8,000 yards
DD Guest launches Torpedoes at BB Kirishima at 8,000 yards
DD Nicholas fires at DD Takatakaze at 8,000 yards
DD Hutchins fires at DD Tagokaze at 8,000 yards
DD Bush launches Torpedoes at DD Takatakaze at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages BB Washington at 2,000 yards
BB Washington engages BB Mutsu at 2,000 yards
BB Nagato engages BB Washington at 2,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CA Louisville at 2,000 yards
CA Portland engages CA Ashigara at 2,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages BB Kongo at 2,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Baltimore at 2,000 yards
DD LaVallette engages DD Tagokaze at 2,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Hutchins at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages DD Bush at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD Hutchins at 2,000 yards
DD Tagokaze engages DD LaVallette at 2,000 yards
DD Hutchins engages DD Arikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Bush at 2,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD Guest at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages BB Yamato at 3,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB North Carolina at 3,000 yards
CA Baltimore sunk by CA Chokai at 3,000 yards
CA Ashigara engages CA Louisville at 3,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages BB Haruna at 3,000 yards
DD Tagokaze engages DD Nicholas at 3,000 yards
CA Portland engages CA Aoba at 3,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD LaVallette at 3,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD Guest at 3,000 yards
DD Tagokaze sunk by DD Claxton at 3,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Guest at 3,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD LaVallette at 3,000 yards
DD Bush sunk by DD Shiratsuyu at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
BB Yamato engages BB Washington at 9,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB North Carolina at 9,000 yards
BB Yamato engages CA Louisville at 9,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CA Portland at 9,000 yards
DD Nicholas engages DD Shiratsuyu at 9,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD McKee at 9,000 yards
CA Aoba engages DD LaVallette at 9,000 yards
CA Ashigara engages CA Portland at 9,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD Guest at 9,000 yards
DD Fullam engages DD Arikaze at 9,000 yards
DD Nicholas engages DD Takatakaze at 9,000 yards
DD Guest sunk by DD Arikaze at 9,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Hutchins at 9,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD LaVallette at 9,000 yards
DD Shimakaze engages DD McKee at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
BB Yamato engages BB Washington at 14,000 yards
BB Yamato engages BB North Carolina at 14,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages BB Nagato at 14,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages BB Kirishima at 14,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Nicholas at 14,000 yards
BB Kongo engages BB North Carolina at 14,000 yards
Massive explosion on DD LaVallette
CA Aoba engages DD LaVallette at 14,000 yards
DD Hutchins engages DD Takatakaze at 14,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Fullam at 14,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Claxton at 14,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD LaVallette at 14,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD LaVallette at 14,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     BB Kongo
     BB Haruna
     BB Kirishima
     BB Nagato
     BB Mutsu,  on fire
     BB Yamato
     CA Chokai
     CA Ashigara
     CA Aoba,  on fire
     DD Shimakaze
     DD Shiratsuyu
     DD Samidare
     DD Suzukaze
     DD Yugure
     DD Arikaze
     DD Takatakaze
     DD Myojinkaze

Allied Ships
     CL Boise
     CL Columbia
     CL Denver
     CL Mobile
     DD Braine
     DD Dashiell
     DD Halford
     DD Pringle
     DD Spence
     DD Stanly
     DD Terry



Poor visibility due to Rain  with 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 92% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 25,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 13,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Range increases to 23,000 yards...
Range increases to 28,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Allied Surface Combat TF evades combat
 

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 7,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft losses
     SOC-1 Seagull: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
     BB Kongo
     BB Haruna, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     BB Kirishima
     BB Nagato, Shell hits 1
     BB Mutsu,  on fire
     BB Yamato, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
     CA Chokai
     CA Ashigara, Shell hits 1
     CA Aoba,  heavy fires
     DD Shimakaze
     DD Shiratsuyu
     DD Samidare
     DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 6,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Yugure
     DD Arikaze
     DD Takatakaze
     DD Myojinkaze

Allied Ships
     CA Quincy, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
      DD Fletcher
     DD Abbot, Shell hits 1
     DD Aulick, Shell hits 2
     DD Bache
     DD Beale
     DD Thatcher, Shell hits 10,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DD Walke



