Practical Question
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- Prince of Eckmühl
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Practical Question
First, a map that I've just started:
For those of you who may be curious, it's the Gulf of Salerno and surrounding land-mass.
I have a question for our readers, though.
I've rotated the map about 60 degrees so that more of it will be visible on a widescreen monitor (without scrolling).
Would you prefer the map laid on its side, like this, or would you prefer it running north/south?
If I go with the latter choice, about 40% of the 60k x 35k map will not be visible on a 1920x1200 monitor.
However, laid on its side, only about 10% is hidden.
Any preference, gentlemen?
For those of you who may be curious, it's the Gulf of Salerno and surrounding land-mass.
I have a question for our readers, though.
I've rotated the map about 60 degrees so that more of it will be visible on a widescreen monitor (without scrolling).
Would you prefer the map laid on its side, like this, or would you prefer it running north/south?
If I go with the latter choice, about 40% of the 60k x 35k map will not be visible on a 1920x1200 monitor.
However, laid on its side, only about 10% is hidden.
Any preference, gentlemen?
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Keep it the way you have done it...
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Another vote for 'keep it'.
edit: of course you realize that you'll have to do the entire Italian campaign with maps like that.
edit: of course you realize that you'll have to do the entire Italian campaign with maps like that.
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Thanks for your comments.
I'll attach an image of the map in SM, so you can see how dramatic the difference is with an elongated map:
Rotated more or less horizontally, I only lose about 7k. Left in the vertical, however, I'd lose about 25k.
Of course, someday, I'm going to catch hell for this from a user who hasn't quite thought things through..."THAT'S THE GULF OF SALERNO?"[&:]
Mark my words.[;)]
I'll attach an image of the map in SM, so you can see how dramatic the difference is with an elongated map:
Rotated more or less horizontally, I only lose about 7k. Left in the vertical, however, I'd lose about 25k.
Of course, someday, I'm going to catch hell for this from a user who hasn't quite thought things through..."THAT'S THE GULF OF SALERNO?"[&:]
Mark my words.[;)]
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ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz
edit: of course you realize that you'll have to do the entire Italian campaign with maps like that.
Yeah, I guess that's just the nature of the beast.
The peninsula runs roughly SE to NW, and the "front" will typically be perpendicular to the coast.
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I like attacking UP through the map rather than down, so your rotation works for me. However, I remeber a lot of Rome or Medieval: Total War maps were "distorted" (if that word has any meaning when trying to represent the globe on a flat surface) or rotated to get in certain countries, like India, given the hard coded map size limit. I felt it made navigating the map less intuitive, but considering how zoomed in the map is anyway i suppose it isn't an issue.
Just remember to put a North arrow or you're high school geography teacher will mark you down. Oh, a title, legend and scale!
PS. Ever played any of AGEOD's games? Like "Birth of America"? It has a full blown cartouche just off the playing area.
Just remember to put a North arrow or you're high school geography teacher will mark you down. Oh, a title, legend and scale!
PS. Ever played any of AGEOD's games? Like "Birth of America"? It has a full blown cartouche just off the playing area.
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ORIGINAL: Chief Rudiger
I like attacking UP through the map rather than down, so your rotation works for me. However, I remeber a lot of Rome or Medieval: Total War maps were "distorted" (if that word has any meaning when trying to represent the globe on a flat surface) or rotated to get in certain countries, like India, given the hard coded map size limit. I felt it made navigating the map less intuitive, but considering how zoomed in the map is anyway i suppose it isn't an issue.
Just remember to put a North arrow or you're high school geography teacher will mark you down. Oh, a title, legend and scale!
Plus one.
Rob. [:)]
So we're at war with the Russkies eh?? I suppose we really ought to invade or something. (Lonnnng pause while studying the map)
Hmmmm... big place ain't it??
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Hmmmm... big place ain't it??
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Well, several hours later a map emerges. Twenty-one-hundred square kilometers and fifteen altitude-layers later, it's ready for towns, roads, rivers, vegetation and labels:
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Is it possible to recreate beach landings using the est editor?
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There is no amphibious movement class yet. The best way I found was to bring the groups in by reinforcement with high cohesion loss and variable casualties. Check out Assault on the Sauer for an example of an amphibious landing.
Nice map POE!
Nice map POE!
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Care to post the map(s) you're working from? Are you working off one or multiple, and how closely?
I've taken to using a radar DEM for the elevation layers and then simple maps from books for the vegetation & human geography. For my Syria-Lebanon project I picked up a really nice 1950's Lebanon tourist guide map from a charity shop the other day which i'm thinking of using instead of the GSGS style maps i have right now - its just so much cleaner!
I've taken to using a radar DEM for the elevation layers and then simple maps from books for the vegetation & human geography. For my Syria-Lebanon project I picked up a really nice 1950's Lebanon tourist guide map from a charity shop the other day which i'm thinking of using instead of the GSGS style maps i have right now - its just so much cleaner!
