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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 5/31/2010 12:15:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Someone mentioned modern warfare... well at least do Middle East or Korea if you want history.
It would work like the Shrapnel games but this game engine is definitely more polished that what they have now.



No one has mentioned the Pacific War!
But of course this entails new combat doctrines like Night Infiltration, Banzai, cave networks, jungle warfare. Very interesting.

But these are better as stand-alone games.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 5/31/2010 12:15:43 AM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 5/31/2010 2:44:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would go with the HTTR and COTA upgrade for a very reasonable price for those that purchased BFTB. I don't yet own BFTB [will buy if it runs on my computer] but have HTTR. I read that the work is almost done, so with the surprise to everyone on the price of BFTB and the general negative reaction to it, i think getting something out quick and reasonablely priced is good PR. Perception is reality.

After that, Stalingrad interests me. I see a whole map of city blocks and wild urban battles and alot of o sh*t moments. Don't know if the engine can do that or not, but i drool anyway.

P.S. is Yakstock still around, BFTB Yakstock AAR would be great, sold me on HTTR.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 5/31/2010 4:47:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am aware this game has no hexes, but I need to use the word “hexes’” to get my point across.

When a wargamer looks at a map, he sees counters and hexes.

In scenario 1, we are told that each hex represents 100 meters and each unit represents a company.

In scenario 2, we are told that each hex represents a kilometre and each unit represents a battalion.

As wargamers the different scales work OK because it’s a question of using the imagination. And yet the map and counters look much the same.

My suggestion then, is to make a full Market Garden scenario. The map covers the whole area from the start line of XXX Corps to that German held airfield just north of Arnhem.

The smallest unit on the map would be battalion but the game looks and plays just the same as it does now.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 5/31/2010 8:24:57 AM   
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I'm wary of another east Front game, there are so many out there, but from the posts it just might be a financial inevitability.

Normandy scenarios, Operation Varsity  Both use the Air landing routines as well as normal ground forces.

Africa, Kasserine, Bizerte, Founouk, Mareth, Medenine, Keren, Agordat as well as the better known battles.

Sicily & Italy

Sth East Asia & Pacific.

There are just so many potential scenarios & small campaigns




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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 5/31/2010 9:12:05 AM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 10:40:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eastern front gets my vote. There are so many engagements to choose from here, we would have a wealth of scenarios to pick from, bot official and community made. I drool at the mere thought of this engine married to the east front. :)

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 11:20:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think two titles for the East Front should cover it. One wit a Russian Combat Doctirne and German Combat Doctirne for the first two years say of the war the other with two different combat doctrines for the second half of the conflict.

Once this is do then with the map maker and est editor the East Front can be covered by us the customers with no need for a further East Front game.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 12:54:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The desert would be nice, Tobruk, Syrian campaign The COTA OOB would be a start with battles.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 1:28:19 PM   
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I own both HTTR and COTA, but decided not to buy BFTB right back when it was announced because (i) I much prefer playing campaigns to individual battles, and so didn't get much play out of COTA, and (ii) I never want to play another Bulge/Normandy game ever again . So, I'd like to see a campaign - which could just be a large scale, multi-day, complete operation (would love to see the invasion of Crete or Market Garden done that way), and also something other than Bulge/Normandy.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 2:08:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin

I think two titles for the East Front should cover it. One wit a Russian Combat Doctirne and German Combat Doctirne for the first two years say of the war the other with two different combat doctrines for the second half of the conflict.

Once this is do then with the map maker and est editor the East Front can be covered by us the customers with no need for a further East Front game.


Precisely. +1

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 4:28:19 PM   
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I own both HTTR and COTA, but decided not to buy BFTB right back when it was announced because (i) I much prefer playing campaigns to individual battles, and so didn't get much play out of COTA, and (ii) I never want to play another Bulge/Normandy game ever again . So, I'd like to see a campaign - which could just be a large scale, multi-day, complete operation (would love to see the invasion of Crete or Market Garden done that way), and also something other than Bulge/Normandy.



As Ive posted several times already. Campaigns are out. We do not have the CPU power to impliment them...you would be shocked on how much power you'd need...infact for the foreseable future even its out.

So no matter how much we asked for it technology states we can't have it. It's not acse of it being written off for any other reason.

Quantum PC's anyone??

Something that has been discussed and is possible is for reinforcements for units...this would mean we could have scenarios going on for a few weeks even.



