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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 7:41:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think, but have to double check, that you still need armaments points to get the men and rifles re-united, so I would still be using the techniques to decrease demand for artillery and increasing demand for squads.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 8:34:08 AM   
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Until I see hard evidence to the contrary, I have to believe Speedy's defences crumbled because he had 100k in fortified zones digging behind the lines, instead of 100k in the front lines fighting.

I stick with my suggestion to only build fortified zones if front line rifle squad strength is well above 16k.


I did a test and built 100 fortified positions from end nov '41 and ran through the blizzard turns in a game where no action was taken. I then compared the numbers to a similar run without forts.

The result was, with the forts, an increase in casualties in the range of 70k men. So the fortifications not only drained 180k ish manpower from the pool, with the forts low moral/exp they also substantially increased casualties.
On average 700 men in casualties per fortification, which is about 40% of the manpower (!).

And apparantly for little good, in the end only a few managed to build lvl 1 forts, and that was about it. I suspect a lot of them went unready.
Note that I left the forts under OKH control, so they probably would have dug in better if attached to a closer hq with constructions battalions.

Based on this my recommendation is to entirely skip building new fortification in blizzard, and I would consider disbanding existing ones to avoid the added casualties. With the exemption of the ones which can gain benefit from towns, urban & city hexes.
If the developers decide to add some protection from blizzard attrition to forts that would of course radically change that recommendation.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 5:19:13 PM   
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I think, but have to double check, that you still need armaments points to get the men and rifles re-united, so I would still be using the techniques to decrease demand for artillery and increasing demand for squads.


It doesn't seem to be the case, as I still have over 160k armaments points in the pool. I think it's just a limitation of the speed of bringing repaired squads forward. Each turn, many of the squads damaged by the blizzard get sent back for 'repair' (this is where all the manpower and pooled ground elements come from- after the first turn in January I am up to 800k manpower in the pool). However, it seems I can only bring about 200k to the front each turn, depending on how far the infantry are from the railheads I suppose.

I guess the bright side is that, while they are in the pool, at least those men aren't getting further blasted by the blizzard and so they aren't going onto the disabled list.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 5:38:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The limiting factor must be the "demand" that being in refit mode creates. Pavel knows how all this stuff works, so I will check with him. I think the maximum I every saw return in one turn, with everything on refit was about 250k.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 6:17:31 PM   
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"V1.03 does not give any benefit or protection to units in entrenchments, so at the moment "dig in in September" strategies are not likely to meet with any real degree of success. "

If this is so, then why would why one, "Position your HQs and construction battalions to make maximum use of 15.3.2.2:" to construct forts?


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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 6:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forts help you in defense, but they do not do anything to save you from the massive attrition losses you suffer or the huge auto slash of CV values that occur.



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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 7:09:29 PM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 7:11:48 PM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 7:18:30 PM   
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If this is so, then why would why one, "Position your HQs and construction battalions to make maximum use of 15.3.2.2:" to construct forts?


Sorry, I should have been clearer - I should have said "to maximise entrenchment levels" I will edit the post accordingly.

edit: The post contains a paste from the manual that refers to Fort levels, not Fortified Zones which are the units you build.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/6/2011 7:26:57 PM   
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Could it be worth the manpower to build FZs on the E-W supply rail lines to guard agains partisans and para drops? North of the "No axis allies"-line, at least.


I have and do use fort zones as garrison boosters in major towns and cities, but never as rail road guards.

The paradrop threat is trivial, and a waste of Soviet resources in my opinion - Guard Para Corps can do far more damage in the long term compared to dropping and vanishing after a couple of turns.

I have seen threads complaining about partisan activities, but I find that if my garrisons are all "blue", then the 2 ss motorised and the ss cavalry are enough to manage the partisans.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/7/2011 3:31:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the detailed numbers on the German Rifle Squads, how to find them, and steps to maximize. May seem tedious but an army runs on logistics.

I have made notes and will apply accordingly.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/8/2011 5:10:35 AM   
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The Slovaks are borderline, but the Hungarians and Rumanians morale needs to be in the 70s to give them any chance of surviving an attack, and we have seen some players train them up to this level.

It will NOT happen anymore, for games started with v 1.03 Beta 3, and beyond, due to the morale changes. Those are things of the past.

Let me rephrase that...

It won't happen, unless you keep them away from the frontlines, in good supply, for a 100 turns, or so. They won't be able to get that high in combat anymore. Unless, of course, you're running an old version, or have grandfathered in some high morale Axis minors from a game started with the earlier versions. Training them up in combat is a fool's errand these days.



The way I understand the morale changes there's a chance a unit loses a point if it's morale is over 30 above the national morale; the Axis minors can still reach 70 ( that's 30 above their national 40 ), the problem is holding it.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/9/2011 3:09:42 PM   
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But population can leave some of the bigger towns. So, is that die roll based on the towns ACTUAL Manpower, or the CAPACITY? If it's originally a size-4 town, but 1 Manpower took off, is the die roll 4 or 3?


