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Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/2/2010 12:09:53 PM   
Miller


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As I understand it, you click on the pilot in question once to move him to "Group" reserve, then click on him again to move him to "General" reserve, thus allowing him to be assigned to another sqd.

However, in some units the second click gives only a "Return to Active status" option. Why is this?
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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/2/2010 1:01:33 PM   
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You need to add more pilots. It seems once the squad drops below a certain number of pilots you need to add more and then you can continue moving them to the reserve pool

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/2/2010 1:01:58 PM   
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Pilots in units that are due to be withdrawn can't be sent to "General" reserve, only to "Group" reserve.
Once in "Group" reserve, they can be assigned to another unit.

Hope this helps. 

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/2/2010 1:09:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joglinks1

You need to add more pilots. It seems once the squad drops below a certain number of pilots you need to add more and then you can continue moving them to the reserve pool

J


The number of pilots doesn't matter. The restriction is based on whether or not the unit is due to be withdrawn.

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/2/2010 1:27:48 PM   
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I'd like to know how you get pilots out of General Reserve into specific airgroups/squadrons.
Whenever I clik on 'Request Veteran', I am allowed to choose one & then he jsut seems to disappear into the ether.  Where do they go to?

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/2/2010 10:57:41 PM   
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It might have to do with withdrawal too but it definitely happens if you have too few pilots in a squadron. I've thought that you need one per plane or at least equal amount to max number of ready planes but I haven't checked.

When it happens to me I add one more pilot and then I can send the previous one to Reserve.

/BPRE

Sorry, just fired up the game and tested it. A squadron destined for withdrawal requires you to keep enough pilots for the maximum amount of ready planes but you can transfer the surplus to the Reserve pool.

You could always add another pilot with better/worse statistics and then switch out the one you want to move to the Reserve.


< Message edited by BPRE -- 2/2/2010 11:06:26 PM >

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/3/2010 4:32:44 PM   
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quote:

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I'd like to know how you get pilots out of General Reserve into specific airgroups/squadrons.
Whenever I clik on 'Request Veteran', I am allowed to choose one & then he jsut seems to disappear into the ether.  Where do they go to?


FYI , I find that if you request a pilot from "request veteran" then nothing happens to the pilot list for that squadron but the pilot vanishes from the veteran list. run the turn and check the pilots again and you'll most likey see the named pilot with a delay of (tends to be 6) days .. However DONT fill up on rookie pilots first as otherwise the puter might see the squadron as 'full' and send th requested vet back into the pools (witn additional delay) ..

In a nutshell .. Request vets .. end turn .. then check they are arriving .. then fill up with rookies and set to train till the vets turn up.

You can quite easily overfill a squadron with pilots in my experience and then the screen shows a pilot number of say 16(3) for a 12 plane sqdn .. those 3 in brackets are 3 too many so go into the pilot list and see who you want to keep and send 3 spares to the reserve. Usually the (3) have 1 day delays but ime if you click on them to become active the AI puts them back into inactive untill you clear up 3 places.

Can be fiddly , which is why i only ever micromanage units that are due to see combat soon or are begining a long training period. anything else can happily mooch along on thier own.

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/3/2010 4:52:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ckammp


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joglinks1

You need to add more pilots. It seems once the squad drops below a certain number of pilots you need to add more and then you can continue moving them to the reserve pool

J


The number of pilots doesn't matter. The restriction is based on whether or not the unit is due to be withdrawn.


Based on experience in my current game, I believe you're mistaken.

If a unit is due to be withdrawn and has a number of pilots equal to or lower than it's establishment strength then you can't send pilots to the general reserve (which makes sense, it stops players evading withdrawal by stripping pilots and planes). But if pilot strength is above establishment strength then the "send to general reserve" option becomes available. As air units can be "overstaffed" by around a third, the solution is therefore to add replacement pilots up to the maximum allowed, then send an equal number of trained pilots to general reserve, and repeat until all the pilots have been rotated. It's even more annoying and fiddly then the training process normally is, but it does work because I was doing it only yesterday.

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/3/2010 5:53:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Weston


quote:

ORIGINAL: ckammp


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joglinks1

You need to add more pilots. It seems once the squad drops below a certain number of pilots you need to add more and then you can continue moving them to the reserve pool

J


The number of pilots doesn't matter. The restriction is based on whether or not the unit is due to be withdrawn.


Based on experience in my current game, I believe you're mistaken.

If a unit is due to be withdrawn and has a number of pilots equal to or lower than it's establishment strength then you can't send pilots to the general reserve (which makes sense, it stops players evading withdrawal by stripping pilots and planes). But if pilot strength is above establishment strength then the "send to general reserve" option becomes available. As air units can be "overstaffed" by around a third, the solution is therefore to add replacement pilots up to the maximum allowed, then send an equal number of trained pilots to general reserve, and repeat until all the pilots have been rotated. It's even more annoying and fiddly then the training process normally is, but it does work because I was doing it only yesterday.


