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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 12:51:12 PM   
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That looks better,- can you share your little mod?

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 1:15:03 PM   
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As usual!
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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 8:16:14 PM   
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I am thinking about to scale down a bit faces...

personally i think it would look just fine if just the first face showed and none more showed unless it was a different type, its kind of repetitive

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 9:19:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc von Martial

Tastes are different. It would be pretty boring if all games suit all people ;)
Vic and me are pretty pleased with the outcome.

That being said. This game is fully and very easy modable. This was a design goal.
The unit artwork is a layered system. Consisting of background landscape, unit / equipment picture, soldier picture and front landscape. All easily accessible.
Basically, if you wanted to get rid of the single soldier faces all you would need to do is to replace them by a blank transparent PNG.




Nice work Marc‘n Vic, you know how long I’ve been riding Matrix to let you guys to unleash your talents .


Well done…………..


PS/LOL, you ever notice how Art never matters to war gamers till it shows talent

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 10:20:58 PM   
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I had a question on the unit icons. Do they appear as this if you choose them too, if so I really like the look.





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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 11:08:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LRRP

I had a question on the unit icons. Do they appear as this if you choose them too, if so I really like the look.



yes, there are three zoom levels......this is the closest one.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/30/2010 9:17:54 AM   
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You have to toggle them on by pressing 1.  If you press 2, they change to NATO icons.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/30/2010 3:19:57 PM   
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I'm not dedicated enough to mod the whole game, but just playing around with the graphics files it's real easy to edit/replace almost every image in the game.  I took out the faces that were annoying me and put 'historical flags' in their place...

Hmmm.... I can't figure out how to post the screenshot.  Anyone?  I'm sure I've done this in the past lol

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/30/2010 3:31:36 PM   
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Ah - here we go. No faces, just flags, but it can be any image you choose...






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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/30/2010 4:57:44 PM   
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Just to show how easily these images can be modded, here's some more stuff I've done for my personal use. I used images from Volcano's mod for the HPS series, so I can't share this work unfortunately, but I'm sure some real modders will be creating new content.






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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/30/2010 4:59:17 PM   
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If anyone has some alternative infantry images they can send me, I'd appreciate that.  I've been searching the net all afternoon.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/30/2010 7:03:47 PM   
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Smaller flags... Going to stop messing with the pics and start playing the game now!




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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/31/2010 1:42:28 AM   
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I love the artwork except for the faces of the soldiers staring out right at me


Lol! Not too bad actually... The faces in Squad Battles are horrendous. But I still love that game and play PBEM every night.


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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/31/2010 6:05:38 PM   
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Oh, I do love the game.  Just looking forward to some minor artwork tweaks :)

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/31/2010 10:08:38 PM   
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probably a dumb question but here goes ... does the background imagery reflect the terrain the unit is in?

It appears to ... but what do I know. (i.e., grassy plains only show grass, urban shows buildings, woods show trees, etc etc)

This game looks interesting ... I downloaded Advance Tactics Demo a year or so ago ... I didn't buy it but I may this one.


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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/31/2010 11:36:28 PM   
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I also give this Artwork and Graphics a big thumbs up... really tempted to grab this one, though I wish it was 'later war'

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/1/2010 1:09:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hank

probably a dumb question but here goes ... does the background imagery reflect the terrain the unit is in?

It appears to ... but what do I know. (i.e., grassy plains only show grass, urban shows buildings, woods show trees, etc etc)

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Yes the background shows terrain the unit is current in.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/1/2010 2:28:34 PM   
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Thanks ... that's a good thing.

If this tittle is developed further, the attacks on Poland and France is a perfect starting point. Personally, I would like to see subsequent titles be released in chronological order ... with possibly a method to link the campaigns into a full WWII series. It would be fun to play through 1939 to 1945 .... through the North Africa campaigns, Barbarossa, Stalingrad, Kursk, Italy, Normandy, ... etc etc

temptations temptations

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/1/2010 3:24:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hank

Thanks ... that's a good thing.

