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Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/19/2010 7:34:31 PM   
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I tried to do a para drop by moving it to a LW airbase but I cannot seem to get it to drop behind Soviet lines.
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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/19/2010 7:59:02 PM   
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Make sure you break them up. I assume you know the rest (page 73).

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/20/2010 4:33:44 AM   
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You can't paradrop the air landing division, just transport it from one airbase to another.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/20/2010 7:32:31 AM   
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Thanks for the information.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/20/2010 10:28:47 AM   
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Do the Germans get Paras except for the short lived 7 Flieger? I'd love to drop them behind the Soviets at Crimea and let the Romanians crush the cut off forces against the Black Sea...

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 5:55:39 AM   
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Since airbases are not part of the permanent 'ground', and can't be captured, then the air landing division can't be taken into enemy territory the way it was designed.  Oh are they disappointed.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 8:55:46 AM   
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@ offworlder. I am trying to find out from the scenario designers if the other LW divisions that are called "parachute" divisions are air-droppable or not - I think they are titles only.

I have used the 7th Flieger as you proposed; indeed I got Rostov with it, but you are right, you only have a small window of opportunity to use it.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 9:12:44 AM   
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Thanks! Pity we don't have an airborne capability and so 7 Flieger only arrives when operations are winding down, meaning that it is next to useless. Mind you Axis only deployed smally para drops (mostly Brandenburgers actually) and I think that most Fallschirmjaeger divisions actually fought in the west and the mediterranean. As you said, most of them would have been just titles (I believe that beyond of the I and II divisions who had specific para training, most of the others only had perfunctionary para training).

What about the Russians? Are their para brigades all air droppable?

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 9:17:30 AM   
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What about the Russians? Are their para brigades all air droppable?


This thread talks about Russian paradrops.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2658270

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 4:05:06 PM   
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Your question has thrown up an anomaly in the cuurent OOB. 2nd Fallschirmjaeger arrives in 1943 as a motorised unit, but it is also showing as para-droppable, so either they lose their trucks or lose their parachutes. At the moment it looks like their trucks have parachutes too!

Will get back to you when I know.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 4:26:29 PM   
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IIRC after playing with the editor and doing testruns they loose the motorised unit status and turn to non-mot. when you break them up.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 4:35:45 PM   
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They should lose all non-parachutable ground elements. The same goes for the Soviets, by the way.

What I'm currently wondering about is whether they do actually lose the vehicles, considering that they're generic and not actually listed in the TOE as ground elements.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 4:41:02 PM   
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quote:

What I'm currently wondering about is whether they do actually lose the vehicles


Can you fit Opel Blitz in Ju-52?

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IIRC after playing with the editor and doing testruns they loose the motorised unit status and turn to non-mot.


Units shouldn't change their movement status. Imho, para units shouldn't be motorized from the start.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 4:52:39 PM   
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Can you fit Opel Blitz in Ju-52?


No, but that doesn't necessarily mean the game knows. For all I knew, the game might treat the Ju 52 like one of those clown cars and be perfectly OK with transporting 900 vehicles with them, which is why I asked.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 6:24:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

Your question has thrown up an anomaly in the cuurent OOB. 2nd Fallschirmjaeger arrives in 1943 as a motorised unit, but it is also showing as para-droppable, so either they lose their trucks or lose their parachutes. At the moment it looks like their trucks have parachutes too!

Will get back to you when I know.



Oops!

I'm surprised that the 2nd is motorised at all though. Admittedly, in game terms, I'd prefer that it was a motorised unit (God knows if the German army needs every one of them!) but I find it hard to believe that it was so in real life. I'll try to dig in my books if I have time...

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 6:33:08 PM   
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2nd Fallschirmjaeger's motorization is probably an OOB error, as it also has a parachute counter, not a motorized infantry counter like the units arriving with the HG corps late in the war.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 6:49:53 PM   
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Herman Georing units were raised as 'typical' (ie bombastically oversize as their sponsor) panzer and pg divisions and the fallschirmjaeger appellation was only an honour. They started off as personal guards to Goering and ended as 2 fine divisions. None of them should actually have a parachute attribute at all.

still looking for mention of 2 Fallschirmjaeger motorisation. I too think its an error since they did carry out minor para operations in the Agean and I believe in saving Mussolini before being used as elite infantry on all fronts. Still if they would like to put them on Gigants and drop them somewhere....

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 6:52:11 PM   
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As said: the HG units are regular motorized units as far as the game's concerned.

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RE: Airborne Drop of German Airlanding Division - 12/21/2010 6:58:46 PM   
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Historically, there was a huge effort to attempt to at least nominally motorize all of the FJ divisions. That obviously precludes the use of parachutes, and by 1944, only a very small percentage of the FJ were jump-trained.

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