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Civ 5 - 2/19/2010 9:54:56 PM

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I just noticed Firaxis announced Civ 5 is under development and scheduled for release in the fall. At first glance the big changes appear to be a change to a hex based map and ranged weapons. Not a lot of details, but a few screen shots.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/19/2010 10:02:48 PM

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yeah, Xmas came early this year

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/19/2010 10:53:56 PM

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Yeah!!!.. Loved all the Civ's!!!

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/19/2010 10:57:49 PM

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If history repeats, it will suffer from many bugs which will go for ages without fixes, and when they are fixed, the package will be worse than it was before.

And of course, every time a new gimmick is added, it will be re-packaged as a whole new game just to milk it for another 6x worth. People just never learn...

I can't say I'm quite that exstatic, knowing Firaxis' reputation down this line many times now...

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/19/2010 11:27:00 PM

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If history repeats, it will suffer from many bugs which will go for ages without fixes, and when they are fixed, the package will be worse than it was before.

And of course, every time a new gimmick is added, it will be re-packaged as a whole new game just to milk it for another 6x worth.� People just never learn...

I can't say I'm quite that exstatic, knowing Firaxis' reputation down this line many times now...

I understand your point, but that isn't the case with the Civilization franchise. They've been very solid products. I've owned them all. The only thing I could never really get used to is the imbalance of units. I mean really... an archer should not be able to take down a tank regardless of experience. But other then that, they're all very good games.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/19/2010 11:39:15 PM

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I never played I.. but got years of enjoyment out of II, III and IV.... only one that sucked, I thought was Colonization..

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 1:27:16 AM

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I finally got burnt out on the Civilization series with Civ IV. I just can't see what they can add anymore to make the game really worth buying out of the chute once again. I'm pretty happy with Civ IV and Civ II now but after playing 100's of games of it I just get a little sick to my stomach just thinking about starting over and following the same progression again an again an again as I have in the past. Civ II still holds my interest most because of the talking council members. I suppose Civ V will be great for newcomers to the series that are just turning 10-12 years old and like graphics and stuff that's new vs stuff that's old and great.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 1:39:25 AM

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... an archer should not be able to take down a tank regardless of experience. But other then that, they're all very good games.

I'm sure that happened in Avatar

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 10:01:50 AM

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I never played I.. but got years of enjoyment out of II, III and IV.... only one that sucked, I thought was Colonization..

Oddly enough, the original Colonization was my favourite of the lot although the magic had certainly gone with the remake. Guess that was inevitable, 'Pirates' was just the same.

I suppose I'll end up buying V just to take a look, but this time I'll wait until they've released the inevitable expansions (or, more likely, the dreaded DLC these days), and the whole lot is available in one box, cheap. It might well be worth more than 'cheap', but a lot will depend on the 'been there, done that' factor, or relative lack of it.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 10:08:11 AM

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 10:13:09 AM

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The original Colonization was my favorite, too, Hertston. Unless you include Master of Magic, which is my all-time favorite.

DLC?! I certainly hope not! I was planning on pre-ordering Civ5, but if it's going to include DLC I may wait a year or two for the inevitable compilation pack.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 10:29:00 AM

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DLC?! I certainly hope not! I was planning on pre-ordering Civ5, but if it's going to include DLC I may wait a year or two for the inevitable compilation pack.

No idea if it will or not. Just pessimism on my part as that seems to be the trend, these days.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 11:38:27 AM

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Thanks for the heads up..... thats christmas sorted.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 12:37:16 PM

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Oh this might be a glorious year. The Civ serious is one of those rare series that just won't let go of a player. Like SPWAW, WITP and a couple other games, Civ games have never left my computers. Can't wait.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 1:48:16 PM

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Same here. Got em all.

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Oh this might be a glorious year. The Civ serious is one of those rare series that just won't let go of a player. Like SPWAW, WITP and a couple other games, Civ games have never left my computers. Can't wait.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 7:39:39 PM

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I see that they've moved to hex based maps, and will have "much more detailed combat". But that's the problem. The Civ Series never really had any good combat at all -- especially in the early game turns, when hundreds of years would pass by -- and nobody is really sure of the scale of the game itself. Ideally, what they would do is scrap the whole combat system, and just evolve something similar to Western Civilization Games Forge of Freedom and Crown of Glory -- you move containers around on the map, and then play a to scale battle on a random hex map.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 10:54:50 PM

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I will get this game. However, when is Sid Meir come up something new! Every game he deleveops seems to be an offshoot of the Civilisation series.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 11:47:57 PM

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Much of the same really. I have bought most versions 1,3, and 4. I'm a bit impulsive when comes to games though. I'm never really sure if you should be paying a whole new price for mostly just prettier looking versions, in my opinion not a lot of improvement AI wise from 1 to 4, or at least if u put it in dollar terms close to $a250 when you include add ons etc

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/20/2010 11:48:15 PM

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Every game he deleveops seems to be an offshoot of the Civilisation series.

