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RE: 9-15-42 - 4/1/2011 12:42:27 AM   
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Looks like the fuel is moving north...but my resources flowed to Singers...may be because the southern army plus alot of shipping is located at singers for future amphib operations...
Port Arthur is empty because I have been loading it out.

So fuel did move..a mixed bag of results.


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RE: Advanced tojo - 4/2/2011 9:45:53 AM   
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You had 999 refineries turned off in post #385. And it seems, that Japan is short 5000 fuel per day(post #414. 9405 produced/against 14990 need), at the Scenario beginning, so there is not enough refineries in Japan to keep running all industry. You have to transport fuel. At least 5585 per day, only for running industry(well, part of it is in Manchuria/China/Formosa), not including fleet.



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RE: resources flow - 4/2/2011 2:29:55 PM   
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I pulled up tracker to see the effect of the PA road. Inquisitor, note how Honshu dropes fuel by 9000 on turn 291.




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RE: resources flow - 4/2/2011 2:31:31 PM   
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RE: resources flow - 4/2/2011 2:32:27 PM   
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central china-shanghai:
note how the fuel increases about every 5 days...




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RE: resources flow - 4/2/2011 2:34:07 PM   
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Indochina: note agains the 5 day interval between fuel increases.
Also seems alot of resources are hanging around this area.




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RE: resources flow - 4/2/2011 2:35:57 PM   
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Mayla...resources are starting to overwhelm me...




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RE: resources flow - 4/3/2011 11:02:47 PM   
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Thank you bigred

I think that it proves quite certainly that Singapore-Port Arthur road is not a myth, although it seems that it is quite tricky, cause it sends fuel in one direction (north) and resources in the opposite (south).

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RE: resources flow - 4/4/2011 3:23:29 AM   
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Turn 293 w/ all HI turned back on at honshu... convoy tfs from south set to refuel in SRA ay mo\inimal settings.

I do suspect once I move some troop transports north puttin more ships in PA will help the resource situation move north.




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RE: resources flow - 4/4/2011 3:53:04 AM   
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Turn 293 w/ all HI turned back on at honshu... convoy tfs from south set to refuel in SRA w/ minimal settings.

I do suspect once I move some troop transports north putting more ships in PA will help the resource situation move north.

I read somewhere the location of the Southern Army has an effect of resource flow. So w/ Southern Army HQ located at Singers I will test HQ location to see effect on resource flow. From a pure tactical location I like singers for obvious reasons.






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RE: A6M5 - 4/5/2011 3:53:54 AM   
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The R/D on a6m5 is one of the events in jap production I have made arrangements ..with 3 factories at 30 each and the a6m5 due in 3 turns I plan to change the R/D to a6m8.  I will let the 100 plane faci;ity upgrade produce the a5.




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RE: A6M5 - 4/7/2011 4:02:43 AM   
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I have played this game for years, how to get plans to show up so early, and how to change a rd factory to another without taking a hit?

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RE: A6M5 - 4/7/2011 5:24:26 AM   
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I have played this game for years, how to get plans to show up so early, and how to change a rd factory to another without taking a hit?

1. Find a small factory (1 or 2 value) R/D somewthing useless.
2. switch it to the a6m2 and wait for the conversion is complete(cost 1000 supply per point)
3. Then increase the small a6m2 factory to 30(at a cost of 100 supply per point).
4. Then switch the factory from production of the a6m2 t R/D of the next plane in the tree--a6m5, remember to turn of production.
5. Wait till the research is at max(one or 2 turns before the R/D plants start top produce, then switch the R/D factory to the next plane(a6m5b) in the RA70 senario.
6. With this method I figure to have the m8 producing by 6/43. Would have been earlier but I am still learning..
Thanks to Damian. So My favorite quote from Damian.
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I wonder who had the mind to create this frame/engine program?


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Tracker engine screen (actually most of the production stuff ) - I created it ... Do you not like it ?


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Of course I like it. I am amazed at the complexity.


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RE: IJ production mistakes - 4/7/2011 5:41:45 AM   
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how far does it work? just one ahead, or can you walk through the upgrade path?

