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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 10:50:00 PM   
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how rapidly can troops move by rail to reinforce breakthrough areas or trouble areas? ie can the ai pull in troops to an area to help? or can you?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 10:52:51 PM   
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1st PzA advances with hard fighting...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 11:18:42 PM   
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Heres a level 4 zoom of the front... I haven't completed the south, north or rear yet. I just thought I keep you up on events...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 11:33:16 PM   
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Any idea why the AI isn't attacking those single Panzer regiments next to Voronezh with the pile of Tank Corps right next to them?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 11:46:34 PM   
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First all I hope they do, second there behind a river and third I have a good Corps commander that can fling any of these support units into the battle...The AI cheats in that it sees past the FoW and even into support unit locations...Heres a ss of the HQ, notice the 17th LW Flak...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 11:47:55 PM   
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Heres the 17th LW Flak...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 11:51:49 PM   
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And heres what that Regiment in question looks like...Hope that answers your question...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/25/2010 11:59:47 PM   
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Hi PyleDriver... Could you please explain what this tanks symbol stands for?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 12:05:25 AM   
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Joel just answered that in the "New screenshot" post...

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 12:31:29 AM   
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Heres the 17th LW Flak...





Did the Luftwaffe Flak Regiments really deploy the 10.5cm Flak in the field? I thought thiose guns were relatively immobile, and primarily used in a static role?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 12:59:31 AM   
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Brad and others PLEASE post general questions on Q&A, your like a commerical during a good movie. And then post a ss of an ss, please take them to Q&A. Questions like Comrade had were about this game, not general questions others could answer for me...Sorry for sounding rough, but it takes a hell of alot of effort to get in the flow of the game and post ss's, and then have interruptions that take me back to basics...I will post alot of neet stuff as we go, like stratigic rail movement, soooo please think about the question and where to post it...

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 1:16:55 AM   
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quote:

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soooo please think about the question and where to post it...

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Do you have an app for that ?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 1:20:03 AM   
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First all I hope they do, second there behind a river and third I have a good Corps commander that can fling any of these support units into the battle...


OK, that makes sense. I was just a bit surprised that what seems to be 4 Tank Corps, or 4 Corps at the least didn't attack a single Panzer regiment.

Looking at the screenshots again, it seems the AI is parking some air groups/HQ's very close to the frontline and some in the rear. That doesn't make a lot of sense judged solely by the screenshots, but there's probably a good reason for it.

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 1:44:07 AM   
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Comrade you have to remember they just moved there on their turn 1 (not enough mp's to attack), they may just chose to attack on their turn 2...Lets see...I still hope they do, look closer at the defence I set up there, Voronezh has plus defence factors (murder), so if the even dislodge the regiment in question can they cross? How open will they be to a counter attack if they do?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 4:15:50 AM   
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Brad and others PLEASE post general questions on Q&A, your like a commerical during a good movie. And then post a ss of an ss, please take them to Q&A. Questions like Comrade had were about this game, not general questions others could answer for me...Sorry for sounding rough, but it takes a hell of alot of effort to get in the flow of the game and post ss's, and then have interruptions that take me back to basics...I will post alot of neet stuff as we go, like stratigic rail movement, soooo please think about the question and where to post it...

Thanks
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My apologies....

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 1:22:32 PM   
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Did the Luftwaffe Flak Regiments really deploy the 10.5cm Flak in the field? I thought thiose guns were relatively immobile, and primarily used in a static role?


That does look weird; I'll check it out.

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 2:51:03 PM   
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My apologies....



Me too, no more questions from me....

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 3:22:37 PM   
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Comrade you have to remember they just moved there on their turn 1 (not enough mp's to attack), they may just chose to attack on their turn 2...Lets see...I still hope they do, look closer at the defence I set up there, Voronezh has plus defence factors (murder), so if the even dislodge the regiment in question can they cross? How open will they be to a counter attack if they do?


Some of the air groups/HQ's very close to the front didn't move in the first Soviet turn, or possibly they are different ones in the same position as the others.

Looking closer at the map, I see that you have a Panzer division and two regiments in between two rivers, so if those stack of tank corps could bump you out of the hex, you'd be attacking across a river too. On the other hand, those Tank Corps seem to be seriously understrength, as their stacks have an attack value of 3 and 5.

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That does look weird; I'll check it out.


As the LW regiment is independent, and not part of a combat unit (and thus not always at the frontline), it could be using 105mm FlaK guns for semi-static security like at airfields, although it had about the same performance as the 88mm.

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 4:43:30 PM   
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ComradeP - your knowledge and insight are a great boon to this forum.   Thanks. 

Imagine the defensive impact of more than 60 88's and 105's on a still fairly early war Soviet armoured assault - that's gotta be a lot of smoking T34's, especially as they will have to attack across the river!




