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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/14/2011 9:25:21 PM   
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And the excuse that "Huckleberry Finn" is public domain is the lamest, flimsiest piece of tripe. The New Testament is public domain too; maybe I should publish a version where Jesus Christ is renamed Gertrud...

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/14/2011 11:25:46 PM   
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maybe I should publish a version where Jesus Christ is renamed Gertrud...


I think that's already done. If anyone remembers that FEMINIST bible that was supposed to come out in the late 80's by storm. Turned into a huge flop and was never heard of again. And good riddance, we certainly don't need any more religions to fight over in today's world.




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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/15/2011 1:28:27 PM   
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Who the **** cares about SALES??? Nobody, because that's not the ****ing point!

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/15/2011 1:34:47 PM   
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because that's not the ****ing point!


Ok, guess the word contest, so far I have come up with

talking
walking
turning
burning

Any other guesses?

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/15/2011 10:11:01 PM   
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There are no issues less important than Political Correctness. It is the victory of the inane and idiotic over the valuable and worthwhile.


At my work the main secretary came up to me and told me I can't say Merry Christmas because Happy Holidays was more appropriate. I said it twice as much after that.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 12:02:15 AM   
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I dislike political correctness with passion, I was brought up in the world of Enid Blyton's Bigears, Noddy and Golliwogs. Just last year (2009 that is) here in Oz, some schools, put bans on nativity scenes at Christmas time, so not offend some minority sectors of our community. I'm not into a christian state, .... Oh, but for Pete's sake! Ooops sorry Pete!!

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 12:15:56 AM   
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I took a call just before Christmas from the Red Cross, asking if I would care to make a regular donation to that charity. Before responding to the request, I politely asked the caller whether something I had read recently in the newspaper was true; i.e. that the Red Cross do not sell cards with the word Christmas on, in their UK shops.

The caller told me that is correct, as they do not wish to "offend" anyone not of the Christian persuasion. I explained that I was rather disappointed that they felt it necessary to ban Christmas cards on some spurious grounds that someone, living in a predominantly Christian country, would be offended by this.

I thanked the caller for their enquiry but said I could not assist given their PC stance on Christmas. Privately however, I was seething inside and suddenly felt the urge to turn into a homicidal loon.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 1:02:32 AM   
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The bottom line regarding the censored Dire Syraits song "Money for Nothing" is 1 person complained.1 out of a country of approximately 35 million and because of 1 complaint the govt bans it.I could understand if there were lots of complaints,but the song has been playing on the radio for 25 years,its one of the most well known songs in classic rock.Oh well,thats what happens when you live in a socialist democracy.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 5:46:30 AM   
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So is there are list of banned words in Canada?

Or can anyone complain and get a word banned?

The United States is not far behind other countries in political correctness.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 8:30:44 AM   
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The bottom line regarding the censored Dire Syraits song "Money for Nothing" is 1 person complained.1 out of a country of approximately 35 million and because of 1 complaint the govt bans it.I could understand if there were lots of complaints,but the song has been playing on the radio for 25 years,its one of the most well known songs in classic rock.Oh well,thats what happens when you live in a socialist democracy.


No, that's what happens when you live in a country that's afraid of lawsuits, because everybody gets to sue everybody else over every bit of bellybutton lint that falls out of their empty skulls. Nothing to do with "socialism" and everything to do with idiocy.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 8:31:51 AM   
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"Socialism", HAH! You wouldn't know "socialism" if it walked up to you, kicked you in the shins and started singing the Internationale.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 9:06:37 AM   
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So is there are list of banned words in Canada?

Or can anyone complain and get a word banned?

Warspite1

No - and this is the whole point - one person can complain and get something banned, while hundreds of thousands could complain about something else and see nothing get done. The point is not the number of people that are truly upset by something, but whether or not the subject is of interest to the PC police.