Reduced visibility due to Rain  with 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 92% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 7,000 yards
Tanaka, Raizo crosses the 'T'
BB Yamato engages CA Quincy at 7,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CA Quincy at 7,000 yards
BB Nagato engages CA Quincy at 7,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Beale at 7,000 yards
BB Haruna engages CA Quincy at 7,000 yards
BB Yamato engages DD Aulick at 7,000 yards
CA Quincy engages CA Aoba at 7,000 yards
CA Ashigara engages CA Quincy at 7,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages DD Aulick at 7,000 yards
DD Aulick engages DD Yugure at 7,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD Beale at 7,000 yards
DD Beale engages DD Samidare at 7,000 yards
DD Aulick engages DD Shimakaze at 7,000 yards
Lane N. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 4,000 yards
BB Yamato engages CA Quincy at 4,000 yards
BB Nagato engages CA Quincy at 4,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CA Quincy at 4,000 yards
BB Haruna engages CA Quincy at 4,000 yards
DD Aulick engages BB Kongo at 4,000 yards
DD Abbot engages DD Suzukaze at 4,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD Fletcher at 4,000 yards
CA Quincy engages CA Chokai at 4,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD Beale at 4,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD Fletcher at 4,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Aulick at 4,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD Abbot at 4,000 yards
DD Shimakaze engages DD Beale at 4,000 yards
BB Yamato engages CA Quincy at 4,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Arikaze at 4,000 yards
DD Thatcher engages DD Myojinkaze at 4,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Beale at 4,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Bache at 4,000 yards
BB Kongo engages CA Quincy at 4,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD Abbot at 4,000 yards
CA Quincy engages CA Ashigara at 4,000 yards
CA Quincy sunk by CA Chokai at 4,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD Fletcher at 4,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Thatcher at 4,000 yards
DD Abbot engages DD Suzukaze at 4,000 yards
DD Shimakaze engages DD Abbot at 4,000 yards
BB Yamato engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD Thatcher at 4,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Thatcher at 4,000 yards
DD Bache engages DD Suzukaze at 4,000 yards
DD Aulick engages DD Suzukaze at 4,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Abbot at 4,000 yards
DD Fletcher engages DD Shimakaze at 4,000 yards
CA Ashigara engages DD Thatcher at 4,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD Beale at 4,000 yards
DD Thatcher engages DD Yugure at 4,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Thatcher at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB Yamato engages DD Thatcher at 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages DD Thatcher at 10,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Beale at 10,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Thatcher at 10,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Thatcher at 10,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD Abbot at 10,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages DD Fletcher at 10,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Thatcher at 10,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Myojinkaze at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     BB Kongo
     BB Haruna,  heavy fires
     BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
     BB Nagato, Shell hits 1
     CA Ashigara
     DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 1
     DD Samidare
     DD Arikaze

Allied Ships
     DD Converse, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
     DD Cushing
     DD Perkins



Low visibility due to Rain  with 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 92% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Perkins at 8,000 yards
DD Cushing engages BB Nagato at 8,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Converse at 8,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Perkins at 8,000 yards
DD Perkins engages DD Shimakaze at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
DD Cushing engages DD Shimakaze at 7,000 yards
BB Kongo engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
CA Ashigara engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
DD Cushing engages DD Samidare at 7,000 yards
BB Haruna collides with CA Ashigara at 111 , 133
BB Nagato engages DD Perkins at 7,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
DD Converse engages DD Shiratsuyu at 7,000 yards
DD Arikaze engages DD Cushing at 7,000 yards
DD Shimakaze engages DD Perkins at 7,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
DD Cushing engages DD Samidare at 7,000 yards
BB Haruna engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Converse at 7,000 yards
DD Converse engages DD Shimakaze at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Perkins engages DD Samidare at 9,000 yards
DD Converse sunk by BB Kirishima at 9,000 yards
DD Cushing engages DD Shiratsuyu at 9,000 yards
Munson, H.G. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 12,000 yards
BB Nagato engages DD Perkins at 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Cushing at 12,000 yards
DD Cushing engages DD Arikaze at 12,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Cushing at 12,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     BB Mutsu, Shell hits 3,  on fire
     BB Yamato, Shell hits 3,  on fire
     CA Chokai, Shell hits 1
     CA Aoba,  on fire
     DD Suzukaze,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Yugure
     DD Takatakaze
     DD Myojinkaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
     DD Chevalier, Shell hits 1
     DD DeHaven, Shell hits 12,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Foote, Shell hits 1
     DD Case, Shell hits 1,  on fire



