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Weapon Damage and Armor Info - 1/12/2011 12:39:26 AM   
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I wanted to get a better understanding of the weapons (especially with tech upgrades), so I dumped all their stats into a spreadsheet. It lists some other things like DPS, and some has funky looking visuals too.

Y axis is weapon DPS per unit of size, X is weapon type and upgrades while Z is distance from 0-900.





The weapons stack up pretty much as expected, and seem pretty balanced. Few surpises though:
-beam weapons seem to outdamage most anything until armor comes into play
-the Wekkarus and Boskara techs are downright scary
-missiles are probably best used early on and given to swarms of high mobility frigates to exploit their long range and low energy use

Hopefully it will help your game out.

Notes:
Weapon DPS is per unit of size, with range 0-990 on the Z-axis
Point Defense cannons are unable to fire at fleet ships
This doesn't take accuracy in to consideration. Beam weapons for example have terrible accuracy at range, while torpedo weapons always hit.
The Damage Control component only reduces damage that gets past shields and the damage reduction of armor, and isn't modeled here.

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2/14: Updated with races spreadsheet

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RE: Weapons spreadsheet - 1/12/2011 1:38:15 AM   
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RE: Weapons spreadsheet - 1/12/2011 2:21:43 AM   
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RE: Weapons spreadsheet - 1/12/2011 9:28:07 AM   
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RE: Weapons spreadsheet - 1/12/2011 3:09:29 PM   
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RE: Weapons spreadsheet - 1/12/2011 4:07:16 PM   
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RE: Cheetsheets! - 1/21/2011 4:10:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's one for the races

This is pretty much races.txt in a sortable and more readable format. It lists everything about the races from their preferred planet type to their troop strength and tech focus.

I'm not sure how to sort in MS office, but in openoffice I have it set up so you can just click on a tile and hit the sort ascending or descending button.

edit: added to top post

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RE: Cheetsheets! - 1/21/2011 9:29:33 AM   
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RE: Cheetsheets! - 1/21/2011 7:05:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ooo yoiu need to put Death Ray and Devastator Pulse superweapons in there! GREAT Job!

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RE: Cheetsheets! - 1/21/2011 8:24:40 PM   
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RE: Cheetsheets! - 2/14/2011 10:50:10 PM   
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I updated the weapons spreadsheet so that you can see how they do against armor, and increased to range data slightly to 990. For example here's how much damage each weapon armor deals against maximum armor:



See attachment for how to set it.

It's added to the first post along with a slightly updated races sheet.

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ORIGINAL: Larsenex
Ooo yoiu need to put Death Ray and Devastator Pulse superweapons in there! GREAT Job!

I didn't really want to spoil it. They blow thing up real good though though, believe me




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RE: Cheetsheets! - 2/15/2011 7:24:38 AM   
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RE: Cheetsheets! - 7/24/2012 2:02:47 PM   
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If this could be updated for Legends that would be awesome.

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RE: Cheetsheets! - 8/31/2012 9:46:05 AM   
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Is the data mined from the actual components when they are researched in the game?

Or can it be found in a raw text form somewhere in the files?

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RE: Cheetsheets! - 8/31/2012 6:30:58 PM   
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RE: Cheetsheets! - 9/2/2012 11:50:39 PM   
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RE: Cheetsheets! - 9/3/2012 7:25:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I plan to do one when I transfer the races to the DW Wiki - as I am also working on other tables from the game and elsewhere...

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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/10/2013 12:00:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally got around to adding the Legends weapons! Only images right now, I'll upload the rest later.

Weapon DPS per size vs shields:


Weapon DPS per size vs reactive armor (second best):


I zoomed in a little to get a beter picture, the autocannons go to 5.5 or something.

Individual weapon comparisons of the same here: 1 2


About this:
-Just treat this as a baseline. Range is arguably more important than sheer damage in practice, and some things aren't modeled here, like energy use and accuracy.
-Range is roughly modeled and gets rounded to the nearest hundred, so range differences are more dramatic here than they are in game.
-Modifiers vs armor that railguns, missiles and phasers get are all applied here.
-Damage Control components only reduce damage that gets past the reactive rating of armor, so it isn't modeled here.

Anyways there's some interesting stuff here - I didn't realize rail guns got shut down so hard by high tech armor. Also the top tier rail gun looks horrible, does anyone actually use it? I'm a fan of rail guns but I always stop at Heavy Rails personally.

Also I'm going to try missiles and phasers instead of switching to torpedoes early on, looks fun.

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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/10/2013 12:44:44 AM   
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Images are not working though...

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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/10/2013 1:06:19 AM   
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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/10/2013 11:03:18 AM   
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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/11/2013 5:25:25 PM   
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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/11/2013 10:43:26 PM   
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I am now on a different computer than previously, and images are still not working? Do they work for you Gareth?

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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/12/2013 2:43:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice! I had intuited that the Torpedo and Starfighter lines seemed to be the best. (DPS/Unit size/range/energy) Looks like I wasn't far off.

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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/12/2013 2:50:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's weird, no idea why imgur would be giving you problems.

Anyway here's the weapons spreadsheet, it has a few extra stats now like burst damage/size and energy efficiency/DPS/size (turns out massive railguns are one of the most efficient weapons in the game if that's any consolation). Images are in the zip too since imgur is being terrible.



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RE: Weapon Damage and Armor comparison - 2/12/2013 10:01:25 AM   
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Yes, they do work for me. Maybe there's a filetype\filename block by your provider.

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