Hmm...
Sid Meier's Railroad Tycoon
Sid Meier's Pirates
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sid Meier's Silent Service (i loved SSII, the documentation was rather like a book than a manual, massive thing)
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Sid Meier's Sim Golf
Sid Meier's Gunship
Sid Meier's F-15 Strike Eagle
Sid Meier's Gettysburg
Sid Meier's Antietam
Sid Meier's Red Storm Rising.... and other games,

but yes, he put his teeth in the Civ series, for sure. Maybe 'coz it's the most successful brand he has.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 3:06:45 AM

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If it ain't go Sid M its not the REAL thing. I will give it a look however slim the chance it will be on par with Sid M, but I doubt it

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 3:09:31 AM

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yeah but I might be willing to give it a shot maby if Sid M designed it but he qould never allow a game of his to be published by this company. I agree with you about Firaxis as a company.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 4:59:56 AM

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Ideally, what they would do is scrap the whole combat system, and just evolve something similar to Western Civilization Games Forge of Freedom and Crown of Glory -- you move containers around on the map, and then play a to scale battle on a random hex map.

Much like they did Master of Magic and made it the great game that it is. Since there is no magic in Civilization I guess a simple tactical game wouldn't do as it would be much like it already is. Run two units together and let god sort them out who wins. Civ is already a long drawn out game though I can only imagine how long it would take to play a game out with turn based tactical battles. Now using something like the Mad Minute combat engine would definitely spark my eyes towards it, but, not the Total War combat engine because that ai is just a plain brain fart of an ai.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 8:01:35 AM

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killroyishere

do you want to do everyone a favour and adjust your sig? It's downright bad taste to name specific people in your derogatory sig. They are not trolls (no more so than anyone else who has little digs, yourself included) and by the mere fact that you have named them in your sig makes every single post of yours a troll post!

I'm not telling you to do it. I have no authority here and I am not a mod, but in light of the normally excellent behaviour of the many people we have on these boards, I think you should.

Someone else I knew

did the same thing and he had to change it - I don't see why the system will be changed for yourself...do you?

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 8:30:45 AM

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If it ain't go Sid M its not the REAL thing. I will give it a look however slim the chance it will be on par with Sid M, but I doubt it

I don't think he's actually designed anything himself since Gettysburg, has he? Sid didn't even do Civ 2 himself, let alone 3 and 4. So does it really matter what the name on the box is?

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 10:16:32 AM

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quote:

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Every game he deleveops seems to be an offshoot of the Civilisation series.

Hmm...
Sid Meier's Railroad Tycoon
Sid Meier's Pirates
Sid Meier's Civilization
Sid Meier's Silent Service (i loved SSII, the documentation was rather like a book than a manual, massive thing)
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Sid Meier's Sim Golf
Sid Meier's Gunship
Sid Meier's F-15 Strike Eagle
Sid Meier's Gettysburg
Sid Meier's Antietam
Sid Meier's Red Storm Rising.... and other games,

but yes, he put his teeth in the Civ series, for sure. Maybe 'coz it's the most successful brand he has.

I can not recall any game that Firaxis has done in that past three years that does not use the Civ engine (I can not comment on Pirates because I never played it).

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 12:06:25 PM

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killroyishere

do you want to do everyone a favour and adjust your sig? It's downright bad taste to name specific people in your derogatory sig. They are not trolls (no more so than anyone else who has little digs, yourself included) and by the mere fact that you have named them in your sig makes every single post of yours a troll post!

I'm not telling you to do it. I have no authority here and I am not a mod, but in light of the normally excellent behaviour of the many people we have on these boards, I think you should.

Someone else I knew did the same thing and he had to change it - I don't see why the system will be changed for yourself...do you?

Let's see now what did the above post have to do with the topic? And what does the definition of troll say? Do I need to add yet another name to my sig?

You see how "you" threw the whole topic off topic? Well, a troll wouldn't of course.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 12:12:45 PM

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Same here. Got em all.

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Oh this might be a glorious year. The Civ serious is one of those rare series that just won't let go of a player. Like SPWAW, WITP and a couple other games, Civ games have never left my computers. Can't wait.

Have played them all since Civ I but only Civ IV/BTS remains on the hard drive.

One of the most addictive games for my simple gaming skills.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 12:56:27 PM

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killroyishere

do you want to do everyone a favour and adjust your sig? It's downright bad taste to name specific people in your derogatory sig. They are not trolls (no more so than anyone else who has little digs, yourself included) and by the mere fact that you have named them in your sig makes every single post of yours a troll post!

I'm not telling you to do it. I have no authority here and I am not a mod, but in light of the normally excellent behaviour of the many people we have on these boards, I think you should.

Someone else I knew did the same thing and he had to change it - I don't see why the system will be changed for yourself...do you?

Let's see now what did the above post have to do with the topic? And what does the definition of troll say? Do I need to add yet another name to my sig? You see how "you" threw the whole topic off topic? Well, a troll wouldn't of course.

That's ok - I'll report your sig and it can get changed that way.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 1:05:39 PM

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And yet another troll post by the would be moderator Judge Dredd. You might make sure you report yourself for impersonating a moderator and telling others what they can and can't say here as well. No wait let me have the honors of doing that troll.

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RE: Civ 5 - 2/21/2010 2:10:05 PM

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Ppl from Scotland can defend themselfs

, but you should tone it down, killroy, really.

I don't know what your problem is, but you're collecting more troll-points than anyone else here, right now.
Judge asked you to drop the sig in a polite manner, actually, he didn't impersonate anyone or anything.
Use some common sense, read the forum rules, and then you'll know what's appropriate and what not:

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