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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 9:22:42 AM   
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1 out of a country of approximately 35 million and because of 1 complaint the govt bans it.I could understand if there were lots of complaints,but the song has been playing on the radio for 25 years,its one of the most well known songs in classic rock.Oh well,thats what happens when you live in a socialist democracy.


I am probably wrong here, but I think it was Aristotle (no must have been someone else?) who back in my days of philosophy 101 we learned was a big discreditor of democratic governments.  One line of reasoning was that issues had a tendency to always resort to mobs. The other, was something to do with the lunacy of the vote by the village idiot, being just as valuable as the vote from the town's wisemen.




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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 10:01:38 AM   
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Well, considering the highly limited form of "democracy" practiced in Aristotle's time, that'd be a bit hypocritical of him, the point being that the village idiot HAD no vote...

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 10:37:22 AM   
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Thank the lord for Dutch media - they are not bothered with any kind of language... lol

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 2:54:35 PM   
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Given that the point of the line is that the person saying it is an idiot I think the reaction is idiotic. I seem to remember an interview at the time when mark knopfler said he overheard this while out shopping!

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 4:56:25 PM   
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Speaking of Huck Finn, I teach American Literature among other things in a US high school. This is taught to students in grade 11 (high school goes through grade 12, and grade 11 is roughly age 17) in Louisiana, and American Lit is taught in grade 11 in many states in the US. Huck Finn is on the approved reading list for the state and for my school district, so I could teach it, but I don't, mainly because the American Lit students I teach are average to below average, and half of them just would not read it -- it would be a wasted exercise -- though I have taught it in other class situations. I know that might dismay some people, but I would rather teach things my students will actually read -- shorter selections -- than something most of them just won't read because they won't read a book. And I have to do most of our reading in class, because out of class many simply will not read, even a short selection, no matter what it costs them in the way of grades. We have higher level classes at my school where students do read the novel and other full novels, including dual enrollment classes (high school classes that also count for university credit).

Thus I see the point of creating a special "censored" version of the book. It cannot be taught in many places because of the tyranny of the perpetually offended, who are too stupid to realize what Mark Twain was actually writing about, and who object to use of the n-word in a classroom for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is simply so they can stick it to the man, so to speak. You don't see those same people protesting against use of the n-word in rap music and in the popular culture and in the black community itself. It is often simply a power struggle, with a few people willing to fight an issue simply so they can win the fight, with no regard for what they are actually fighting about. And some school districts just don't have the resources to fight the perpetually offended. It is easier to do something else.

The "censored" version of Huck Finn would allow teachers in many districts to approach the book and study it again, while avoiding the kneejerk reaction from the perpetually offended. Of course the students should be told what they are reading, and they will immediately make the connection themselves whenever they see the word "slave." Thus the "censored" Huck Finn would have basically the same effect as the uncensored version. Teachers use many altered or updated or excerpted versions of literary works already.

Right now I am teaching a condensed and simplified verison of The Scarlet Letter to my students. Several of the chapters are condensed, and the language has been slightly modified to simplify the vocabulary and update some of the archaic terms. I also summarize some of the text myself, and we end up reading about 50% of the actual text. I have no problem with this. It makes the story accessible to many of my students who would simply not read the original text. I know this may horrify some people, but I would rather give them something, again, that they will read, than something they will not read. I consider what I'm using to be a textbook study of the novel, btw, rather than the novel itself, and I explain this to my students. They also have the option of checking out the original version and reading it, and some have done so, my avid readers, the ones who always have a book with them already.

In addition, in American lit and every lit class, we make great use of excerpts from longer works. In my British Lit class (grade 12) we just read an excerpt from Milton's Paradise Lost . I don't expect these students to read the entire work, but we did work our way through the first few hundred lines, the introduction and the fall of Satan. And then there is Chaucer. We read a modern English translation. We don't try to struggle through the original language.

So teachers make compromises all the time in what they give kids to read for many reasons. If a "censored" version of Huck Finn can get into a classroom where the perpetually offended would object to the original version, then I see that as a good thing, almost a subversive thing, as long as the students are clearly told how the text has been changed.