Reduced visibility due to Rain  with 85% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 85% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD Case at 8,000 yards
DD Foote engages BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards
BB Yamato engages DD DeHaven at 8,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Foote at 8,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages DD Foote at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
DD Case engages DD Takatakaze at 7,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages DD Foote at 7,000 yards
DD Chevalier engages DD Takatakaze at 7,000 yards
DD DeHaven engages DD Myojinkaze at 7,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD DeHaven at 7,000 yards
DD Case engages DD Yugure at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
BB Yamato engages DD Foote at 5,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages DD Foote at 5,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Chevalier at 5,000 yards
DD DeHaven engages DD Myojinkaze at 5,000 yards
DD Case engages DD Takatakaze at 5,000 yards
Moore, J.A. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Yamato engages DD Case at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Foote at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD DeHaven at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages DD Chevalier at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages DD Case at 7,000 yards
DD Foote engages DD Takatakaze at 7,000 yards
CA Aoba engages DD Foote at 7,000 yards
CA Aoba engages DD Foote at 7,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed

Japanese Ships
     BB Mutsu,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
      CA Chokai
     CA Aoba,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Suzukaze,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Yugure
     DD Takatakaze
     DD Myojinkaze

Allied Ships
     PT-138
     PT-161
     PT-325, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
     PT-345
     PT-364, Shell hits 7,  heavy fires,  heavy damage



Reduced visibility due to Rain  with 85% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 85% moonlight: 4,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-325 at 5,000 yards
PT-161 engages BB Yamato at 5,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages PT-161 at 5,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages PT-325 at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-161 at 6,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages PT-161 at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages PT-364 at 4,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages PT-138 at 4,000 yards
CA Aoba engages PT-161 at 4,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-161 at 4,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages PT-138 at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
CA Aoba engages PT-138 at 2,000 yards
CA Chokai engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
CA Aoba engages PT-138 at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-138 at 2,000 yards
CA Chokai engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
PT-325 sunk by DD Takatakaze at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinkaze engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages PT-345 at 2,000 yards
BB Yamato engages PT-345 at 2,000 yards
DD Takatakaze engages PT-364 at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages PT-138 at 2,000 yards
Wiggins, G.T. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 3,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages PT-161 at 8,000 yards
CA Aoba engages PT-138 at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     BB Kongo
     BB Kirishima
     BB Nagato
     CA Ashigara
     DD Shiratsuyu
     DD Samidare

Allied Ships
     xAK Alaskan
     xAK Mormacstar
     xAK Admiral Wiley
     xAK West Portal
     xAK Red Jacket
     xAK Wind Rush
     xAK Cape Meredith, Shell hits 8,  on fire,  heavy damage
     xAK Bald Eagle
     xAK Adabelle Lykes
     xAK Colbert
     xAK Dashing Wave
     xAK Santa Monica, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     xAK Titan, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
     xAK Fusto Arosemena
     xAK General Fleisher
     xAK Masaya
     xAK Portmar, Shell hits 1
     xAK Sea Bass, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
     xAK Exhibitor, Shell hits 2,  on fire
     xAK William S. Colley
     xAK Amos Kendall
     xAK Andrew D. White
     xAK Andrew Furuseth
     xAK Arthur Riggs, Shell hits 2
     xAK Benjamin Ide Wheeler, Shell hits 8,  heavy fires
     xAK Benjamin Lundy
     xAK Chief Washakie, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     xAK Cleveland Abbe
     xAK Daniel S. Lamont
     xAK David Gaillard
     xAK David J. Brewer
     xAK Edgar Allan Poe
     xAK Edmund Fanning
     xAK Edmund Randolph
     xAK Edward Livingston, Shell hits 3,  on fire
     xAK Edwin M. Stanton
     xAK Edwin Markham
     xAK George D. Prentice, Shell hits 1
     xAK George H. Williams
     xAK George Read, Shell hits 3
     xAK George Ross
     xAK George Westinghouse
     xAK Gideon Welles, Shell hits 12,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     xAK Henry Dearborn, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
     xAK Henry J. Raymond, Shell hits 19,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     xAK Henry Villard, Shell hits 35, and is sunk
     xAK Jacques Laramie, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
     xAK James B. McPherson, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
     xAK James Buchanan, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
     xAK James Gordon Bennett, Shell hits 3, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
     Guns lost 105 (102 destroyed, 3 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 183 (144 destroyed, 39 disabled)
 
