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American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 9:37:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why are American Airborne Divs so small, They have only 168 infantry squads while normal triangle divisions have 270 infantry squads ? Is it Accurate ?
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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 9:56:40 PM   
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Why are American Airborne Divs so small, They have only 168 infantry squads while normal triangle divisions have 270 infantry squads ? Is it Accurate ?

Maybe you could look at the 10/15/42 Airborn Division TOE and the 07/15/43 Infantry Division TOE and tell us. You want to look at T/O 7-11, 7-31 and 7-51. Good luck.

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:02:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have any Toe for American Airborne Divisions ? English ?

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:03:10 PM   
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Why are American Airborne Divs so small, They have only 168 infantry squads while normal triangle divisions have 270 infantry squads ? Is it Accurate ?


It's correct American Air Divisions haved only half the strength of a regular American Inf. Division.
i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Airborne_Division_%28United_States%29#Formation

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok where th other American Airborne Divisions also half strength ?

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:14:38 PM   
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Ok where th other American Airborne Divisions also half strength ?

Not the 101 and the 82nd to my knowledge. I believe both had 3 para and 1 glider rgt.

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:25:39 PM   
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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:31:43 PM   
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Ok where th other American Airborne Divisions also half strength ?

Because thay had attachments of Para Regts and/or Glider Regts, and different numbers of them at different times, and most ETO Para Divisions were unique. Thats why i asked you to look at T/O 7-11, 7-31 and 7-51 too. You have to look at a specific Para Division OOB for every operation.

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 10:53:02 PM   
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-divisions had far smaller artillery, a-t and transport components
-divisions had an engineer company, infantry divs had a battalion
-battalions had fewer troops vs. a regular infantry battalion (approximately 500-550 to 900 for airborne vs. infantry)
-battalions had no organic heavy weapons company
-companies were smaller (~120 vs. 190)

Sure there are other differences that explain it as well.

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/17/2010 11:35:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Guys you learn something new every day. Another question Was it only USA that used such a small TOE for Airborne Divisions ?

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/18/2010 1:03:41 AM   
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A bit more on US Airborne TOEs.

All the US Airborne divisions were originally organized at half the size of a traditional infantry division -- 8,500 men in total, with the fighting strength concentrated in one parachute (2000 men) and two glider (1600 men, each) regiments. By comparison, a traditional infantry division had about 15,000 men, and 3 regiments of 3000 men each.

The 11th Airborne Division kept this TOE throughout the war.

The Airborne Divisions in the ETO were reorganized in 1944, and increased in size by 50% (TOE strength 13,000).

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/18/2010 3:59:56 PM   
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Thanks Guys you learn something new every day. Another question Was it only USA that used such a small TOE for Airborne Divisions ?


Used to have a link to a site that had an extensive list of TOEs for divisions based on type and date. Can't seem to find it. From what I remember all ww2 airborne divisions were smaller than their infantry counterparts due to the lack of organic transport and much smaller a-t, aaa and artillery outfits.

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RE: American Airborne Div Size - 3/20/2010 7:19:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both the 82d and 101st were para-heavy for Normandy. Two quick searches found the TOE of the 101st and a nice paper on airborne TOE througout the war:


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Y1ZPMG9ZeTcJ:orbat.com/site/us2002/files/6/USParachuteInfantryinWorldWarII.pdf+toe+airborne+normandy+82d&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgIMt727m-cQqpQye_3UKZ37ws_e0zQsfbLwsHEBy0nXcSF7SbKZZTYuAfrAC2AIAQDwATWUjWyL7wVejMT1Plkyk60KygD3DvFBJlDC7UpKwCWzlSnCFS1UTQdUqW-tR04j1nK&sig=AHIEtbT2s8rYFqWCJ_uhbW87eTCnuYd9Rw

http://www.spearhead1944.com/amerpg/amer101.htm



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