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RE: Kevin VS Larry T14 - 10/27/2010 6:33:52 PM   
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Great AAR. I love seeing the Soviet player actually defend on these big Eastern monsters.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T14 - 10/27/2010 7:43:25 PM   
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Great AAR.

Well, thanks very much. What did you like most? I'll do more of that in the future. And what did you want to see that you didn't. I'll add that.

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I love seeing the Soviet player actually defend on these big Eastern monsters.

Me too !!! It makes the game more exciting. I'm having a ball with this and not just because it appears that I'm winning. It's actually too early to tell who is winning. Kevin is pulling back to save his units and pretty soon will amass a sizable mass of troops and will be able to build a respectable front line and then all this advancing stuff will come to a screeching halt. He will have enough troops to have reserves all over the place and I won't be able to gain but maybe a hex or two per turn. And then the mud season will come and he'll gain all kinds of strength and my dudes will make do on poor supply throu the winter and then there's the Soviet winter offensive to contend with etc. So it's not really a terribly dire situation yet. Just mearly dire.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T14 - 10/27/2010 7:54:13 PM   
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Hey you guys:  Somebody sent me an email wanting to ask some questions about TOAW ( being new to the game and everything ) and I said yeah fire away.  He asked a bunch of questions and I answered best I could and he said something about other people wanting to know this stuff too and suggested I publish it and I thought that might be a good idea so here it is below:

Q. One really stupid and basic question; what does the green, orange or red button mean when it is to the left of the icon but just outside the icon box?



A. It's the target density indicator.  Red is bad ( 2 X losses ).  The little red circle is indicating that you have stuffed so much equipment into one hex that you have created a "target rich environment" for your opponent.  He will get 2 X the results in any assault ( you will lose 2 X as much stuff ) . The yellow circle means it's packed so densly that your opponent will get 1.5 X the combat results. The game just leaves off the Green indicator..........I guess it's understood that when there's no indicator at all it's a good thing.

Q. [so]....I only use air from within the plan attack menu and not by directly sending planes to destinations.

A. Um.....once you have selected an aircraft you move your cursor over a potiential target and then left click and choose what kind of attack you want to use on the
target.  If it's an airfield "attack airfield" will be available on the pop-up menu.  So Yes, you can send an aircraft to a designated location.


Q. ...How do I target artillery that has a range seven spots away but no units that can reach to plan the attack?

A. Um.......Are you attacking something else with the arty unit?  If so selecting an arty unit and them moving the cursor to a potential target will change the cursor to "targeting" instead of the usual cursor and you will know that the arty unit can reach that target.  Otherwise the cursor doesn't indicate a possible target.    Are you trying to attack the arty unit?    I'm not sure I understand your question.

Q. Whoa. Huge misunderstanding on my part from what I thought I read. I thought it said to only use aircraft as support from in the plan attack menu. I thought it discouraged direct attacks because of losses. Is there some way to mix fighters with bombers in an attack group or is this simulated by simply having the air superiority set with fighters when you direct attack with a bomber?


A. Yes losses ARE higher with a direct attack with your aircraft.  So are the supply expenditures.  But direct aircraft attack is the only way to do bridge attacks and airfield attacks and sometimes you just really NEED the higher attacking strength ( direct attacks are 1 X your aircraft attack strength and just regular "combat support" ( indirect ) attacks are rendered at 0.5 X listed strength).

Q. So there are situations where the engineers are critical to fixing the bridges so you can move traffic?

A. Yep.  In the Autumn Fog scenario most of the blue lines are super rivers and NOTHING crosses those exept at bridges and with the aid of Engineers.  There's a scenario called "Overlord 44" with super rivers passing next to and through the city of Caen ( is that how you spell it ?) and so the British are persuaded to drop some airborne at both ends of the bridge at the start of the game, which is behind, far behind, enemy lines.  So they are in a big hurry to get inland and off the beaches just to save the airborne if for no other reason.

Q. Do I have to put the bomber on CS to make direct attacks?

A. The "combat support" setting of your aircraft is irrelevant when you're using it in direct attack.  If it WAS in "combat support" status when you assign it to an attack the status changes to "attacking .hex.XYZ" or something like that.  And Yes the losses setting DOES matter when the bomber is attacking.  Minimise losses means it just gives the minimal effort to do whatever mission you have it assigned to.  I've heard of players setting their bridge attack bombers on ignore losses before assigning the attack in the hope that it'll increase the effect but it really doesn't make a difference in that case.

And as for protecting the bombers with your fighters.......what you do is assign the fighter to attack the same hex ( or target ) that the bomber is sent to.  TOAW, this is my understanding, realizes that the fighter is going to the same hex and uses them as escort fighters instead of hitting the ground target whatever it was.  This is what I do and it seems to work okie dokie.

Q. Is my strategy [as the Allied player in Mortain 44 ] assumption right based on the facts so far; defense, dig in, prepare for reinforcements to save my very weak forces; direct attack searching for enemy tanks? I'm also aiming my artillery at [ enemy units ] but not going on offense.

