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Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:20:10 PM   
Bullwinkle58


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Status: online 		This is just to illustrate and document the emergency reinforcement package Japan gets should the Allies trigger them by landing on the HI or one of the other hexes under Japan's national control. Methods and codes to see which hexes are involved in natioanl control can be found in post #s 7, 10, 11, 12, and 15 in the thread at

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2620744&mpage=1�

Methodology:

1) I landed portions of two US Army infantry regiments (19th and 21st) at a cleaned-out Nagoya on January 29, 1942.

2) Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered during the Japanese phases.

3) The Japanese package is very straightforward compared to some of the Allies'. I did not test, but assume, that there is only one Japanese package used for all situations.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 29, 42
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Pre-Invasion action off Nagoya

Allied Ships
CA San Francisco
CA Minneapolis
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
CA Salt Lake City
CA Chicago
CA Chester
CA Northampton
CA Indianapolis

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (6 destroyed, 6 disabled)

CA San Francisco firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Minneapolis firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Astoria firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA New Orleans firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Chicago firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Chester firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Northampton firing at Nagoya Fortress
CA Indianapolis firing at Nagoya Fortress
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Amphibious Assault at Nagoya

TF 14 troops unloading over beach at Nagoya, 111,60

Allied ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (0 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled)

13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 19th Infantry Rgt /2
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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Jan 29, 42 (Edited of extraneous material)

Japan invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Guards Depot Division arrives at Tokyo
2nd Depot Division arrives at Sendai
3rd Depot Division arrives at Nagoya
4th Depot Division arrives at Osaka/Kyoto
5th Depot Division arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
6th Depot Division arrives at Kumamoto
51st Depot Division arrives at Utsonomiya
55th Depot Division arrives at Takamatsu
56th Depot Division arrives at Kurume
57th Depot Division arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori


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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:22:14 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:22:50 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:24:11 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:24:41 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:25:09 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:25:41 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:26:17 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:26:47 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:27:22 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/14/2010 11:27:58 PM   
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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 12:56:40 AM   
Chickenboy


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Status: offline 		Bullwinkle,

Certainly appreciate these playtests of yours, sir.  Keep up the good work.

My only comment is how much those garrison divisions stink.  Nice AV, but 35 exp. / 35 morale?  Yuck!

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 1:01:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Surprised we dont' get a bunch of 'Angry Mob Militia' groups. One of the main reasons we didn't go ahead and invade was fear that literally every man, woman and child in Japan would take up arms and fight. But I guess at some point you can't include everything.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 1:05:42 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		These are the training cadres that provide basic training for recruits mobilised for war hence the depot status.

They are not fornt line units but in an emergancy any help is usefull.

Unlike allies japan is not fighting a global war therefore cannot borrow forces from other theatres.

Had I had time I would have added a one off PP injection to allow the Japanese to draw troops from Manchuria but wasnt possible

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 1:17:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		By the time Japan gets invaded, the Japanese player probably has PPs to burn. Creating some garrison forces in Manchuria to cover the garrison requirement would probably serve the same purpose Andy.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 12:18:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks bullwinkle!

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 1:04:09 PM   
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quote:

Japan invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Guards Depot Division arrives at Tokyo
2nd Depot Division arrives at Sendai
3rd Depot Division arrives at Nagoya
4th Depot Division arrives at Osaka/Kyoto
5th Depot Division arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
6th Depot Division arrives at Kumamoto
51st Depot Division arrives at Utsonomiya
55th Depot Division arrives at Takamatsu
56th Depot Division arrives at Kurume
57th Depot Division arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori


Since these arrive when the Home Islands are invaded, shouldn't these be called the "Home Depot Divisions"?

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/15/2010 4:04:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

Japan invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Guards Depot Division arrives at Tokyo
2nd Depot Division arrives at Sendai
3rd Depot Division arrives at Nagoya
4th Depot Division arrives at Osaka/Kyoto
5th Depot Division arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
6th Depot Division arrives at Kumamoto
51st Depot Division arrives at Utsonomiya
55th Depot Division arrives at Takamatsu
56th Depot Division arrives at Kurume
57th Depot Division arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori


Since these arrive when the Home Islands are invaded, shouldn't these be called the "Home Depot Divisions"?