Walk through ... makes R&D for distant models more accessible(read easier to get early),as long as they're along the upgrade path and the initial factories are fully repaired.

If stock (not this game Big Red is playing);
I'd R&D A6M3's until repaired then switch these up to A6M5b/c's (not sure the M8 is better) and probably try to get these a year or more early. Similar with the later Oscars and a few other models that come to mind.

Anyway, anything that I want to R&D that is along the upgrade path, I wouldn't start with the plane factory I want to R&D; I'd build the model that is nearest to the current game date (and is maybe already available), then upgrade these fully repaired factories to fully repaired R&D status...

Obviously with start-up models, you still need to R&D that first model before you can continue.

Nice!

As this will only have its full effect in late 43 to mid 44, it shouldn't matter that much if the opponent agrees. In Mid 44, the allies should still be superior even if there are 1945 planes on Jap side.


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RE: A6M5 - 4/7/2011 7:45:52 AM   
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reminds me why Iīve got a hr in every PBEM about keeping R&D somewhat realistic

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RE: Oil pull - 4/7/2011 4:22:41 PM   
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Looks like Cam Rhan Bay and PA are the big winners from the chian road being open...
Shangha and Fusan have minimal increases.





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RE: Oil pull - 4/7/2011 4:24:09 PM   
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RE: Oil pull - 4/7/2011 4:25:32 PM   
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Shanghai: after a complete pulldown of oil shanghai will not refill...




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RE: A6M5 - 4/7/2011 4:30:33 PM   
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reminds me why Iīve got a hr in every PBEM about keeping R&D somewhat realistic

I respect your mild put down of Increased IJ efficencies. I have not seen an end game of AE or WitP but I understand the japs will get crushed, so what is the harm? As I play japan hope springs eternal w/ the new entry of upgraded planes early...and as I understand the future of the IJ in AE I suspect hope is all I will have.

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RE: A6M5 - 4/7/2011 5:32:08 PM   
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reminds me why Iīve got a hr in every PBEM about keeping R&D somewhat realistic

I respect your mild put down of Increased IJ efficencies. I have not seen an end game of AE or WitP but I understand the japs will get crushed, so what is the harm? As I play japan hope springs eternal w/ the new entry of upgraded planes early...and as I understand the future of the IJ in AE I suspect hope is all I will have.



if you are able to produce the A6M8 in 6/43 (two years early?) then I guess you would also be able to produce things like the Shinden sometime in mid 43 and this would come down to never get crushed as the Japanese because if you field unlimited high end fighters in 43 that face historical Allied fighters (and their historical replacement rates) then you win high time as the Japanese, no matter what the Allied is doing as a P-40K wonīt be a match for a Shinden or even better IJ stuff.

Not going any deeper into this stuff as it is just too far away of anything a sane PBEM is going to be, thatīs just something that ends early IMO and all I can say is to each his own.

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RE: A6M5 - 4/7/2011 11:08:31 PM   
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if you are able to produce the A6M8 in 6/43 (two years early?)

Tracker indicates the A6M8 arrives normal @ 8/43. I may get it into production by 4/43, but I must research the A6M5b first. I could go direct research on a6m8 but the m5b is next version on the tree.

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then I guess you would also be able to produce things like the Shinden sometime in mid 43 and this would come down to never get crushed

The shinden arrives normal on 12/45. It has no family of previous fighters to help research so it is from scratch. I did not realize the shinden is the "be all answer" to IJ air superiority.

My thoughts on the end game air war is I really like the look of the a7m3j w/ a gun rating of 30. This frame also has no family tree. so maybe it will arrive about 6/44 instead of 2/45 if I dedicate 3 30 point factories to research...





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RE: A6M5 - 4/8/2011 7:35:04 AM   
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The A6M8 of REAL LIFE was the last Zero model and IIRC the first one flew sometime between beginning - mid 45 while it never went into production. So either you are confusing something here, tracker is wrong or the game is wrong.

This fighter is an END WAR fighter just like the Shinden, so if you are able to produce it in mid 43 then I again can only say "to each his own" but that got nothing to do with reality and your opponent could well mod the Nimitz into the game to show up in early 42.