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
     BB Mutsu,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     CA Chokai
     CA Aoba, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
      DD Suzukaze, and is sunk
     DD Yugure
     DD Takatakaze
     DD Myojinkaze

Allied Ships
     PT-130, Shell hits 2,  on fire
     PT-131
     PT-133, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     PT-134, Shell hits 1
     PT-136

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 111,133, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     CA Chokai, Shell hits 2
     DD Yugure, Shell hits 18,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Takatakaze, Shell hits 2,  on fire
     DD Myojinkaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
     DD Fletcher, Shell hits 2,  on fire
     DD Abbot
     DD Aulick
     DD Bache, Shell hits 1
     DD Beale, Shell hits 1

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Choiseul Bay at 111,132, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
     BB Haruna, Shell hits 37, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
     DD Arikaze, Shell hits 6,  heavy fires,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     CL Boise, Shell hits 1
     CL Columbia
     CL Denver
     CL Mobile
     DD Braine
     DD Dashiell
     DD Halford
     DD Pringle
     DD Spence
     DD Stanly
     DD Terry, Shell hits 1,  on fire

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Choiseul Bay at 111,132, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 34, and is sunk

Allied Ships
     CL Boise
     CL Columbia
     CL Denver
     CL Mobile
     DD Braine
     DD Dashiell
     DD Halford
     DD Pringle
     DD Spence
     DD Stanly
     DD Terry,  on fire


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Submarine attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-170

Allied Ships
     xAK William S. Colley, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage



xAK William S. Colley is sighted by SS I-170
SS I-170 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK William S. Colley


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Submarine attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-6

Allied Ships
     xAK Mormacstar, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy damage



xAK Mormacstar is sighted by SS I-6
SS I-6 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Mormacstar


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Submarine attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-18

Allied Ships
     xAK David J. Brewer, Torpedo hits 1



xAK David J. Brewer is sighted by SS I-18
SS I-18 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK David J. Brewer


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Submarine attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-7

Allied Ships
     xAK Andrew D. White, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire



xAK Andrew D. White is sighted by SS I-7
SS I-7 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Andrew D. White



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Submarine attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-156

Allied Ships
     xAK Chief Washakie, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
     Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)


xAK Chief Washakie is sighted by SS I-156
SS I-156 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Chief Washakie


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Sub attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-172, hits 14,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     DD Dashiell
     CL Mobile
     CL Columbia
     CL Boise
     DD Pringle
     DD Halford
     DD Braine
     DD Terry,  on fire
     DD Stanly
     DD Spence



SS I-172 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Dashiell
DD Terry fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Stanly attacking submerged sub ....
DD Spence attacking submerged sub ....
Sounds of submarine breaking up detected!
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-155

Allied Ships
     CL Mobile
     CL Columbia
     CL Boise
     DD Pringle
     DD Halford
     DD Dashiell
     DD Braine
     DD Terry,  on fire
     DD Stanly
     DD Spence



SS I-155 is sighted by escort
DD Terry fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Stanly fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Spence fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Stanly attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-155 eludes DD Stanly by diving deep
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-154

Allied Ships
     CL Mobile
     CL Denver
     CL Columbia
     CL Boise
     DD Pringle
     DD Dashiell
     DD Braine
     DD Terry,  on fire
     DD Stanly
     DD Spence