None of this is perfect, and all of it can be questioned by well-meaning people, but as long as we are honest with the kids, I see nothing wrong with using excerpts, condensed and updated editions, altered Huck Finn, etc., if it will get more kids to read. Fewer and fewer kids in American schools are reading. It is imo a really dangerous thing. And it is not unique to America. It is a problem even in the much-touted Asian school systems.

On a side note, I saw my first Kindles in class after Christmas. Two students. They pulled them out and were reading during some down time, after they had finished an assignment. I had a talk with them and explained I will treat the Kindles just like an outside book. They can read them as long as they have finished their work or we are not working on something as a class. I expect this to cause problems in the future though, and have already talked to my boss about it, and he has decided the common sense approach is good for now, but we are dubious about the future. Technically use of electronic devices like cell phones and ipods and such is banned in the classroom. And I can expect eventually I will have a student complain, "Why can't I go on line with my iphone and read something if she can use her Kindle?" Or, "Yeah, I had my phone out, but I was just reading with it." And then things will go downhill from there. Cell phones are a terrible problem in class, btw. I just won't get into that any further.

Okay, this is too long, but there are some of my thoughts as an English teacher.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 7:14:38 PM   
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Given that the point of the line is that the person saying it is an idiot I think the reaction is idiotic. I seem to remember an interview at the time when mark knopfler said he overheard this while out shopping!


Exactly. It was not that the song was belittling Michael Jackson as an F*****. It was lampooning the idiocy of the common Joe who would have that sort of biased and derogatory view of guys like Jackson.

If the song was clearly promoting hate in some way, perhaps some consideration of its merits might be warranted, though I tend to believe censorship should almost never be done at all, outside of wartime. However, in this case, much as with Huck Finn, the censors, in their simpleminded idiocy, have effectively silenced a voice that was seeking to promote diversity and tolerance.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/16/2011 7:33:12 PM   
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I'm in Canada, but was brought up in England and also fondly remember the golliwogs in the Noddy books :) They are a strange lot here and probably don't even know what faggot actually means. Political correctness is doled out in spades! The stupidest thing I see are the traffic signs with "stop" and "arret" underneath, in bloody Ontario, which is supposed to be predominently English speaking. For chrissakes! - you have bloody "Stop" signs in France so what is this crap? If I drive over the bridge into Quebec I'm automatically a 2nd class citizen because the country panders to this extremely whiny, vocal group of anglophobes that basically get everything handed to them on a platter. Quebec is the only provice where so-called "bilingualism" isn't enforced - they even have sign laws where english can only be displayed underneath in smaller letters. With a mentality like that it's easy to understand how a single complaint can get a song censored/revised. It's not so great in England at the moment either, so I can always just play my original version of "Money for Nothing" loudly to let off some steam, although it's not exactly on my list of all-time greats anyways. They've also taken the Beatles' original "run for your life" of the air here too. I think rap will remain untouched since they might offend some minorities and special interest groups if they start revising the words "nigger", "bitch" and "ho" on all those wonderful tracks!

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 1:48:53 PM   
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here's some details as to exactly what happened in regards to the "money for nothing" brew-up - interesting comparing how Canada regulates the airwaves compared to everyone else


http://exploremusic.com/enlightenment/case-study-how-a-classic-song-ran-afoul-of-canadian-broadcast-regulations/

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 2:31:03 PM   
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JW, your post is very intersting. Some questions for you (and other eductators or folks with insight into such things):

1. What is the future of the printed word in schools and among school-aged children (textbooks, reading assignments, libraries, etc.)?

2. Do electronic devices make an adequate replacement for the printed word, are they even better, or are they worse?

3. What is your opinion of distance learning? How does it compare in quality to the "old-fashioned" method where students were in a classroom with an instructor?

I'm interested in your thoughts because I edit and publish an old-fashioned print magazine. Because we fit a niche market, I am optimistic about our future. I've also had interesting discussions with college professors who deplore distance learning, and I agree with their critiques. But the world is changing for better or for worse.


