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USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/4/2010 4:40:28 AM   
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Hello,

I was wondering why in WitP there was no Naval Repair Yard in Manila, but in AE there was.

This must explain it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Dewey_(YFD-1)

That is some cool history for you.

More Pics and stuff:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/14/0701.htm

I already added it in for my WPO Scenario.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/11/2010 11:31:18 AM   
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Hmmm,

If that is a battleship in the Dry Dock...

Maybe the Repair Shipyard should be 40 instead of 20?

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/11/2010 12:00:00 PM   
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Not a battleship. It's "armoured cruiser no. 4" (hence "ACR-4" in the Wiki article) Pennsylvania, of less than 14,000 tons.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/11/2010 2:23:21 PM   
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Of course a Battleships of the same era would displace 18000-23000 tons or so. The Armored Cruisers were very much like mini-Battleships at the turn of the century, and were used as ships of the line just like Battleships.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/12/2010 8:36:31 AM   
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Hello,

Told you I wasn't lying. Battleship in the USS Dewey plus more!

http://www.navsource.org/archives/14/0701.htm

Shark7 is correct. These battleships were small.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/12/2010 12:43:54 PM   
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quote:

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Of course a Battleships of the same era would displace 18000-23000 tons or so. The Armored Cruisers were very much like mini-Battleships at the turn of the century, and were used as ships of the line just like Battleships.


Well, no kidding. Still not a battleship.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/12/2010 11:47:14 PM   
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Terminus,

USS Iowa (BB-4) is a battleship.

Just because it is an early one with lower tonnage than more modern ones, doesn't mean it is not.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/13/2010 12:37:44 AM   
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Well if you are wondering if the USS Dewey could service a battleship, here is a list of battleship classes which displace less than the ACR-4 Pennsylvania, and should be able to dock inside the Dewey:

Pre-Dreadnaughts:

Kearsarge Class 11,540 tons
Illinois Class 11,565 tons
Maine Class 12,500 tons
Mississippi Class 13,000 tons

Dreadnaughts:

South Carolina Class 16,000 tons (weighed more, but has a smaller beam and length than ACR-4)

So technically, you can dock a BB inside USS Dewey...they just need to be very old, very small ones.

Though I do wonder what her actual lift capacity would be (maximum).


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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/13/2010 1:05:39 AM   
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Shark7,

Excellent point.

I would love also to know the exact specs on this pretty cool Floating Dock.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/14/2010 4:28:22 PM   
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YFD-1, Dewey, was rated as able to 'lift' her displacement. Not bad for that day. I believe she is rated at 18,000 tons in DaBabes.


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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/14/2010 4:35:06 PM   
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YFD-1, Dewey, was rated as able to 'lift' her displacement. Not bad for that day. I believe she is rated at 18,000 tons in DaBabes.



Nice to know. So basically any ship that would fit dimension-wise and displaced less than 18k tons could dock for repair...meaning most of the pre-dreadnaughts.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/14/2010 6:12:47 PM   
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quote:

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YFD-1, Dewey, was rated as able to 'lift' her displacement. Not bad for that day. I believe she is rated at 18,000 tons in DaBabes.

Nice to know. So basically any ship that would fit dimension-wise and displaced less than 18k tons could dock for repair...meaning most of the pre-dreadnaughts.

No. Not really. You are thinking in mid-20th century terms. Dewey had little in the way of equipment infrastructure. These early floating docks were viewed as substitutes for gravers. They were neither capable of nor intended to perform battle damage repairs on capital tonnage vessels.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/15/2010 12:54:29 AM   
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quote:

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YFD-1, Dewey, was rated as able to 'lift' her displacement. Not bad for that day. I believe she is rated at 18,000 tons in DaBabes.

Nice to know. So basically any ship that would fit dimension-wise and displaced less than 18k tons could dock for repair...meaning most of the pre-dreadnaughts.

No. Not really. You are thinking in mid-20th century terms. Dewey had little in the way of equipment infrastructure. These early floating docks were viewed as substitutes for gravers. They were neither capable of nor intended to perform battle damage repairs on capital tonnage vessels.


So it would be more useful for scraping off barnacles and repainting the under-water part of the hull, with maybe patching some very minor damage?

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/15/2010 12:33:09 PM   
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So it would be more useful for scraping off barnacles and repainting the under-water part of the hull, with maybe patching some very minor damage?

Engine, prop and shaft damage; cofferdamming, some hull replating, probably minor frame damage; couldn't replace a bow, and couldn't do much with armor; and yep, scraping off the barnacles.

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RE: USS Dewey (YFD-1) - Manila with Naval Repair Yard - 11/15/2010 1:32:45 PM   
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To be fair, no dry dock could do all those things by themselves, they would have to have shore facilities and/or support ships. Even the largest dock, the Los Alamos (capable of lifting the New Jersey) could not do that work. You park an AR/AS/AD with them and they could do miracles.

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