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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 5:54:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin

As Ive posted several times already. Campaigns are out. We do not have the CPU power to impliment them...you would be shocked on how much power you'd need...infact for the foreseable future even its out.



I wasn't thinking of campaigns on the company level (or whatever the game engine's lowest level is - I haven't played COTA in a while), but perhaps at battalion level or higher to reduce unit count and therefore computer processing demands, which would allow a "grand operational" level of simulation.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 8:13:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing that's true whether the next is East Front, West Front, or even Pacific is that the '42-'43 period saw both sides launching offensives. Having a period with plenty of offensive operations allows more interesting scenarios from playing both sides' perspectives. Having all-defensive scenarios for one side or the other would be a drag.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 9:05:49 PM   
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No Normandy or Sicily please, as those are rather bland from Axis pov, and for Pacific theatre we got WitP already.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/1/2010 11:07:45 PM   
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This is a tough one......

I really like the idea of both the HTTR and COTA expansion packs over the short to mid-term followed by another major release down the road. The obvious danger with this approach though is that we could all want another set of HTTR, COTA and now BFTB expansion packs to allow for all the fantastic new features of that recent major release to be retrofitted to all the earlier scenarios from the (now) previous 3 games. An interesting (and potentially costly) cycle to be sure. I'm not sure how this could be addressed. Some form of subscription perhaps?? No expansion packs until a certain threshhold of pre-orders is reached?? Frankly, I don't know.......maybe somebody else on the forums does.

Having said that -- I will certainly purchase any expansion packs for HTTR and/or COTA that are made available as a result of the improvements made in BFTB if that is decided as being the next step or two.

As for the next major release topic-- I'd prefer the Eastern Front with this new fangled "doctrinal" modelling incorporated (along with all my requests in the features thread of course).

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/2/2010 2:00:04 PM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/2/2010 3:31:11 PM   
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I'd love one covering the Battle for Narvik, spring 1940. :)


Already covered...user made scenarios for CotA.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/4/2010 2:00:29 PM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/4/2010 5:34:05 PM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/7/2010 8:51:59 PM   
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Yes... there is only one front that really interests me and that is the Eastern Front.... the reasons have been rehearsed many a time by other fans of the East.... but my vote, if I had one;).... would be Go East.... !

Great engine.... but needs to show its stuff in open spaces of the East.... :)

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/7/2010 11:13:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arimus

I think you should take advantage of the interest generated by the HBO miniseries "The Pacific" and release a game based on the battles of Guadalcanal, Peleliu, and Okinawa. The extra features developed to cover the beach landings and off-map artillery could then be used for a Normandy game and campaigns in Italy.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/7/2010 11:34:38 PM   
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With the Pacific islands, you land a counter on a beach and they would be toe to toe with the enemy.

No room for movement.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/7/2010 11:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd love to see the eastern front, and my suggestion would be the approaches to Leningrad. There is a really good Vance Von Borries boardgame design called Roads to Leningrad, focusing on the Soltsy and Staraya Russia battles in '41. I think focusing on these battles would be a great subject. And this same area could be used for more scenarios or an expansion for battles later in the war. Even better, these particular battles are rarely covered in wargames.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/8/2010 2:16:59 AM   
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The game engine is at its best in wide open spaces.

With the Pacific islands, you land a counter on a beach and they would be toe to toe with the enemy.

No room for movement.

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I agree.....The pacific is a good idea but how it will play is another story at this level. I feel the Pacific is best playes at the squad\platoon level

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/8/2010 5:41:20 PM   
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Low unit density (in most cases), lots of mobile warfare, both sides get to attack and defend, relative parity. It's a good candidate.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/13/2010 10:28:18 AM   
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Hi,

Although The Battle of the Bulge is my favourite Western battle from WWII I am eager to see the engine go east.

An Eastern Front expansion pack with Estabs for late ’44 to fit with those for the Germans already in BftB would be great. With just a very few maps and few scenarios. They could be taken from the Battle for East Prussia.

You could less it for $20 or such... just an add-on to give Eastern Front fans their fix.

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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/13/2010 10:32:25 AM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/13/2010 11:02:21 AM   
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RE: Future Directions - Data Content - 6/13/2010 11:28:08 AM   
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Just a quick add on to my Eastern Front expansion wish.... may be Hungary early ’45...where 6th Panzer Army went after the Ardennes. But some expansion that uses the existing German Estabs.

All the best,
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