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RE: A6M5 - 4/8/2011 7:52:59 AM   
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A6M8c (Navy Type 0 Carrier Fighter Model 54c)
engine: 1x Mitsubishi Kinsei Model 62 engine [1,340hp at 6,890ft]
w/ 3-bladed constant speed Sumitomo propeller
speed: 356mph at 19,685ft
climb rate: 6min50sec to 19,685ft
ceiling: 36,745ft
fuel: 610liter internal + 2x 350liter underwing drop tanks
range:
weight: 4,750lb (empty), 6,945lb (loaded)
armament: 2x 13.2mm Type 3 machine guns, 2x 20mm Type 99 Model 2 Mark 4 cannon w/125rpg, 1x 550lb or 1,100lb bombs, 2x 132lb bombs
number built: 2 prototypes only
notes: first flown 25 May 1945


A6M8 (Navy Type 0 Carrier Fighter Model 64)
engine: 1x Mitsubishi Kinsei Model 62 engine [1,560hp at take-off, 1,340hp at 6,890ft, 1,180hp at 19,030ft] w/ 3-bladed constant speed Sumitomo propeller
speed: 356mph at 19,685ft
climb rate: 6min50sec to 19,685ft [26,240ft? 3,140ft/min - Green]
ceiling: 37,075ft
fuel: 610liter internal + 2x 350liter under-wing drop tanks
range:
weight: 4,740lb (empty), 6,945lb (loaded)
armament: 2x 13.2mm Type 3 machine guns, 2x 20mm Type 99 Model 2 Mark 4 cannon w/125rpg, 1x 550lb or 1,100lb bombs, 2x 132lb bombs
number built: 2 prototypes only
notes: first flown 25 May 1945, production version of A6M8c, 6,300 to be built by Mitsubishi and Nakajima, none completed



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RE: A6M5 - 4/8/2011 8:06:53 AM   
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Castror, bigred is playing a mod, not any official scenario... 

RA scenario commentary:
This scenario assumes, that with Yamamoto assuming the position of the Aeronautics Department's head in 1936 and becoming the Naval Minister later, he intensifies Japanese naval aviation development a bit, and attempts to optimize the utilization of limited engineering and production resourses. Chief engineers of aircraft design teams are given slightly greater input in formulating development directions and cooperation between various aircraft manufacturers is assumed to be somewhat improved.

In particular, the concept of dedicated land-based interceptor is abandoned and the Mitshubishi fighter design team under Jiro Horikoshi remains free to concentrate all of its efforts on modifying A6M and creating its successor A7M.


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RE: A6M5 - 4/8/2011 12:11:07 PM   
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Castror, bigred is playing a mod, not any official scenario... 

RA scenario commentary:
This scenario assumes, that with Yamamoto assuming the position of the Aeronautics Department's head in 1936 and becoming the Naval Minister later, he intensifies Japanese naval aviation development a bit, and attempts to optimize the utilization of limited engineering and production resourses. Chief engineers of aircraft design teams are given slightly greater input in formulating development directions and cooperation between various aircraft manufacturers is assumed to be somewhat improved.

In particular, the concept of dedicated land-based interceptor is abandoned and the Mitshubishi fighter design team under Jiro Horikoshi remains free to concentrate all of its efforts on modifying A6M and creating its successor A7M.




well, that explains it then. Mods of course can give any player any aircraft at any date the creator wishes too. It could also give you a Nimitz CV in 42. I didnīt know it is a fantasy mod as the thread title only says "IJ production mistakes" and I dared not to read up 15 pages. Excuse

edit: fantasy mod in terms of not historical, I donīt want to piss someone off if he getīs it wrong.

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Today I tested to see if the a6m2 factory would convert to a6m5.  So here is a look at my origianl a6m2 factory.




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RE: a6m2 - 4/10/2011 9:41:42 PM   
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And here we have the conversion to a6m5 at no cost to the factory.  I just clicked the a6m5 button on the left.




