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Infantry Costs - 5/13/2010 8:09:12 PM   
gunny3013


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Status: offline 		I know that infantry units cost each turn unless placed in a city or fort.
Q: Does an infantry unit in a "container" in a city of fort cost?

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/13/2010 9:44:41 PM   
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Status: online 		Be very careful about placing container units into cities or forts.  If you lose a battle in a province where you have done this the city is automatically captured when the friendly units retreat after combat.  This causes the city to change hands immediately and without a siege since it seems like the retreating container unit pulls the brigades out of garrison when it has to retreat and takes them along for the ride.  The now ungarrisoned city is then picked off at turn's end.  Once lost Cincinnatti to the AI this way and while it really sucked, it drove home the message "DO NOT garrison cities with container units of any size".  I would assume the same applies to forts but have not tried it out.

Am unsure if this is working as designed but it actually makes some sense when you look at from a chain-of-command standpoint and the relationship between State troops who (generally) provided the garrisons and those of the field forces under Federal command and represented by the container units.

I know this happens with container units in cities but am fairly sure that there are no maintenance costs incurred as per the manual. 

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/22/2010 4:19:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was under the impression it was exactly the opposite. You must capture both the region around the city and the city itself in separate combats if the city is garrisoned.

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/22/2010 8:34:14 AM   
gunny3013


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Status: offline 		Guys! Common, ya got off topic. I never have issues using containers to garrison cities or forts. They defend very well and never retreat.
As for my original question, I ask because the manual ONLY covers no maintenance cost for infantry units but states nothing for containers and I don't seem to see any difference.

Can you help?
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Joey

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/22/2010 7:08:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be honest, my memory of this isn't 100% clear, but I believe that they don't cost supply, if in a "container" in a city or fort. But you can check this easily enough by paying attention to which unit(s) are in this situation and checking the "supply" tab's report to see if any supply went their way. Perhaps set the container to high supply and see what happened.

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/22/2010 10:33:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought a fort actually functioned as a container. But like you I am going to need to go look it up before being 100% sure.

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/23/2010 2:23:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, forts are containers, but my recollection is that there are containers and there are containers.

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/23/2010 1:47:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know you can't walk away from that statement without clarifying it.

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/24/2010 12:22:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL !!!  Now I'm really Wrapped around the axle. Thanks guys. 

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RE: Infantry Costs - 5/25/2010 3:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

You know you can't walk away from that statement without clarifying it.

MR




Well, some containers move around a lot, and are abstract: armies, corps, divisions. Others are unable to move, and are located at a specific point on the map: cities, forts. It is my recollection -- and again, it's been a few years since I've had to think about this -- that if you put one of the first types of container into one of the second types then supply will be "free." I could be wrong about this, but as I pointed out, it should be easy enough to test by looking at the supply report that one gets by clicking on the "Supply" tab.


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