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ORIGINAL: JW

Speaking of Huck Finn, I teach American Literature among other things in a US high school. This is taught to students in grade 11 (high school goes through grade 12, and grade 11 is roughly age 17) in Louisiana, and American Lit is taught in grade 11 in many states in the US. Huck Finn is on the approved reading list for the state and for my school district, so I could teach it, but I don't, mainly because the American Lit students I teach are average to below average, and half of them just would not read it -- it would be a wasted exercise -- though I have taught it in other class situations. I know that might dismay some people, but I would rather teach things my students will actually read -- shorter selections -- than something most of them just won't read because they won't read a book. And I have to do most of our reading in class, because out of class many simply will not read, even a short selection, no matter what it costs them in the way of grades. We have higher level classes at my school where students do read the novel and other full novels, including dual enrollment classes (high school classes that also count for university credit).

Thus I see the point of creating a special "censored" version of the book. It cannot be taught in many places because of the tyranny of the perpetually offended, who are too stupid to realize what Mark Twain was actually writing about, and who object to use of the n-word in a classroom for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is simply so they can stick it to the man, so to speak. You don't see those same people protesting against use of the n-word in rap music and in the popular culture and in the black community itself. It is often simply a power struggle, with a few people willing to fight an issue simply so they can win the fight, with no regard for what they are actually fighting about. And some school districts just don't have the resources to fight the perpetually offended. It is easier to do something else.

The "censored" version of Huck Finn would allow teachers in many districts to approach the book and study it again, while avoiding the kneejerk reaction from the perpetually offended. Of course the students should be told what they are reading, and they will immediately make the connection themselves whenever they see the word "slave." Thus the "censored" Huck Finn would have basically the same effect as the uncensored version. Teachers use many altered or updated or excerpted versions of literary works already.

Right now I am teaching a condensed and simplified verison of The Scarlet Letter to my students. Several of the chapters are condensed, and the language has been slightly modified to simplify the vocabulary and update some of the archaic terms. I also summarize some of the text myself, and we end up reading about 50% of the actual text. I have no problem with this. It makes the story accessible to many of my students who would simply not read the original text. I know this may horrify some people, but I would rather give them something, again, that they will read, than something they will not read. I consider what I'm using to be a textbook study of the novel, btw, rather than the novel itself, and I explain this to my students. They also have the option of checking out the original version and reading it, and some have done so, my avid readers, the ones who always have a book with them already.

In addition, in American lit and every lit class, we make great use of excerpts from longer works. In my British Lit class (grade 12) we just read an excerpt from Milton's Paradise Lost . I don't expect these students to read the entire work, but we did work our way through the first few hundred lines, the introduction and the fall of Satan. And then there is Chaucer. We read a modern English translation. We don't try to struggle through the original language.

So teachers make compromises all the time in what they give kids to read for many reasons. If a "censored" version of Huck Finn can get into a classroom where the perpetually offended would object to the original version, then I see that as a good thing, almost a subversive thing, as long as the students are clearly told how the text has been changed.

None of this is perfect, and all of it can be questioned by well-meaning people, but as long as we are honest with the kids, I see nothing wrong with using excerpts, condensed and updated editions, altered Huck Finn, etc., if it will get more kids to read. Fewer and fewer kids in American schools are reading. It is imo a really dangerous thing. And it is not unique to America. It is a problem even in the much-touted Asian school systems.

On a side note, I saw my first Kindles in class after Christmas. Two students. They pulled them out and were reading during some down time, after they had finished an assignment. I had a talk with them and explained I will treat the Kindles just like an outside book. They can read them as long as they have finished their work or we are not working on something as a class. I expect this to cause problems in the future though, and have already talked to my boss about it, and he has decided the common sense approach is good for now, but we are dubious about the future. Technically use of electronic devices like cell phones and ipods and such is banned in the classroom. And I can expect eventually I will have a student complain, "Why can't I go on line with my iphone and read something if she can use her Kindle?" Or, "Yeah, I had my phone out, but I was just reading with it." And then things will go downhill from there. Cell phones are a terrible problem in class, btw. I just won't get into that any further.