SS I-154 is sighted by escort
DD Terry fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Stanly fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Spence fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Spence attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub


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Submarine attack near Rekata Bay  at 112,134

Japanese Ships
     SS I-170

Allied Ships
     xAK Cape Meredith, Torpedo hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage



xAK Cape Meredith is sighted by SS I-170
SS I-170 launches 2 torpedoes

 




So we have in the bag (FOW permitted)...2 Jap BBs (YAMATO!!!) and 1 Jap CAs (with another one damaged) and at least 5 DDs... for the loss of 2 CAs (one modern), several DDs and several xAKs.... with 2 fast BBs badly damaged...

Not bad i'd say...what d'u think?




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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:01:11 PM   
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What are your thoughts about the battle, it seems like an great Allied victory to me, but I wonder about the status of North Carolina ? If your BB are out for a year that's almost the same as sunk at this stage of the war.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:03:21 PM   
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Don't have the turn yet...so i don't know what i've lost in my transports...probably a tank BN and some artillery...pity...but i know i was risking...

Anyway...my BBs got the surprise and the upper hand on the first engagement...but they never fired the big shells...while the japs immediately after the surprise started to fire their 360mm guns...and they always hit!!!!

Thank God we had the PTs...

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:06:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Smeulders

What are your thoughts about the battle, it seems like an great Allied victory to me, but I wonder about the status of North Carolina ? If your BB are out for a year that's almost the same as sunk at this stage of the war.


My ships performed badly once again...Lee Chin was in charge of the BB TF and they achieved nothing...however 2 Jap BBs and 1 CAs is a good trade imho for 2 CAs and 6/7 DDs... but still...i hoped in something more...at least something more from my BBs...

However i don't know the status of my BBs...waiting for the turn right now... The NC should be in a really bad shape imho...probably more than 6 months...but hey...it's part of the game...she has been really unlucky in this war having eaten already 2 torps...


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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:14:55 PM   
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Are you sure your BB's had resupplied with ammunition - the fact that you had surprise and they failed to fire their main armament points to a low ammo situation.

If the Jap BB's are gone, then it is a victory to you, there are no replacements.

Good to see the PT's can work against capital ships when the situation is right.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:19:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bbbf

Are you sure your BB's had resupplied with ammunition - the fact that you had surprise and they failed to fire their main armament points to a low ammo situation.

If the Jap BB's are gone, then it is a victory to you, there are no replacements.

Good to see the PT's can work against capital ships when the situation is right.


Absolutely sure. I checked them all the previous turn...cause i knew this battle was coming...and we were well prepped for it... Not only they didn't fire their main armament...they didn't score a single hit!!!!....not even with the 40mm bofors...

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:20:12 PM   
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BB Haruna is reported to have been sunk near Choiseul Bay on Feb 11, 1944
BB Yamato is reported to have been sunk near Panggoe on Feb 11, 1944
CA Aoba is reported to have been sunk near Panggoe on Feb 11, 1944
DD Shimakaze is reported to have been sunk near Choiseul Bay on Feb 11, 1944
DD Suzukaze is reported to have been sunk near Panggoe on Feb 11, 1944
SS I-172 is reported to have been sunk near Rekata Bay on Feb 11, 1944
Loss of CA Quincy on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of CA Baltimore on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of DD Bush on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of DD Converse on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of DD Guest on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of DD Thatcher on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-21 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-168 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-185 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-305 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-307 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-309 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-310 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-315 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-317 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-320 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-323 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-325 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-326 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-344 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-353 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PT-376 on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Cape Meredith on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Titan on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Sea Bass on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK William S. Colley on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Chief Washakie on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Henry Dearborn on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Henry Villard on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Jacques Laramie on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK James B. McPherson on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK James Buchanan on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK James Gordon Bennett on Feb 11, 1944 is admitted

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:31:59 PM   
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It is an extraordinary battle in which the Yamato is sunk by three torpedos. I'd have expected better. Must have been additional damage from large sghells or a magazine explosion as three torpedos just would not do the job on that vessel.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 10:56:05 PM   
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Decisive Allied victory on the strategic level.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 11:03:06 PM   
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It is an extraordinary battle in which the Yamato is sunk by three torpedos. I'd have expected better. Must have been additional damage from large sghells or a magazine explosion as three torpedos just would not do the job on that vessel.