You are correct, if you "overstaff" a squadron due to be withdrawn, the option to send pilots to "General Reserve" appears.
However, in order for this to occur, you must completely fill-out the squadron with planes. In some cases, there are not enough planes being built/in the pool to do this to every squadron. For example: there are 5 squadrons of the 17thBG at Pendleton, all with B-25Bs. No B-25Bs are being produced, so it is impossible to fill-out these squadrons. In other cases, you front-line squadrons need the planes more than units being withdrawn. Thus, the ability to "overstaff" pilots is very limited.
Also, the number of pilots able to be transferred this way varies - I've had B-17 units "overstaffed" and only one pilot was able to be transferred, while in a P-40 unit there were 7 available.
At any rate, there is a far easier way to get pilots out of units being withdrawn. Instead of trying to put them into "General Reserve", just transfer them to "Group Reserve". Then transfer the pilot into a different squadron. This is especially helpful if you are training pilots in a specific skill, and want the pilot to go to a specific unit.


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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/3/2010 6:09:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ckammp

You are correct, if you "overstaff" a squadron due to be withdrawn, the option to send pilots to "General Reserve" appears.
However, in order for this to occur, you must completely fill-out the squadron with planes. In some cases, there are not enough planes being built/in the pool to do this to every squadron. For example: there are 5 squadrons of the 17thBG at Pendleton, all with B-25Bs. No B-25Bs are being produced, so it is impossible to fill-out these squadrons. In other cases, you front-line squadrons need the planes more than units being withdrawn. Thus, the ability to "overstaff" pilots is very limited.
Also, the number of pilots able to be transferred this way varies - I've had B-17 units "overstaffed" and only one pilot was able to be transferred, while in a P-40 unit there were 7 available.
At any rate, there is a far easier way to get pilots out of units being withdrawn. Instead of trying to put them into "General Reserve", just transfer them to "Group Reserve". Then transfer the pilot into a different squadron. This is especially helpful if you are training pilots in a specific skill, and want the pilot to go to a specific unit.


Well fair enough, I hadn't noticed the need to be full of planes as well, I guess my training groups all already were. Now early war Japan seems to have a surplus of obsolete aircraft to "downgrade" training groups to. Can the Americans manage the same thing with those B-25 squadrons? Downgrade two or three to another model freeing up enough planes to fill out the remaining units?

I can see the value of transferring directly out of Group Reserve in a training squadron, but I'm not sure I'm going to remember the right squadron names to transfer from (not, at least, without a lot tedious jumping around the map)!

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RE: Removing pilots from training groups to reserve - 2/3/2010 6:34:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Weston


quote:

ORIGINAL: ckammp

You are correct, if you "overstaff" a squadron due to be withdrawn, the option to send pilots to "General Reserve" appears.
However, in order for this to occur, you must completely fill-out the squadron with planes. In some cases, there are not enough planes being built/in the pool to do this to every squadron. For example: there are 5 squadrons of the 17thBG at Pendleton, all with B-25Bs. No B-25Bs are being produced, so it is impossible to fill-out these squadrons. In other cases, you front-line squadrons need the planes more than units being withdrawn. Thus, the ability to "overstaff" pilots is very limited.
Also, the number of pilots able to be transferred this way varies - I've had B-17 units "overstaffed" and only one pilot was able to be transferred, while in a P-40 unit there were 7 available.
At any rate, there is a far easier way to get pilots out of units being withdrawn. Instead of trying to put them into "General Reserve", just transfer them to "Group Reserve". Then transfer the pilot into a different squadron. This is especially helpful if you are training pilots in a specific skill, and want the pilot to go to a specific unit.


Well fair enough, I hadn't noticed the need to be full of planes as well, I guess my training groups all already were. Now early war Japan seems to have a surplus of obsolete aircraft to "downgrade" training groups to. Can the Americans manage the same thing with those B-25 squadrons? Downgrade two or three to another model freeing up enough planes to fill out the remaining units?

I can see the value of transferring directly out of Group Reserve in a training squadron, but I'm not sure I'm going to remember the right squadron names to transfer from (not, at least, without a lot tedious jumping around the map)!



"Downgrading" is an option, and I have used it, but again there is the limited number of planes available. The Allies don't have very many in the pools, and by the time the production starts to really kick-in (1943), it's too late. Most of the Allied withdraws are in early/mid 1942. Japan has both bigger at-start pools and a better ability to produce planes in the early years of the game so "downgrading" is a better option for Japan.

And transferring pilots to the right squadron is easy. Once the pilots are in "Group Reserve", they are available for the "Select Veteran" option. So simply put the pilot in "Group Reserve", then use "Select Veteran" with the squadron you want the pilot to go to. Basically, decide which squadron you want to add pilots to, then select the pilots.

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