Okay, this is too long, but there are some of my thoughts as an English teacher.



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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 3:20:14 PM   
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"Socialism", HAH! You wouldn't know "socialism" if it walked up to you, kicked you in the shins and started singing the Internationale.

Quote from Canadian encyclopedia,I beleive I know more about my country then you do."Social democratic thought in Canada inspired legislation such as WORKERS' COMPENSATION, MINIMUM WAGE, OLD-AGE PENSION, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, FAMILY ALLOWANCE, subsidized housing (Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation) and medicare (see HEALTH POLICY). The WELFARE STATE has largely been the product of joint action by social democrats and reform-minded liberals."

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 7:00:09 PM   
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they even have sign laws where english can only be displayed underneath in smaller letters.


I still remember a time when English signs in Quebec used to get you arrested.  So.... very slowly are they making progress...



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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 7:43:15 PM   
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3. What is your opinion of distance learning? How does it compare in quality to the "old-fashioned" method where students were in a classroom with an instructor?

I'm interested in your thoughts because I edit and publish an old-fashioned print magazine. Because we fit a niche market, I am optimistic about our future. I've also had interesting discussions with college professors who deplore distance learning, and I agree with their critiques. But the world is changing for better or for worse.



Sorry for barging in and also to a lesser extent for being OT.

I did some distance education a few years ago, it was a great opportunity for me. However there is a bit of a stigma on it for serious work, (mine was graduate level with credits), but it was a very good and perhaps the only way for me to get the kind of education I needed.

Dealing with peoples perceptions of it it probably the worst part of it for me. The prof used to have a lot of trouble with the University because they wanted distance education to fit within the on capmus, full time student mold and it simply didn't.



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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 9:08:19 PM   
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3. What is your opinion of distance learning? How does it compare in quality to the "old-fashioned" method where students were in a classroom with an instructor?


Talking about actual experience, for me this not a question of old-fashioned or modern, but a matter of efficiency. Thus I prefer the classroom with a limited amount of fellow students and an instructor, providing direct feedback and transfering high compressed knowledge, to be expanded in autodidactic studies at home. For similar reasons I take written text over multimedia stuff. You can vastly speed-up your reading but it's not possible to do that with audio content.

I wouldn't pay for distant learning, unless it's necessary for exam preparation. But usually one get same result by reading books and signing up at dedicated online communities.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 9:14:17 PM   
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"Socialism", HAH! You wouldn't know "socialism" if it walked up to you, kicked you in the shins and started singing the Internationale.

Quote from Canadian encyclopedia,I beleive I know more about my country then you do."Social democratic thought in Canada inspired legislation such as WORKERS' COMPENSATION, MINIMUM WAGE, OLD-AGE PENSION, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, FAMILY ALLOWANCE, subsidized housing (Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation) and medicare (see HEALTH POLICY). The WELFARE STATE has largely been the product of joint action by social democrats and reform-minded liberals."


"Social Democrat" and "Socialist Democratic" are NOT THE SAME THING. Read up on those words before using them; Denmark is a "Social Democrat" welfare state as well, but it's certainly not "Socialist", which is the word you used.

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 11:05:38 PM   
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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/17/2011 11:25:45 PM   
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It was a typo,and show some respect for us,remember we liberated you from Nazi's.

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Was that comment in jest or what?