If this tittle is developed further, the attacks on Poland and France is a perfect starting point. Personally, I would like to see subsequent titles be released in chronological order ... with possibly a method to link the campaigns into a full WWII series. It would be fun to play through 1939 to 1945 .... through the North Africa campaigns, Barbarossa, Stalingrad, Kursk, Italy, Normandy, ... etc etc

temptations temptations


That makes excellent sense! I'd enjoy that as well.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/1/2010 3:25:50 PM   
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I also give this Artwork and Graphics a big thumbs up... really tempted to grab this one, though I wish it was 'later war'


Buy it. You won't regret it. This is coming from a guy who is never 100% happy with any of the games sold here!

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 3:23:47 AM   
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Just sa this and love the maps but the unit pics seem too cartoonish or bland. Could they be replaced with blanc and white photos?

I too thought the same.....realistic or even real WWII shots would have been better. I noticed Paradox does this with their HOI3/Semper wargame.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 3:25:28 AM   
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Guys, these are not cartoons. Art is certainly subjective, but these were hand drawn by Nicolas Eskubi, one of the best wargame/boardgame artists around who we commissioned for this task. Here are some of his credits:

MMP Staff Artist.
Winner CSR Awards for Best Wargame Graphics:
Fire in the Sky (2005)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Battle Above the Clouds (2009)
Websites:
http://social.consimworld.com/profile/NicolasEskubi


Well still not a fan of the Infantry.....IMHO.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 3:32:36 AM   
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I too thought the same.....realistic or even real WWII shots would have been better. I noticed Paradox does this with their HOI3/Semper wargame.


In my opinion, colorful hand drawn is better. The board game industry was revitalized with these pretty looking drawings as opposed to traditional tank schematics and infantry silouettes during the classic board game era. Why not do it in computer games?

As for HOI, they did that to fool the regular gamer into thinking the game is historical while it's not. But it's all wrong. hehe.




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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 4:20:46 AM   
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besides some artwork tweaks, id like someone to make some sounds tweaks as well. some of the arty and combat sounds are weak and could use a more "heavy" sound to it.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 2:23:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ETF
I too thought the same.....realistic or even real WWII shots would have been better. I noticed Paradox does this with their HOI3/Semper wargame.


In my opinion, colorful hand drawn is better. The board game industry was revitalized with these pretty looking drawings as opposed to traditional tank schematics and infantry silouettes during the classic board game era. Why not do it in computer games?




I agree. I must say I was a little surprised with the drawings, guess it had to sink in first because *then* you realise; hey, this is something new and fresh, beautiful artwork, easily recognizeable units. Yes nothing wrong with good old black and white pictures, maybe even coloured ones from propaganda magazines, nothing wrong with that... but you gotta admire this new approach.
Me, I really love the pictures by now.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 3:18:35 PM   
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I especially enjoy the artwork of the vehicles and artillery

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/3/2010 4:19:57 PM   
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These are meant to be basically like the kind of art you see on a great board wargame - ASL or something similar.

Here's a larger pic as an example:







Right. art work. I like them much better than realistic photos which just look out of place in a game that is mostly art.
They are very well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/5/2010 7:18:27 PM   
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I too thought the same.....realistic or even real WWII shots would have been better. I noticed Paradox does this with their HOI3/Semper wargame.


In my opinion, colorful hand drawn is better. The board game industry was revitalized with these pretty looking drawings as opposed to traditional tank schematics and infantry silouettes during the classic board game era. Why not do it in computer games?

As for HOI, they did that to fool the regular gamer into thinking the game is historical while it's not. But it's all wrong. hehe.




haha.
Seriously though
HOI3 with semper fi and HUMAN opponents is the best grand strategic WWII wargame I have ever seen, board or otherwise in 30 years of gaming. I put it up there with WitpAe as my top two wargames. Mind you the later is more opertaional than strategic. I will have to try this one out. Just not sure about this old style of IGO UGO. I thought the higher end wargames have gone to WEGO.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/5/2010 7:33:33 PM   
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Tastes differ.

Having said that, let me cast my vote. I find Nicolas' artwork fantastic. Best artwork I have seen in a 2D game since Ageods American Civil War.


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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 9/5/2010 8:00:26 PM   
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i think the artwork is fantastic

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