Good point; don't know; will kick it upstairs.



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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/9/2011 5:24:57 PM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/17/2011 8:22:05 PM   
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Thought I was doing fine up until turn 34 when 16th Army just crumbled. Soon after that most of AGC buckled and routed. AGS had done extremly well thou! And I will never ever complain about the Romanians again. They held their own!

Your guide was very helpful thou!

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/17/2011 8:37:05 PM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/17/2011 9:31:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just stack them high and deep! I rotated them around when damage started to get to high! I put a whole bunch of them on digging trenches behind there own lines. So fresh ones in the front and the damaged one digging. Worked wonders!

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/20/2011 5:21:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm about to enter my second blizzard. In my first blizzard I tried building a fort line on the Dnepr and rivers all the way to Leningrad. You can only guess how that went.

Now I'm reading in the manual that first blizzard rules only apply east of the 72 hex line. In the northern and central regions. This means a little east of the Baltic rail line/Minsk. In the southern region, hexes south of the northern Romanian border with the U.S.S.R and roughly south of Kirovograd, the region extends west into Romania. If I read this correct, your units west of these lines don't suffer the debilitating first winter rules. So why all the fuss about shipping units to the Europe weather zone? Just move anything you want to preserve to the Minsk region.

Am I missing something here?

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/20/2011 5:44:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, any area that says blizzard will see your units get clobbered. 11th Army will crumble with a few love taps from a few Russians.

Your German infantry will be roughly 2CV with a lot of 1CV after the first full blizzard turn and then they get massacred.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/20/2011 5:52:27 PM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/20/2011 5:55:03 PM   
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Once Jan hits you will find a lot of your German infantry div with 7000 men and heading for unready status.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/20/2011 8:56:34 PM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/20/2011 9:19:35 PM   
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But I am trying the slow pull back method and it does have some promise. but after about 3 turns of blizzard, the divisions are getting critical manpower wise.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/22/2011 9:04:19 AM   
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Maybe. Not sure. I start the blizzard with a box of tissues anyway.



So do Russian players (sorry)

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/27/2011 10:54:40 PM   
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However Russian front line likely to be Riga-Minsk- Vitebsk-Odessa or possibly quite a bit further West down there. Finns have Leningrad. Interesting to see how long it will take to crush him as we are playing to historical result not game VPs

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/28/2011 6:47:42 PM   
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1> Is there anyway to adjust TOE through Commander's Report for an entire family of formations. For example I can select 'Yth Army' units, but this only shows subordinate hq's and combat formations directly attached to this army. If I know I have a certain Army in the rear that I want to adjust TOE for, do I need to manually click each subordinate HQ, to set the TOE for the combat units assigned to that HQ (and each division to set TOE for attached SU) or am I missing something?

2> When you say, adjust TOE of SU that use artillery, do you mean any SU that uses guns? like FlAK, AT guns etc. Or just the units that show when you click on 'Art'

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 3/28/2011 7:27:08 PM   
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> Is there anyway to adjust TOE through Commander's Report for an entire family of formations. For example I can select 'Yth Army' units, but this only shows subordinate hq's and combat formations directly attached to this army. If I know I have a certain Army in the rear that I want to adjust TOE for, do I need to manually click each subordinate HQ, to set the TOE for the combat units assigned to that HQ (and each division to set TOE for attached SU) or am I missing something?

2> When you say, adjust TOE of SU that use artillery, do you mean any SU that uses guns? like FlAK, AT guns etc. Or just the units that show when you click on 'Art'


Re 1: Yes, via the CR report if you click on the HQ tab, you can drill down from high to low level formations.

Re 2: Yes, every flak and AT "tube" costs armaments points, so the demand needs to be reduced.

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 5/28/2011 1:14:58 AM   
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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 6/23/2011 7:12:58 AM   
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If you click on the Production report (p), then look at the line for rifle squads, you will see a number in the right hand column (units). If you click on this you will see this:





Im being dense here, but i cant see any line that specifically lets me sort by rifle squads here. Can someone help?

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RE: V1.03 Blizzard survival guide - 6/23/2011 7:23:59 AM   
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If you click on the Production report (p), then look at the line for rifle squads, you will see a number in the right hand column (units). If you click on this you will see this:





Im being dense here, but i cant see any line that specifically lets me sort by rifle squads here. Can someone help?

Follow BA's instructions explicitly.

1. Click on Info Screens Tab
2. Click on Production Report
3. Scan down to the production item Ge Rifle Squads.
4. In the right-most column for this line entry, click on the hyperlinked number (number of units using this item).
5. You now have the Commanders Report open and showing units with Ge Rifle Squads as part of their TOE.
6. Look in the information near the top of this report, and you will see the total number of ready Ge Rifle Squads.
7. Done.

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