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ORIGINAL: Chief Rudiger
Care to post the map(s) you're working from? Are you working off one or multiple, and how closely?
See below.
It might appear to be a google map, but its not. When you go to Google/Terrain/Contours, they will offer you an option/redirect to "Earth Tools". The hook is that it offers superior contour definition to those that you'll get in Google Maps. I'm very much open to the whole "radar thing," but its nice to have other items defined like rivers, towns and roads.
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Huh, simple! I like it.
Maybe we should get a sticky thread with these kinds of hints and tips - i know my browser likes to default these forums to "show only forum posts from the last 6 months" which can make a forum/game look dead. If something were stickied with lots of pictures it might advertise the fact that this game is moddable, and how you go about it, for those that skip manuals and then forget!
Maybe we should get a sticky thread with these kinds of hints and tips - i know my browser likes to default these forums to "show only forum posts from the last 6 months" which can make a forum/game look dead. If something were stickied with lots of pictures it might advertise the fact that this game is moddable, and how you go about it, for those that skip manuals and then forget!
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Well, the "beta-version" is pretty much complete. I'll add some orchards, tobacco fields and vineyards later on, but this is basically it:
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Ive been waiting long time to see this diamond polished.
And the shine is magical.
PoE - your keeping the crossbar very high for any map/scenario maker.
And the shine is magical.
PoE - your keeping the crossbar very high for any map/scenario maker.
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That marsh behind the beach looks like a double edged sword. Restricts exists but pervents being overrun by Tanks. Doesn't look like there's much cover on the beach though, so i know which side i'd want to be on!
Thought about putting some "Islands" in the water to represent warships? I haven't read much about Salerno but I imagine, like in Normandy, the Naval Bombardment must've been crucial to consolidation and the "Battle of the Build Up" even after you've got some big guns ashore.
Thought about putting some "Islands" in the water to represent warships? I haven't read much about Salerno but I imagine, like in Normandy, the Naval Bombardment must've been crucial to consolidation and the "Battle of the Build Up" even after you've got some big guns ashore.
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ORIGINAL: OlegHasky
Ive been waiting long time to see this diamond polished.
And the shine is magical.
PoE - your keeping the crossbar very high for any map/scenario maker.
Thank you for you comments, but you're being too kind.
I am but a humble/dedicated amateur, and that I shall evermore remain![;)]
Hey, though, OlegHasky, you ought to try your hand at this stuff.
I bet you'd do a terrific job.[8D]
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ORIGINAL: Chief Rudiger
That marsh behind the beach looks like a double edged sword. Restricts exists but pervents being overrun by Tanks. Doesn't look like there's much cover on the beach though, so i know which side i'd want to be on!
Thought about putting some "Islands" in the water to represent warships? I haven't read much about Salerno but I imagine, like in Normandy, the Naval Bombardment must've been crucial to consolidation and the "Battle of the Build Up" even after you've got some big guns ashore.
The marsh behind the beach isn't the only problem. There's a drainage canal that runs through it that can only be transited by vehicles at a proper crossing or bridge.
Salerno was actually an opposed landing, BTW.
The German defenses weren't heavy, but the Allies eschewed a pre-invasion bombardment thinking that they could surprise the defenders. It didn't work out that way. And several USA units were pretty much wrecked by the end of September 9th.
Later the British and US navies did intervene, and were key in defeating the several German battlegroups that were roaming around the center of the Allied position. And I believe that it was in the Gulf of Salerno that the Germans first successfully employed their "mistel" guided bombs against Allied ships in response to that same shelling.
We'll have to make our navy sinkable! [;)]
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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl
And I believe that it was in the Gulf of Salerno that the Germans first successfully employed their "mistel" guided bombs against Allied ships in response to that same shelling.
We'll have to make our navy sinkable! [;)]
Hi Moe
The "mistel" was in fact the "Fritz X" (radio) guided bomb, it was employed on Sicily first (mid 1943), with a notable following mission around September, where 6 Dornier 217, each armed with one "Fritz X", were tasked to take out the Italian capital ships (Battleships Roma and Italia), Roma was sunk and Italia damaged.
There's some German propaganda footage showing Luftwaffe bombing runs after the initial phase of the landings at Anzio (some US color film material shows some desperate Luftwaffe attempts, too), but I don't think that they had used Fritz bombs. During the Salerno operation, a cruiser got hit by a single "Fritz X", but the ship didn't sink. Other than that single run, I haven't come across info that would prove that more than this one Fritz was employed, but if so, the others had missed and just dropped into the sea.
In turn, the Mistel was a German "parasite airplane"-project, a setup where a bigger aircraft would carry a smaller aircraft (eg. interceptor or kamikaze plane).
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