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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/18/2011 8:02:49 AM   
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Speaking of Huck Finn, I teach American Literature among other things in a US high school. This is taught to students in grade 11 (high school goes through grade 12, and grade 11 is roughly age 17) in Louisiana, and American Lit is taught in grade 11 in many states in the US. Huck Finn is on the approved reading list for the state and for my school district, so I could teach it, but I don't, mainly because the American Lit students I teach are average to below average, and half of them just would not read it -- it would be a wasted exercise -- though I have taught it in other class situations. I know that might dismay some people, but I would rather teach things my students will actually read -- shorter selections -- than something most of them just won't read because they won't read a book. And I have to do most of our reading in class, because out of class many simply will not read, even a short selection, no matter what it costs them in the way of grades. We have higher level classes at my school where students do read the novel and other full novels, including dual enrollment classes (high school classes that also count for university credit).

Thus I see the point of creating a special "censored" version of the book. It cannot be taught in many places because of the tyranny of the perpetually offended, who are too stupid to realize what Mark Twain was actually writing about, and who object to use of the n-word in a classroom for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is simply so they can stick it to the man, so to speak. You don't see those same people protesting against use of the n-word in rap music and in the popular culture and in the black community itself. It is often simply a power struggle, with a few people willing to fight an issue simply so they can win the fight, with no regard for what they are actually fighting about. And some school districts just don't have the resources to fight the perpetually offended. It is easier to do something else.

The "censored" version of Huck Finn would allow teachers in many districts to approach the book and study it again, while avoiding the kneejerk reaction from the perpetually offended. Of course the students should be told what they are reading, and they will immediately make the connection themselves whenever they see the word "slave." Thus the "censored" Huck Finn would have basically the same effect as the uncensored version. Teachers use many altered or updated or excerpted versions of literary works already.

Right now I am teaching a condensed and simplified verison of The Scarlet Letter to my students. Several of the chapters are condensed, and the language has been slightly modified to simplify the vocabulary and update some of the archaic terms. I also summarize some of the text myself, and we end up reading about 50% of the actual text. I have no problem with this. It makes the story accessible to many of my students who would simply not read the original text. I know this may horrify some people, but I would rather give them something, again, that they will read, than something they will not read. I consider what I'm using to be a textbook study of the novel, btw, rather than the novel itself, and I explain this to my students. They also have the option of checking out the original version and reading it, and some have done so, my avid readers, the ones who always have a book with them already.

In addition, in American lit and every lit class, we make great use of excerpts from longer works. In my British Lit class (grade 12) we just read an excerpt from Milton's Paradise Lost . I don't expect these students to read the entire work, but we did work our way through the first few hundred lines, the introduction and the fall of Satan. And then there is Chaucer. We read a modern English translation. We don't try to struggle through the original language.

So teachers make compromises all the time in what they give kids to read for many reasons. If a "censored" version of Huck Finn can get into a classroom where the perpetually offended would object to the original version, then I see that as a good thing, almost a subversive thing, as long as the students are clearly told how the text has been changed.

None of this is perfect, and all of it can be questioned by well-meaning people, but as long as we are honest with the kids, I see nothing wrong with using excerpts, condensed and updated editions, altered Huck Finn, etc., if it will get more kids to read. Fewer and fewer kids in American schools are reading. It is imo a really dangerous thing. And it is not unique to America. It is a problem even in the much-touted Asian school systems.

On a side note, I saw my first Kindles in class after Christmas. Two students. They pulled them out and were reading during some down time, after they had finished an assignment. I had a talk with them and explained I will treat the Kindles just like an outside book. They can read them as long as they have finished their work or we are not working on something as a class. I expect this to cause problems in the future though, and have already talked to my boss about it, and he has decided the common sense approach is good for now, but we are dubious about the future. Technically use of electronic devices like cell phones and ipods and such is banned in the classroom. And I can expect eventually I will have a student complain, "Why can't I go on line with my iphone and read something if she can use her Kindle?" Or, "Yeah, I had my phone out, but I was just reading with it." And then things will go downhill from there. Cell phones are a terrible problem in class, btw. I just won't get into that any further.

Okay, this is too long, but there are some of my thoughts as an English teacher.




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RE: Dire Straits censored? - 1/18/2011 8:04:47 AM   
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Terminus, I was looking at your avatar. Is that the back of someones head? 

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