Mag explosion no doubt. I lost a Kongo class BB in my last game to a single PT torp that set the magazine off

Incidently, what are the odds of a mag explosion in the game?

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 11:10:50 PM   
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Miller, you say you lost a Kongo to a PT boat torp?  Wow, who was the mastermind that worked that kind of magic against you?


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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 11:47:07 PM   
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ok i watched the whole reply again...

Yamato apparently was critically slowed down with the first torpedo eaten...and, before that, the hits suffered during the battle with my BBs, have set many fires that made her shine in the darkness... the last two torpedoes, one following the previous one in no time, produced an internal explosion and a mag explosion...



BB Mutsu seems in a very bad shape too...during the last fight of her, i saw the message that it was ordered to flood some compartments.... not a good sign

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/15/2011 11:49:02 PM   
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Think the Mutsu got a collision with Yamato when the latter tried to avoid those very same torpedoes that would have proved to be fatal to her...

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 12:16:14 AM   
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Really well done and hats off to the PT's. I am really surprised at the poor performance of your BB task force. I suspect this was just a truly bad roll. You did every thing right. Lee in charge, modern BB's in a fully modern task force. Radar contact, surprise......it goes on and on. Those PT skippers should never, ever, have to pay for a drink when the BB swabbies are in port. I bet the press reported it as a big BB victory.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 1:17:20 AM   
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Well done! Yamato sunk by a PT... a new reef in the Solomons island chain...it's probably so big that you can build it up to a proper base...

Regarding Rader's withdrawal from India:
Has anyone thought that perhaps he can no longer provide the massive Indian industry with fuel? I haven't actually calculated how much fuel it needs, but he surely had to transfer fuel from Burma and the DEI, since the only refinery in India is in Ledo. His fuel reserves in the Home Islands must be significantly lower than usual, so maybe he thought it was time to start stockpiling fuel in the HI for the end game. And since he cannot logistically support the Indian industry any more, the IJA has no reason (in his mind) to stay there. Could that be a possible explanation?

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 1:39:27 AM   
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Ok guys...turn has arrived.

BB Washington has only 22 Sys and 8 flt... While NC has 30 sys and 40 flt...she will need some months to get back on track...probably 6 months i'd say...

But the good news is that the intel reports says we destroyed 19 jakes on ground...and since there were no bombing missions...i have to "hope" that those are planes sunk with the ships... so 7 for Yamato, 3 for Haruna, 2 for Aoba...what else?

We have several DDs that will need a trip to the shipyard, along with CA Australia and the two BBs...but, overall, i can say that it was a victory. A clear one.






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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 2:11:29 AM   
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Indeed, Reek, perhaps your finest hour to date in the great battles with the LYBs. Congratulations are in order. You may take the dog collar off and sleep in a straw bed tonight. But, on the morrow, we expect even great things!

Onward. Go forth!

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 2:12:12 AM   
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There should be a HR about PT Boats......

Well done, I was originally thinking you had hung around here a bit long but its turned out OKish.

In India, I think Rader is cutting his losses, by the time you get to Imphal/Coxs Bazaar you will be too late to get a campaign running which will hurt him in Burma unless you try to cut him off at Moulmein. I bet he has a strong force holding the place.  IMHO he could have trickled out 33-50% of his troops and still had you back at Multan.  Make sure he cant easily use these troops elsewhere, threaten some landings so that he has to use up a few units protecting his flank.

I'm putting in an early claim for the situation at the end of 1944, you will have Rabaul and Nth New Guinea and be fighting on the India/Burma border .

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 2:16:35 AM   
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Ugh! JFBs lament at the news that the mighty Yamato has succumbed. But Newbs rejoyce, AFBs and JFBs alike, at GJ's great victory!

