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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/18/2011 11:25:18 PM   
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Has anyone ever seen a strike of PBYs not score a hit? I cant say that I have.





Ever.






And I have played AE for 3 or 4 years now.


Yes, more than once in our current PBEM game, up to late March '42. We've had some good hits as well, but still plenty of misses.



Now if we could trade them in for those @#$$%%^^&&&^%$$% Emily's! Then we'd score!

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/19/2011 12:40:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: USS America


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ORIGINAL: CV2

Has anyone ever seen a strike of PBYs not score a hit? I cant say that I have.





Ever.






And I have played AE for 3 or 4 years now.


Yes, more than once in our current PBEM game, up to late March '42. We've had some good hits as well, but still plenty of misses.

And some butchered by CAP. They are quite a vulnerable airframe.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/19/2011 12:41:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: USS America


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ORIGINAL: CV2

Has anyone ever seen a strike of PBYs not score a hit? I cant say that I have.





Ever.






And I have played AE for 3 or 4 years now.


Yes, more than once in our current PBEM game, up to late March '42. We've had some good hits as well, but still plenty of misses.



Now if we could trade them in for those @#$$%%^^&&&^%$$% Emily's! Then we'd score!

Emily.....

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/21/2011 12:45:05 AM   
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They definitely miss. And get eaten by CAP. But I still use them.

This whole game is about adapting new strategies that wouldn't have been used IRL because there were real men in those planes, and loss rates would be unacceptable. But here, and with your back against the wall, instead of sending carriers out into the fray and getting them sunk, you use what you have.

Maybe the US should have used more long range bombing and torpedo capable planes instead of getting so many carriers sunk in 42. There were a lot of men on those too.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/21/2011 5:44:47 PM   
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Although I myself don't generally use PBY's as attack aircraft as they are way too valuable for patrol air craft, I'd like to point out a historic fact that might have some bearing on this discussion. When the USN accepted the the 1st PBY (then intended to be a PY), it's attack features so impressed officials that they changed the designator from Patrol- Consolidated (P=Patrol aircraft and Y was the builders code for the Consolidated aircraft company) tp Patrol Bomber Consolidated, or PBY. While we might not be impressed with the PBY's abilities, the USN was. May I also refer to a "campaign" off the Aluetians called the "PBY Blitz" or the "Kiska blitz" in which USN Cap. Thomas Gatch used his two squadrons of PBY's as bombers against the Japanese on Kiska.

Even "Tokyo Rose" commented on the New USN dive bomber that looked suspiciously like a PBY.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/21/2011 7:09:13 PM   
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Well, I had 10 unescorted Catalina's against 12 experienced zeroes with 4 getting through against my CVL task force. All 4 hit the CVL for about 60% damage on turn 3 of the GC. I'd say it was deadly. lol

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/25/2011 2:46:36 AM   
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Well, I had 10 unescorted Catalina's against 12 experienced zeroes with 4 getting through against my CVL task force. All 4 hit the CVL for about 60% damage on turn 3 of the GC. I'd say it was deadly. lol


How do you know it wasn't 2 of 4 striking with 2 torps each? also known as a 50% hit rate....

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/25/2011 9:54:01 PM   
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Good point but I still think they are overated with the average Catalina pilot in the first week of the war having just 20% experience and having such deadly accuracy verses any other naval torpedo bomber on either side. :-) After all they are supposed to be search planes not naval torpedo bombers. lol

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/26/2011 1:51:23 AM   
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Do not beleve AW1Steve's claims that he doesn't generally use PBY's as attack aircraft. He does and often. I have combat report evidence.


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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/26/2011 8:58:19 AM   
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Besides weather, altitude, experience of shooter and defender, cohesion, plane durability and armor and the guns themselves, are there other factors that effect the flak vs. aircraft resolution? The Catalina is so slow(and big) that it should be pretty easy target for the gunners, at least compared to, say, D3As or B5Ns. And the Japanese H6K/H8K even more so to Allies radar-guided AAA later in the war.

Have myself seen Catalinas attack naval units only twice, they sank an xAK (6 sorties combined) without a loss. Escorts were just PBs and a couple DDs though.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/28/2011 12:32:22 PM   
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If you were playing the other side, you'd be whining about how "over rated" the Emily was...


They are.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 2/28/2011 11:55:17 PM   
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quote:

Has anyone ever seen a strike of PBYs not score a hit? I cant say that I have.





Ever.






And I have played AE for 3 or 4 years now.

I realize I am jumping in a little late to this thread but I heard how good they were so I tried to use them once as strike aircraft and they were decimated and I havent tried since. YMMV

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 4/17/2012 8:03:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: findmeifyoucan
I still think they are overated with the average Catalina pilot in the first week of the war having just 20% experience and having such deadly accuracy verses any other naval torpedo bomber on either side. :-) After all they are supposed to be search planes not naval torpedo bombers. lol


+1. Yes, argggh . I'm very disappointed with this feature.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 4/17/2012 9:55:16 PM   
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Catalina probably would have made a better torpedo plane than the devastator..

it's better to launch two stones than one stone

... and they are both equally slow, but Catalina has lots of range

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 4/17/2012 10:02:56 PM   
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It's called "luck". One battle does not an overrated PBY make.

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RE: Catalina's over rated - 4/18/2012 4:13:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CV2

Has anyone ever seen a strike of PBYs not score a hit? I cant say that I have.





Ever.






And I have played AE for 3 or 4 years now.

YES


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RE: Catalina's over rated - 4/19/2012 11:17:58 PM   
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funny thing is... if the pacwar had taken place around 1938 or so,

the PBY would have been a pretty excellent torpedo plane (against a CAP of those biplane carrier fighters )

.. and before the mighty 25mm AA was in widespread use

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