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RE: a6m2 - 4/10/2011 9:47:22 PM   
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edit: fantasy mod in terms of not historical, I donīt want to piss someone off if he getīs it wrong.


Its ok, castor. We realy are just having fun!!! Be advised even w/ these advanced carrier planes whenever I go against land based CAP I still get creamed and take heavy loses.

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RE: A6M5 - 4/10/2011 10:27:07 PM   
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if you are able to produce the A6M8 in 6/43 (two years early?) then I guess you would also be able to produce things like the Shinden sometime in mid 43 and this would come down to never get crushed as the Japanese because if you field unlimited high end fighters in 43 that face historical Allied fighters (and their historical replacement rates) then you win high time as the Japanese, no matter what the Allied is doing as a P-40K wonīt be a match for a Shinden or even better IJ stuff.

An interesting (in its utter insanity) jump of logic from accelerating A6M8 by two months, to accelerating Shinden by 2.5 years you have here, but fortunately it has nothing to do with Scen 70.

As a side note (not for you castor, because you clearly believe that it is Allies' unalienable right to not only win the war a year earlier without taking major risks in 1942 for it, but to also not have any difficulties in the proccess, so arguing with you is pointless), getting A6M8 if not on 8/43 (when it becomes available in Scen 70), then around 12/43 is not hard in stock. Research A6M3 with 100+ facilities, then switch them to every successive model. People usually don't do it either because they don't want to piss their opponents off, or because A6M8 kind of blows (only marginally better than A6M5 and with poor range), so they don't care. Seriously, we felt necessary to boost A6M8's stats in Scen 70, compared to what it is given in stock, so that people won't wonder why its earlier appearance is supposed to matter, like, at all.


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RE: A6M5 - 4/11/2011 6:49:59 AM   
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if you are able to produce the A6M8 in 6/43 (two years early?) then I guess you would also be able to produce things like the Shinden sometime in mid 43 and this would come down to never get crushed as the Japanese because if you field unlimited high end fighters in 43 that face historical Allied fighters (and their historical replacement rates) then you win high time as the Japanese, no matter what the Allied is doing as a P-40K wonīt be a match for a Shinden or even better IJ stuff.

An interesting (in its utter insanity) jump of logic from accelerating A6M8 by two months, to accelerating Shinden by 2.5 years you have here, but fortunately it has nothing to do with Scen 70.

As a side note (not for you castor, because you clearly believe that it is Allies' unalienable right to not only win the war a year earlier without taking major risks in 1942 for it, but to also not have any difficulties in the proccess, so arguing with you is pointless), getting A6M8 if not on 8/43 (when it becomes available in Scen 70), then around 12/43 is not hard in stock. Research A6M3 with 100+ facilities, then switch them to every successive model. People usually don't do it either because they don't want to piss their opponents off, or because A6M8 kind of blows (only marginally better than A6M5 and with poor range), so they don't care. Seriously, we felt necessary to boost A6M8's stats in Scen 70, compared to what it is given in stock, so that people won't wonder why its earlier appearance is supposed to matter, like, at all.




if you havenīt read my further comments then it definately is pointless to argue with you but with 2 A6M8 produced in real life in mid 45 and having them being produced in mid 43 would be 2 years early. Not to talk about the real life possibility for the Allied to win the war a year earlier probably being higher than seeing the Japanese pump out hundreds of A6M8 in mid 43. Both is problematic IMO, but like Iīve said, any mod can give you any aircraft, ship, tank, starship at any date the mod creator wishes to and if the players are happy with it then itīs perfect for both sides. Iīm fine with that and my comment about the availability date was nothing but based on real life and a historical scenario, like it would be if someone said Yamato had 12 main guns (which isnīt something I just made up but something Iīve even seen in a small scenario mod during WITP times, being a typo or deliberately I donīt know). Just like in WITP, the abilities for the Japanese to even win the war in a PBEM or doing far better than real life surely are higher than those of the Allied to succesfully land in Japan in mid 44 so I wonder where "Allies' unalienable right to not only win the war a year earlier without taking major risks in 1942" comes from but thatīs just putting this thread into another direction.

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