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 2:40:23 AM   
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quote:

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Well done! Yamato sunk by a PT... a new reef in the Solomons island chain...it's probably so big that you can build it up to a proper base...

Regarding Rader's withdrawal from India:
Has anyone thought that perhaps he can no longer provide the massive Indian industry with fuel? I haven't actually calculated how much fuel it needs, but he surely had to transfer fuel from Burma and the DEI, since the only refinery in India is in Ledo. His fuel reserves in the Home Islands must be significantly lower than usual, so maybe he thought it was time to start stockpiling fuel in the HI for the end game. And since he cannot logistically support the Indian industry any more, the IJA has no reason (in his mind) to stay there. Could that be a possible explanation?


Heavy Industry points are stockpiled also. There is no benefit in rationing fuel earmarked as HI feedstock for later consumption.

Even if your concern were valid, it would be a mistake for the reasons I listed in post #3416. Rader is a tactician, not a strategist. The withdrawal is a tactical "solution" to his perceived long term problem. However it doesn't really address his concerns. It is a mistake because it is not consistent with his declared strategy. In fact it endangers his strategy.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 3:31:35 AM   
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Congrats on the battle. PT boats can do wonders.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 6:10:47 AM   
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Heavy fires and Heavy damage? I suspect some of those destroyed jakes came from Mutsu

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RE: India evacuated!! - 11/16/2011 7:03:10 AM   
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There are a number of factors that result in lack of coordination of sweeps in what I believe are the order of impact of those factors:

1) Plane types (specifically differences in cruising speed) – same plane type coordinates better; the closer the aircraft types are in cruising speed the greater the chance of coordinated strikes;
2) Altitude – if you send planes in at different altitudes they will tend to go in uncoordinated, all at the same height and you have more odds of a coordinated large strike;
3) Weather – the worse the weather (i.e. rain, thunderstorms) the greater the chances for the strikes to be uncoordinated;
4) Range to target – the further away from the target hex the various squadrons are, the greater the odds of it being uncoordinated;
5) Origin – if all the planes are launching from the same base, greater chance of coordination;
6) Air HQ being present at the origin base;
7) Other factors like squadron leader statistics, squadron morale.

It appears you ordered Kittyhawks from Munda, and P-47s, P-38s and F6Fs from Rekata Bay.

It looks like you had three squadrons P-47s, three squadrons P-38s and two squadrons F6Fs (at least) at Rekata Bay – what airfield level is it? Do you have any other squadrons there (e.g. dive-bombers, patrol planes)? It could well be that your airfield was overstacked – resulting in sweeps also not going in coordinated.

The F6F’s cruising speed is quite a bit slower than the P-47D and the P-38Hs (200mph as opposed to around 250mph). This could have been a factor too.

I think in this case the following happened that counted against you:

1) Different plane types
2) Poor weather
3) Very poor die roll


Thanks CT Grognard! I've studied the "Coordination Guide" posted on the war room section...
I gotta say that i've always tried to keep those rules in mind when i try to sweep...in fact usually i never use Hellcats for this role (this was supposed to be a safe mission)...the Kittihawks were on LRCAP, while all the P-38s were set at 31k and the P-47s at 36k... Rekata wasn't overstacked, having space for 300 aircraft and 15 groups... and normally i never overstack my AFs, trying to always keep an eye on the AF limitations..

Anyway, not a big deal...lesson learnt and we'll move forward... i have to force him to come to me...that's the strategy



Guys, just to clearify (this also stated in the coordination guide):

Sweeps do not coordinate.
(I think I should bold that over there...)

This means, the reason why they arrive over target at the same time is more limited than a bombing run:
- often the IJN/IJA "looks" more coordinated because they got larger unit size, so chances are more planes arrive on target at the same time.
- the shorter the range, the higher the chance that some sweeps are over target at the same time
- cruise speed and alt might have an impact, but do not confuse this with strike coordination, there are no coordination dice rolls involved.

What is often missed though is, that usually whether sweeps arrive in a single combat replay or not does not change the outcome by much,
except that the squads arriving on target first get more of a blody nose while when all arrive over target at the same time the losses are more
equally distributed.
Its a numbers game on both occasions, and referring to the source of the discussion: rader had more airframes in the area. Being outnumbered 3:1 or worse is always a bad start.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 7:06:54 AM   
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...erm...and, wow, how long did the replay take?

