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Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/1/2010 7:10:44 PM   
cantona2


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Status: offline 		As many of you are aware Ramon (Fletcher) and I are engaged on a historical as possible game of AE. We have wracked our brains trying to find suitable HRs to govern the air campaign in the CBI region during the Monsoon Season. We have HRs governing ground combat and we initially left the flying or not flying of missions to the game engine but we have found that air ops are flown regardless of weather. As such we have tried to think of ideas for HRs to govern this facet of combat. Reading Bloody Shambles one gets a strong impression that this theater's aerial ops practically shut down other than on good flying weather days or the odd recon/transport mission.

I have suggested a stop to all aerial missions in the months of July and August but we really want something more substantial. Your input is greatly welcome, who knows we may all benefit from this as a community.

We await, grateful for your inputs

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/3/2010 9:14:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		since nobody else spoke up I'll take a stab: Restrict all air ops to days when the forcast is "clear" or "partly Cloudy". Everything else should cause stand down conditions.
Or: Set all airgroups to 90% training so only 10% fly ops. This would represent limited use of aircraft during small breaks in the weather.

My two cents.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/3/2010 9:18:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		restrict 4E base of operation to Calcutta or W by NW of that. Logistical restrictions pretty much kept them huddled around the eastern capital. Even 2E didn't venture much farther east than that....the border AF's being primarily used by 1E fighters/fighter bombers.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/4/2010 12:53:03 PM   
cavalry

 

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Status: offline 		Have you been to these places with monsoon?

Actually its really not as bad as you think but when it rains it really rains.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/4/2010 1:30:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cavalry

Have you been to these places with monsoon?

Actually its really not as bad as you think but when it rains it really rains.


+1

I was thinking the same thing myself. Further, I suspect the biggest impact to operations is on unimproved airfields -- which must have been ghastly mud holes.

To address the OP's question: I would venture to say that if you want a more historical restriction, one way of doing it would be to limit the percentage of operational aircraft in any squadron to 10% for each airfield level in the area of operations. Hence a level 5 AF could have 50% of its aircraft available. Other aircraft would not be availble for training, and in effect on stand down.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/4/2010 1:38:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please remember that the Japanese invaded Malaya DURING the NE Monsoon Season there---which dumps about 400 inches of rain on the East Coast during Nov-Feb each year.  Which is why even though they landed on that coast, they carried out their offensive down the West Coast (in the rain shadow of the penninsula's central mountains.)  It is possible to conduct operations during a Monsoon, they are just more weather sensitive.

The SW Monsoon (off the Bay of Bengal) effects mostly the South Coast of Sumatra (Malaya again being in the rain shadow of the Sumatran Mountains.  But it's the one people think of when discussing the War in SE Asia because it effected Burma and NE India every year during the period.  The biggest effects were to make land movement along unimproved (paved) routes nearly impossible and restrict air operations to improved bases during morning (pre-rain arrival) timeframes, as the rains began about mid-day.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/4/2010 4:42:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really like the AF and % of use ideas. Lew and I are using this set of HR for Burma and the surrounding area for monsoon time:


1. Offensive operations in jungle and mountain hexes on the Burmese front should be stopped from June 1st to November 1st for the Monsoon Season, allowing R&R, unit rotations, and give both players on the front a much less bloody (and much more interesting) experience. This would mean:

- No deliberate or shock attack in the jungle hexs in the designated area
- Bombardment attacks are still allowed
- Movement into friendly or empty hexes are still allowed
- No offensive air ops from or against the Burmese front hex (recon still allowed)
- No offensive carrier operations in the Gulf of Bengal against Burma (other naval ops, including bombardment, are still allowed). Striking either Bengal, Northern India or Malaya from carriers in the Gulf is still allowed, of course.

Hexes would be corresponding to everything above the "Thailand" label within Burmese and Thailandese borders + the few jungle hexes going 3 or 4 hexes into "India" (Kohima, Ledo, Imphal area)

We're at May 42 so the thoughts of getting thing done before the monsoon is really beginning to intrude on my thinking. What are thoughts regarding these HR? I would amend them to include what has been discussed above with AF.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/4/2010 4:53:14 PM   
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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/4/2010 6:12:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Historically, i believe the monsoons failed in 1944, and maybe in 1945 (i'd have to check my references on the later). Certainly the British conducted offensive operations during 1944-5 monsoon seasons with devastating results (to the Japanese).

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/5/2010 11:18:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ecwgcx

since nobody else spoke up I'll take a stab: Restrict all air ops to days when the forcast is "clear" or "partly Cloudy". Everything else should cause stand down conditions.
Or: Set all airgroups to 90% training so only 10% fly ops. This would represent limited use of aircraft during small breaks in the weather.

My two cents.


ecwgcx,

It´s an excellent idea !. Thank you very much.
If Jonathan (Cantona2) is agree will take borrowed !

Best wishes
Ramón


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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/5/2010 12:38:55 PM   
cantona2


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Status: offline 		Thanks for replies, after discussions with Ramon, we've decided to adopt LoBaron's suggestion.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/5/2010 1:49:19 PM   
mike scholl 1

 

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

1. Offensive operations in jungle and mountain hexes on the Burmese front should be stopped from June 1st to November 1st for the Monsoon Season, allowing R&R, unit rotations, and give both players on the front a much less bloody (and much more interesting) experience. This would mean:



Be more accurate to make it May 15th to September 15th. November is much to late for the SW Monsoon.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/5/2010 10:10:30 PM   
bbbf

 

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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

The SW Monsoon (off the Bay of Bengal) effects mostly the South Coast of Sumatra (Malaya again being in the rain shadow of the Sumatran Mountains.  But it's the one people think of when discussing the War in SE Asia because it effected Burma and NE India every year during the period.  The biggest effects were to make land movement along unimproved (paved) routes nearly impossible and restrict air operations to improved bases during morning (pre-rain arrival) timeframes, as the rains began about mid-day.



So what this means is that the code should really only allow AM air missions during the monsoon period - that would cut the intensity down.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/6/2010 12:48:58 AM   
Zebedee


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Status: offline 		Isn't there a supply malus during monsoon season in appropriate areas? IIRC it's something like a 50% malus to supplies getting through.

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RE: Seeking HR Monsoon Advice - 12/6/2010 1:41:10 AM   
mike scholl 1

 

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ORIGINAL: bbbf


quote:

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

The SW Monsoon (off the Bay of Bengal) effects mostly the South Coast of Sumatra (Malaya again being in the rain shadow of the Sumatran Mountains.  But it's the one people think of when discussing the War in SE Asia because it effected Burma and NE India every year during the period.  The biggest effects were to make land movement along unimproved (paved) routes nearly impossible and restrict air operations to improved bases during morning (pre-rain arrival) timeframes, as the rains began about mid-day.



So what this means is that the code should really only allow AM air missions during the monsoon period - that would cut the intensity down.



Probably easier and more realistic to cut the combat availabilities of the air units to 50% during the monsoon period. No more than half the A/C allowed to fly, and only from lvl 4 airfields or above. No ground unit movement except on RR's and Major highways.

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