A. Yeah that's what I'd do.  Except maybe direct attacking tanks with the apropriate aircraft.  Some planes are better at tank-busters than others.  Like your heavy bombers......they would be almost useless against tanks.  While your fighter/bombers ( P-47 ) have a higher AT strength and if they aren't on AS duty then yeah, use 'em to bust specific tank units.  And by "aiming my artillery at enemy units"  I assume you mean you're bringing your arty units into range to direct attack enemy units with them.  That's cool but target the right target.  Arty is almost useless in direct attacks against tanks.  They have a much higher AP strength and could raise havoc against my foot-mobile units.  Or you know, those units that are mostly "soft" targets.  Against tanks you need a unit with a high AT strength.  Like your hunter-killer anti-tank units and other tanks etc.  Some of the infantry units have organic AT guns and might be used against tanks also.

Also, during the first Gulf War the Marines used to run their SP guns into range of an enemy arty unit and pound the hell out of it for about a full minute and then move back south to safety before the enemy counter-arty fire would arrive at their firing position.  They called it an "arty raid".  I'm thinking the same thing, sortof might be done in TOAW also.  But the thing is that you have to have way more arty targeting the enemy than the enemy has.  In other words, you wouldn't want to target an enemy arty park with say, 200 tubes, with one lone arty unit has only a dozen tubes.  You'd get slaughtered on the counter-fire that way.





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Kevin VS Larry T15 - 10/28/2010 3:30:43 AM   
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Hey You Guys:

I'm throu with my turn 15 moves and you can find the AAR for it here: 

http://www.mediafire.com/file/r3a55c9z1t49i98/AAR%20for%20turn%2015.zip

Kevin has been helping me drop his bridges in the rivers. Here's a shot near "Veli Luki"




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T15 - 10/29/2010 12:29:48 AM   
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Here's the link location for the turn 16 AAR:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/cepah5z6yof557a/AAR%20for%20turn%2016.zip

Stay tuned .......I'm going to edit this post to include some kind of picture real soon now.  Say about an hour.  I gotta go.

EDIT: I put together a picture showing the details of the Odessa battle. It's kind of confusing since we're not used to seeing this kind of thing.




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T15 - 10/29/2010 3:49:58 AM   
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At least you can get my front lines and Moscow in the same picture now. It looks like Smolensk is ready for picking off the low hanging branches for some reason. I guess Kevin didn't feel it was worth defending because of all the losses that would result. ??




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T14 - 10/29/2010 6:42:37 AM   
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For the first time in the game I have a coherent front. For me, the biggest limiting factor has been rail capacity. Moving widely separated units into their correct formations. But by now I have built up some reserves. The question is whether it's too late.

Larry has some decision to make now. Which directions and objectives? Does he go south to attack east of Kiev, as Guderian was ordered to do? Will probably bag units, but will it be worth the time? How about the South?

stay tuned.

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Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/29/2010 3:58:16 PM   
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I'm through with my Axis turn 17 moves.  You can find the AAR here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/e94sl8c1a52i2iq/AAR%20for%20turn%2017.zip

I'm going to edit this post to include some really cool picture of something.  Oh, and I captured Smolensk.

EDIT: included the mini-movie showing turns 14 throu 17




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T14 - 10/29/2010 4:00:06 PM   
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Hey you guys:  Somebody sent me an email wanting to ask some questions about TOAW ( being new to the game and everything ) and I said yeah fire away.  He asked a bunch of questions and I answered best I could and he said something about other people wanting to know this stuff too and suggested I publish it and I thought that might be a good idea so here it is below:


Larry,

I'd suggest that this be 'published' by itself, perferably out in the open with it's own title. You'd probably get more people interested in it that way, eh?


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RE: Kevin VS Larry T14 - 10/29/2010 4:14:16 PM   
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Larry,
I'd suggest that this be 'published' by itself, perferably out in the open with it's own title. You'd probably get more people interested in it that way, eh?

You mean start a new thread somewhere else like in the main "lobby" of the forum? Hey what a good idea. I'll do it asap.

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Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/29/2010 7:30:02 PM   
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Here's a shot of the Leningrad area. I'm zoomed out so as not to give away valuable intell to my opponent.




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/30/2010 12:49:11 AM   
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For those of you who wanted a chart of what kind of aircraft each of the Soviet squadrons has I put together a little something so I thought I'd share it with you guys. I'm going to try to keep track of where the Soviet fighters and bombers are so I can judge whether or not to attack in certain areas. To know whether or not the 4th CA is bombers or fighters I needed a chart like this. The playback sometimes says which Soviet unit is moving so I can sometimes get good intell from the playback.




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/30/2010 3:41:49 AM   
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so um......Hey you guy:  I've put together a new different version of the turn 17 AAR.  Somebody take a look at it and tell me which one you like better: old, or new.

You can find the new version of turn 17's AAR here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/83jh7711jp0hgq9/new%20version%20of%20turn%2017%20AAR.zip

Here's what the first page looks like:




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/30/2010 10:12:21 AM   
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Hey Larry thank you for the chart over the Soviet VVS.