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 9:10:13 AM   
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quote:

My ships performed badly once again...Lee Chin was in charge of the BB TF and they achieved nothing...however 2 Jap BBs and 1 CAs is a good trade imho for 2 CAs and 6/7 DDs... but still...i hoped in something more...at least something more from my BBs...

However i don't know the status of my BBs...waiting for the turn right now... The NC should be in a really bad shape imho...probably more than 6 months...but hey...it's part of the game...she has been really unlucky in this war having eaten already 2 torps...


I'd say your BB TF is the reason this was a victory, simply because they probably forced the IJN ships to use up a good portion of their ammo, which made them vulnerable to all of the other small ship groups that came in later. They probably also, as you said, lit up some of the IJN ships with the hits they got, so helping in the dark rainy conditions to point them out.

This is a battle that shows a lot about what not to do in naval battles, I think. That big unwieldy TF of Rader's was vulnerable against your many small ship TFs in the confined spaces between the islands.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 9:19:37 AM   
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18 ship TF, 9 capital ships, 1 depth charge per ship, 1 DD escort per BB/CA while GreyJoy had pretty much the optimal formation with 13 ships and 5 capitals(I might have used 1 BB or CA less)... And Rader didnt have any smaller supporting TFs(again unlike GreyJoy), but just 1 big one.

But Yamato going down to 3 hits... Lol...

About the E13As: remember that like CVs, the cruisers and BBs can also have floatplanes "in reserve" where a reserve plane is 1/4 of active plane. So to not exceed the 110% limit they can have floatplanes capacity + 3, which means Yamato can hold 10(7+3 reserve). Looks like you got 3 capital ships.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 11:29:54 AM   
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Yamato wasn't built nearly as well as people would think - there were a lot of problems with the design, including those of her engines & she took unexpectedly serious damage from a single torpedo hit in 1944 (resulting in flooding in th bows) - not nearly enough structural flexibility to deal with the concussive forces of even near misses - causing structural beams to shear through their bulkheads during her final death ride.

Of course, I'd trade PT Boats every day of the week for 2 or 3 BBs - that was an awesome outcome & should really put a crimp in Rader's plans for a while. Those BBs aren't expendable assets.

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RE: NAVAL SLAUGHTER - 11/16/2011 12:40:53 PM   
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Hi gents,

  turns are flowing and there's no time to stop and glorify...Rader is far from being beaten and we're far far away from RL positions...

Feb 13, 14 1944

While BBs Washington and NC are limbing back to a safe port in order to get their wounds cured before sending them back to a decent Shipyard (providing good DD escort...don't wanna get them finished by a stupid Sub!), while our navy is reorganizing at Tulagi and Ndeni, our II US Corp at Panggoe is counting the scars of the last naval battle.
A Tank BN is lost, while the 24th US Division lost a good percentage of its support and heavy equipment... We need to slow down the march to Chiuseul (22,000 men spotted there) cause we need to reinforce our II Corp with another tank unit and another Infantry Division - that are already loading at Ndeni.

The KB isn't in sight...where the **** is it?!?!?!

In NG we reached our positions, but Rader has stopped me everywhere...need to re-locate our main units for the Northern Oz operation. 27th US Division is moving back to PM and from there it will be transfered to Mereuake.

My Paras are in position for the next assault.

2 brand new BBs (New Jersey and Iowa) are moving from PH to the southern seas, along with CV Intrepid and 3 CVLs...

...so it's official, we have traded 2 CAs (one old and one modern) and 4 DDs for 2 BBs (possibly 3?), 1 CA and 5 DDs...not a bade trade

The 500,000 supplies just reached Perth from CT, along with more base forces...in one month we'll be ready to move towards Darwin!

In India we're advancing and dealing with all the BNs Rader left on his back to slow down my advance...we already occupied Cawpore and are close to Jodpur... Ralpawindi is secured and so everything up to Dehli, where the Eastern Army has safely strat moved.







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