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Some explain this - 12/14/2010 1:48:48 AM   
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So, it's March '42. The Germans are starting to slowly inch forward again, especially in the South where the lines are almost shattered, there is a solid line of German units from Leningrad to Stalino, and then this .....




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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 1:53:33 AM   
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I don't think it was a amphibious invasion, I didn't think Russia could do that in the Baltic.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 1:57:56 AM   
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Oof - make sure you have a save for the turn before - someone will want to see that. I've never seen this happen before.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 2:10:48 AM   
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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 2:33:47 AM   
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Amazingly, this is the next turn. Must be a phantom army.




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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 2:38:32 AM   
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Cant forget the island. I said in my AAR that Estonia was a bitch to secure. I never seen that before but I guess its a lesson...You left a port there.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:26:20 AM   
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Don't worry, some of them came back the following turn.

Is there a "revolt" rule or something?

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:28:45 AM   
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Theres an open port, ships can travel at night and bring alot of stuff...

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:28:48 AM   
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It looks like you never occupied those islands and left the ports in Soviet control. And the Soviet eventually decided to ship units over there and march into your rear.

Not an amphibious invasion.



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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:34:22 AM   
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Cant forget the island. I said in my AAR that Estonia was a bitch to secure. I never seen that before but I guess its a lesson...You left a port there.


Whoa,so are you say:

1) There were troops on the island that went undetected?

2) The ai used a port to land more troops?

Which do you think happened there?

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:38:24 AM   
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First you need to take open ports, its easy to overlook that one. You never air reconed the island, thus the build up, so the problem...

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:40:08 AM   
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I've always made sure I occupied Kuressare.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:44:44 AM   
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Leave it to Brad to know the name of the island...We have alot of very smart testers...

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:51:10 AM   
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How interesting ! The Soviet AI building up lots of units on this island through the port they never lost control of and surprise! we're in your rear!

Don't know how strong are these units, but OKH must be in some form of crisis mode here

You have some major cleanup to do...

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 3:55:49 AM   
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Woah this is interesting!  First time I've seen this in a wargame.
Gotta comment the developers.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 4:12:10 AM   
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It's surprising to us testers as well. We've never seen the AI do this, mostly because we never left this island unoccupied in test games. I'm rather pleased the AI can take advantage of this sort of booboo.





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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 4:47:32 AM   
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Ah the AI, Gary pulled that one out of the hat...Most during my AAR thought it was a pushover. Welcome to your first class 101...

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 5:06:55 AM   
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Well, I am at 100% recon, so ALL of the units had to be shipped there. Odd that so many could be moved in a turn.

But, that's why I'm playing this game, to figure out all the rules.

BTW, I had occupied the port earlier in the game. I didn't realize that I had to garrison it as well.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 5:14:22 AM   
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You do not need to garrison the port, except to prevent amphibious invasions. If the area was indeed under your control, then I'm not sure what happened here. An amphibious invasion shouldn't have been possible, so I don't understand how the control flipped over. We may have a bug here.

Do you have any older saves? Would be nice if you could double check the control status in older saves.

Another possibility is that you did have control, but not of the entire area, and there was a unit hidden away in a corner of the island that your recon didn't detect, and then that unit marched back and took the port.

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RE: Some explain this - 12/14/2010 6:19:34 AM   
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This must be either bug or mistake in the AI execution files!

Why? Because when you look at the date (3/19/1942) and the state of sea in the Gulf of Finland (frozen solid!) there is no way the Russians could move their ships through the sea.
Besides, The Gulf of Finland was the most heavily mined sea-area in the WWII, Russians could not, literally, get their ships over to Kurressaare. They could not even supply Hanko which they took over after Winter war.

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