Would you mind to make this for the complete VVS via the Editor? YOu possibile may also add an information when the unit arrives!

Best regards Pionier!

BTW: You doubbeld from the IL-4 till 74. FA the counter =)

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/30/2010 12:52:55 PM   
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Hey Larry thank you for the chart over the Soviet VVS.

You're welcome. Someday I'll do that for the entire order of battle. LOL.

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BTW: You doubbeld from the IL-4 till 74. FA the counter =)

You mean the 73rd something something. Yeah, well, it's a bonus. I hope the values are the same. I have no idea how that happened. I may have to get around to fixing that someday.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T17 - 10/30/2010 1:22:53 PM   
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Well it was more the entire aircraft counter, would only double your list =)

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T18 - 10/30/2010 4:01:18 PM   
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So um............I'm through with my Axis turn 18 moves and published the AAR for it here:

http://www.fileshost.com/download.php?id=07866BBE1

I'm going to edit this post later to show some kind of picture.

EDIT: I couldn't find a suitable picture. Maybe next time.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T19 - 10/31/2010 6:28:26 PM   
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So um......I'm through with my Axis turn 19 moves and published the AAR for it here:

[urlhttp://www.mediafire.com/file/w2mvjzbk4x6dpi4/FITE%20game%201%20turn%2019%20AAR.zip[/url]

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T19 - 11/1/2010 5:34:18 AM   
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Hmmmmmmm........uh.....I finished the Axis turn 20 moves and published the AAR here:


http://www.mediafire.com/file/twp5hr7jsaot5g8/FITE%20game%201%20turn%2020%20AAR.zip

Here's my forces assaulting across the river north of Kiev. Everybody is holding their breath.




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T19 - 11/1/2010 7:37:09 AM   
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Hey guys:

Here's all the important rail lines on the FITE map [except those for Germany.....hee hee]:




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Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/1/2010 10:27:58 AM   
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Here's the Axis rail system for turn 21 where the green lines are functioning rail lines and you can see where the green lines stop abruptly in the middle where two partisans have cut my supply lines. Again.





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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/1/2010 2:45:26 PM   
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Here's the Axis rail system for turn 21 where the green lines are functioning rail lines and you can see where the green lines stop abruptly in the middle where two partisans have cut my supply lines. Again.

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You are doing tremendously better than historical.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/1/2010 7:17:14 PM   
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You are doing tremendously better than historical.

That's predominately Kevin's fault. He keeps pulling his troops back when I outflank him. Which is often here early in the game. Without a functioning substantial front line you're kind of handicapped. But I think Kevin is doing a really good job protecting his troops. And what's really cool is that I'm not sure but maybe we demonstrated ( again ) that the forward defense doesn't work all that well unless it's done correctly. And that's really hard to do. I'm pretty sure I don't know how to do it. I'm pretty sure I've never seen anybody do it yet. Kevin tried and everything but.....

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/2/2010 2:21:58 AM   
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I finished my Axis turn 21 moves and published the AAR for it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g5cz1rrfb741xfw/FITE%20game%201%20turn%2021%20AAR.zip

Here's a picture of the Kiev area as it is right now. I've expanded the bulge a little bit and next turn I expect maybe I'll expand it some more.




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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/2/2010 4:19:37 AM   
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Funny thing about those bridges north of Kiev. There were none. No bridges until you get to Gomel. Just ferries.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T22 - 11/3/2010 11:10:18 AM   
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I finally finished my moves for turn 22 and published the AAR here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/crk8yp59tnad7hc/FITE%20game%201%20turn%2022%20AAR.zip

Here's a smaller version of the front lines picture I show in the AAR.




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Kevin VS Larry T23 - 11/4/2010 2:34:50 AM   
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I finished my Axis turn 23 moves and published the AAR for it here:

[urlhttp://www.mediafire.com/file/394oibid9t9v8ue/FITE%20game%201%20turn%2023%20AAR.zip[/url]

I'm going to edit this post later to include a cool picture of some kind. Mean while I made another
one of those main massive movies. This one is turns 16 through 23 and is about 20MBytes big. You can find
it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/xygw353alxljdqa/main%20massive%20moves%20turns%2016%20-23.zip


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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/4/2010 7:01:10 PM   
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Funny thing about those bridges north of Kiev. There were none. No bridges until you get to Gomel. Just ferries.


This map data from 1941 /44 shows something different.



Source

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/4/2010 7:36:52 PM   
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Desna and Dnepr are two vastly different rivers. Dnepr has one bridge till you get to the road between Gomel and Rechitsa. I think there is one about 100km north of Kiev. There is a railroad bridge a little farther north for certain but I think it might have been made during the war. In any event there is nothing but ferries for the Dnepr. If you ever saw it you would understand why.

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RE: Kevin VS Larry T21 - 11/4/2010 7:47:34 PM   
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Here ist the Dnepr Brigde

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/eastern_europe/txu-oclc-6519747-nm36-1.jpg

Of course i can just refer to what I found.

regards

You are absolutly sure there was none?

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