And they attack with 2x4's, hammers and screwdrivers no doubt.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 1:34:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

Japan invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Guards Depot Division arrives at Tokyo
2nd Depot Division arrives at Sendai
3rd Depot Division arrives at Nagoya
4th Depot Division arrives at Osaka/Kyoto
5th Depot Division arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
6th Depot Division arrives at Kumamoto
51st Depot Division arrives at Utsonomiya
55th Depot Division arrives at Takamatsu
56th Depot Division arrives at Kurume
57th Depot Division arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori


Since these arrive when the Home Islands are invaded, shouldn't these be called the "Home Depot Divisions"?


And they attack with 2x4's, hammers and screwdrivers no doubt.

That's why their morale is so Lowe.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 1:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bullwinkle, thanks for the test! You didn't need to paste a screenie of each division though; they look the same!

As far as PPs, every time I have played Japan, I find I have excess PPs starting in mid-1943 or so; by then you have earned enough to pull everyone from Manchuria you really want to. Especially by 1945, the Japanese should have plenty to buy all those depot divisions.

They suck at first, but the other thing is after 60 days or so, they should be OK brigade-sized units. (50-ish EXp, and better morale)

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 2:02:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Bullwinkle, thanks for the test! You didn't need to paste a screenie of each division though; they look the same!



I did it for the COs.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 3:16:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bjmorgan


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

Japan invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Guards Depot Division arrives at Tokyo
2nd Depot Division arrives at Sendai
3rd Depot Division arrives at Nagoya
4th Depot Division arrives at Osaka/Kyoto
5th Depot Division arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
6th Depot Division arrives at Kumamoto
51st Depot Division arrives at Utsonomiya
55th Depot Division arrives at Takamatsu
56th Depot Division arrives at Kurume
57th Depot Division arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori


Since these arrive when the Home Islands are invaded, shouldn't these be called the "Home Depot Divisions"?


And they attack with 2x4's, hammers and screwdrivers no doubt.

That's why their morale is so Lowe.

STOP! JUST STOP!

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 3:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been wondering for a while:

the japanese have some 'guard'units (i mean the regular ones, not the depot DIV listed in this thread). Their experience and morale is not higher, and in some cases, lower than other, regular army units. the 'guard'suffix seem to implicate a special/elite status.

I know the AE stats are well researched, so no doubt the game is right. So why were they called guards if there was nothing special about them?


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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 3:51:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Imperial Guards Division which fought with the 25 Army in Malaya through Singapore, was really just a mediocre division.  I believe they spent the remainder of the war as a garrison unit in Summatra.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 4:19:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

Been wondering for a while:

the japanese have some 'guard'units (i mean the regular ones, not the depot DIV listed in this thread). Their experience and morale is not higher, and in some cases, lower than other, regular army units. the 'guard'suffix seem to implicate a special/elite status.

I know the AE stats are well researched, so no doubt the game is right. So why were they called guards if there was nothing special about them?




They are called guards in the game because the Japanese called them guards

Seriously: The main task of the Imperial Guard was to guard the sacred life of the Emperor of Japan. They recruited their soldiers from all over Japan while other (regular) divisions only recruited in their respective divisional districts. But they were not exactly an elite formation and had many ceremonial duties.

The Imperial Guards Division (later 2nd Guards Division) that served in Malaya had no previous combat experience while other divisions (like the 5th Divisions) had served in China for years before being committed in Malaya. As a result, the combat performance of the Imperial Guards in Malaya was not as good as the performance of other, more experienced divisions.

The Guards Mixed Brigade (in December 1941 at Tokyo with 1st and 2nd Guards Regiments) had seen some action in China in 1940/41 and taken part in the invasion of Indochina but was withdrawn to Japan before to the Pacific War. This brigade was later expanded to form the 1st Guards Division but it stayed (as did the later-formed 3rd Guards Division) in Japan to protect the Emperor and garrison Tokyo (3rd Guards Division garrisoned Kyoto and guarded the imperial palace there).

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 11/16/2010 7:36:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could be mistaken but I always thought, in keeping with their ceremonial duties, there was a height requirement for recruitment to a Guards unit.

Alfred

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 12/4/2010 7:06:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting fact: Invading the Pescadores also triggers Japanese reinforcements.

I would guess that means Formosa does as well. Only a guess.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 12/5/2010 2:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		That island has an incorrect nationality code - it has been set to Japan Mainland.

Not sure what it should have. Bump the question upstairs.

BTW, Formosa wont activate the reinforcements

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--Japan - 12/5/2010 2:29:56 AM   
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Cuttlefish, I demand you march those guys into the ocean!

(Just kidding, of course. You play the hand you were dealt)

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