From: Living in the fair city of Melbourne, Australia
Can you elaborate on the "preperation and planning" if more folks like myself knew how to make this possible then yea we might not need to help the soviets have the chance to do realistic damage they did do to the germans before winter.
Refitting and training are the key. I see a lot of Soviet players throw their divisions into a line or checkerboard after the first few turns. That's not how you create a reserve that can strike back.
No it isn't. Historically neither could the STAVKA during 1941 and 1942 either on the defensive or the offensive. You've got to hold the line. If no line, or checkerboard, or whatever, it's a free lunch for the Wehrmacht. Soviet doctrine was crystal clear, but they just lacked the means to implement it.
It's perfectly possible to have corps/armies with Rifle divisions with a CV of 3 or 4 after a few turns. 6 of those in a deliberate attack will bump back most German divisions. Stacks are a problem, but they should be. Soviet counterattacks against non-exposed Axis divisions should be very difficult. Why? Because they were very difficult in real life.
The Panzer and motorized division notenome bumped back had a defensive CV of 19 or 20. I see no reason why the Soviets should be able to successfully attack that with mediocre units from three hexsides. They couldn't do so in real life either. The Soviets mostly counterattacked when the Germans were exposed or had just bumped into a strong Soviet line, not when they were holding strong positions.
EDIT: Ok, I saw the combat report. I count there several units with CV of 20, which translates to an on-map CV of 2. He just attacked you with the kind of strength one can muster on half an Army. He had an advantage of 3:1 on men, 2:1 arty, but you had far more armor and no air support to speak of. Those panzers equalized things, and got the odds to 1.3:1... One Rifle Division less on the attack, and he wouldn't have make it. I think your losses were a bit too high and his were lower than I would expect from a similar attack (I just conducted a similar attack last turn and I got something like 20% losses with similar odds).
One thing that's easy to forget is that when a CV moves from 1:1 to 2:1, CV is essentially doubled, to give you an indication of how strong such an attack is. The Axis have nothing like it.
Ok, you have to retreat one miserable hex, after losing a few hundred men and perhaps a dozen afvs, and in exchange for that he gets, what, 6,000 casualties? With victories like that the RKKA is not going to get to Berlin any soon.
EDIT: You got far more losses than I would say it's normal at this stage of the war. I stand corrected.
Now, if the case was that the Soviet player was able to conduct 6 deliberate attacks and inflict 6,000 casualties on the SS Div... well, then I would agree with you that's there something ahistorical going on...
EDIT: Although the comment was way off-topic I still don't see anything ahistorical going on here. Kudos to notenome for being able to muster that strike force on short notice, it isn't easy.
< Message edited by Bletchley_Geek -- 1/31/2011 1:20:02 PM >
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