I they do come at you PyleDriver, is there any way you capture the combat results as a SS for us?  I haven't seen one yet either here, or on Elmo's great AAR, and I'd love to know what detail (and FOW) you get after each battle.

Thanks for the report - it's great to get another so soon after Elmo's devastating blizzard wars!!

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 5:20:44 PM   
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At this time in the war, a Soviet Tank Corps consists of just over 5600 men and 100 tanks. In July they will start to upgrade to 7800 men and 162 tanks. At the moment they aren't very powerful. Not to mention that their morale and experience is very low still. I was just reading the first of the Stalingrad trilogy that starts with a small story about the leader of the Soviet 5th Tank Army in July and how that Army with it's new Tank Corps was cut off and chewed up by two German Panzer Divisions.

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 5:21:23 PM   
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Well things heated up in the Rostov area. The Soviets launched attacks to slow my efforts. Manstien and his 11th army are being called up to take over the job. His orders, take Rostov...Heres a ss of the 2 Corps (6 divisions) I plan to rail transport to the Rostov area...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 5:27:19 PM   
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Units move via rail by "SP" stratigic points. They get 100, however it takes 30 to board the units...Heres a quick ss...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 5:33:43 PM   
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Heres the newly arrived LIV Corps via rail...This is occuring while battles rage to secure the east bank of the Mius River...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 5:39:47 PM   
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Had to show the firepower Hansen's Corp brings with him...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 6:25:03 PM   
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Is that an above average amount of attached artillery?

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 7:05:03 PM   
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You bet it is! Look at the Korps picture just below it....

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 7:09:27 PM   
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Thanks for the compliment von Jaeger. 88mm or 105mm FlaK guns would indeed be a pretty nasty surprise for a Soviet armoured formation. However, heavy FlaK guns, although powerful, are sitting ducks and clearly visible on flat/clear terrain, so if the Soviets bring artillery to the party, the Germans better have some prepared positions to hide those guns in as they're big targets.

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At this time in the war, a Soviet Tank Corps consists of just over 5600 men and 100 tanks. In July they will start to upgrade to 7800 men and 162 tanks. At the moment they aren't very powerful. Not to mention that their morale and experience is very low still. I was just reading the first of the Stalingrad trilogy that starts with a small story about the leader of the Soviet 5th Tank Army in July and how that Army with it's new Tank Corps was cut off and chewed up by two German Panzer Divisions.


Still, there seem to be 4 of them, and the only tanks that Panzer regiment has that have a credible chance of defeating a T-34 at medium to long range are the handful of Panzer IVf2's. It isn't clear which version of the Panzer IIIj the regiment has in service. Of course, depending on the units that the AI used to form the brigade, it's possible only about one brigade in each Corps actually has T-34's or KV1's.

A further note on FlaK: keep in mind that this is an operational/strategic level game, it really doesn't matter much if the FlaK can't be easily moved with 1 week turns. Besides, the regular 88mm FlaK isn't exactly mobile either.

I have two OOB/game questions based on the screenshots PyleDriver posted, but I'll post those in the Q&A thread.

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Is that an above average amount of attached artillery?


That's 6 to 7 regiments worth of artillery, that's a lot by German standards but (for comparison) pretty normal by Western Allied standards and not too exceptional for the Soviets.

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You bet it is! Look at the Korps picture just below it....


And look at the infantry divisions in previous screenshots, it has 2.5 infantry divisions worth of artillery, although it's heavier. Now compare it to XXIV Panzer Corps. Of course, LIV Corps has some very heavy guns, but the total amount of guns is not too high.

Edit: I just noticed XXIV Panzer Corps is operating more units than it can handle without penalties according to what was posted earlier in the new screenshot thread. What penalties are there for 1 extra "point"?

Edit 2#: I believe Joel mentioned earlier that HQ's could send a maximum of 6 support units to help out in combat in non-urban hexes, so a lot of that artillery isn't going to help out in combat. It seems keeping artillery regiments intact and not splitting them up is the best way of putting the hurt on the enemy, as 6 regiments will usually bring more guns to bear on the enemy than 6 battalions.

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 8:04:17 PM   
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Well the LIV Corps just leveled Sevastopol and is bringing it with them. I already spread the artillery around to other Corps. Ah but the heavy artillery is going to be used on Rostov...I have 3 of these...




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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 8:04:37 PM   
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Regarding the SS of the Pz Korps is there a list of subordinate Divisions as well as Korps troops.If not any chance of adding it as it would be very helpfull to see what it is controlling.

Looks a fantastic game-can`t wait. Roll on beta testing.....

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RE: OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR - 3/26/2010 9:08:06 PM   
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The Soviet gains were retaken near Rostov. Hell's VII Corps will come under Manstien's command next week. With the 6 new divisions, and the added artilery, then with Manstien at the reins, Rostov will be in or hands soon...




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